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Noble Realms → Spirituality and Metaphysics → Do you know love?
Is sex love?
Love is god. Self love: love of essence, not love of image.
Can you love others if you don't know and love yourself first?
Can love be intellectualized?
...just a starter...
Is sex love?
No. Sex can bring happiness. Love can bring joy.
Love is god
No. Love isn't all knowing. But it doesn't matter. Love is.
Can love be intellectualized?
I just did. 
But not completely.
It's impossible to love what you do not know... the best you can get is an approximation, or an idea of loving. A mental reality that doesn't quite make it fully true or real. So you must know something to truly love it. And to know something you must experience it. To experience something is to become intimate with it. Once intimate you cannot help but recognize yourself as that something, and with this recognition a homecoming is felt.
And once you are "at home" with this something once seemingly separate and unknown to you, you remember, if only briefly, who you truly are. You remember that you are love. And as such gave birth to that separate-seeming something, made it borne of the love you are. And then forgot... so you could remember, when you finally chose to become intimate with that something again and bring it back home, that you and it are the same. Love incarnate.
Though our clarity in perceiving ourselves may be fleeting, love - the essence of who we are - is all knowing. It's the only thing that is.
But that's alright because its everything.
So the only difficulty is in our ability to SEE or perceive... everything. But that comes through experiencing... so dare to experience everything. And there you are. Right at home, love.
It's impossible to love what you do not know
But I've never really known the ones I've loved. I tried to and I thought I did but I was proved wrong. Sometimes love is, that's all.
To clarify a common term meant in an uncommon way...
If you meet another from within your heart, and love flows freely, it can be said that you know them. Even if they don't know themselves, which is quite common here. Knowing is not an intellectual knowledge of a personality living in a temporary reality with inevitable difficulties, it is a resonance of essence. A unifying in loving oneness, however brief.
In our hearts we already know (love) all we might ever meet. Acknowledging that, realizing it in our present state of consciousness, is a beautiful experience of truth... whether for a moment or for a lifetime.
From Nisargadatta: when I see myself in everybody, and everybody in myself, that most certainly is love.
Love is....
a comfortable fit between friends
a pair of socks that warms your heart
a tender feeling that overwhelms fear
a courage to live enormously
an act of giving
an act of receiving
responding when you could easily ignore
listening when you could easily speak
asking why someone is crying
asking why the world is lying
asking why the world is dying
beautifully abundant
free
~~carefulcarpenter
From Nisargadatta: when I see myself in everybody, and everybody in myself, that most certainly is love.
That's compassion. More difficult than love.
If you meet another from within your heart, and love flows freely, it can be said that you know them. Even if they don't know themselves, which is quite common here. Knowing is not an intellectual knowledge of a personality living in a temporary reality with inevitable difficulties, it is a resonance of essence. A unifying in loving oneness, however brief.
No. Love flowing out is an incomplete circuit. Plato was right; in some ways we're dyads needing another to complete us. Or not.
My mistake, starling, apologies. If that's how you see it... then that's how it is. It's all good.
Sowelu, I feel your love. Thank you for sharing.
I don't know if intellectualizing love makes any sense, but this proof is something that came to me in a dream. I hope someone can help me understand it better. My heart feels it's truth, and my mind ponders, yet cannot grasp it the way my heart seems to.
Test this with a self-described mind experiment
Proof (This may take a lifetime to prove)
LoVe=god
lack of self LoVe=evil
TRUTH=1
truth A=higher love(enlightenment)
truth B=lower love(sex)truth A+ god A
____________________ =1truth B+(god B-1)
1+1=1
~~carefulcarpenter
My mistake, starling, apologies. If that's how you see it... then that's how it is. It's all good.
Sowelu, no apols necessary. Maybe you've evolved to where you can be a pure source. Super.
Titmouse_, maybe you'll have another dream that'll explain.
Sowelu wrote:My mistake, starling, apologies. If that's how you see it... then that's how it is. It's all good.
Sowelu, no apols necessary. Maybe you've evolved to where you can be a pure source. Super.
Titmouse_, maybe you'll have another dream that'll explain.
Yes starling, I believe Sowelu has evolved. I prefer the term awakened, myself.
I think back to the dream that revealed this formula and I have pondered and read for 4 years to discover the relarionship between truth and love. I have presented the argument for 1+1=1 on another website where college age people discuss spirituality and philosophy. No one could comprehend the concept of Oneness. I hope some here on this board can comment.
I believe 1+1=1 represents wholeness. Kind of a no-brainer, I suppose.
Please comment.
1+1=1
The Mind is infinite. There is nothing the Mind cannot dream of. Of course, it is infinite in potential but infinite none-the-less.
The Universe is infinite. There is nothing that cannot exist. Of course, it is in potential but still infinite.
If two things are infinite then what is the difference?
(1 + 1 = 1) = (∞ + ∞ = ∞) = All is One
Love is the unconditional allowance, acceptance, understanding, and appreciation of all that was, is, and will be.
Love the infinite, eternally. Love the eternal, infinitely.
1+1=1
The Mind is infinite. There is nothing the Mind cannot dream of. Of course, it is infinite in potential but infinite none-the-less.
The Universe is infinite. There is nothing that cannot exist. Of course, it is in potential but still infinite.
If two things are infinite then what is the difference?
(1 + 1 = 1) = (∞ + ∞ = ∞) = All is One
Love is the unconditional allowance, acceptance, understanding, and appreciation of all that was, is, and will be.
Love the infinite, eternally. Love the eternal, infinitely.
Nice way of putting it. Infinite; eternal.
Can you feel a relationship between truth and love? I know that this can be taken from many points of reference. In the formula there appears to be a relationship outside of time--a timelessness.
The term 'god' is so subjective. Many labels can be used here. I used 'god' because of the subjective nature to the term. I could have used 'it', etc. Mostly I believe it stands for a subjective perception of love; each individual relating by one's own experience of it. To a mathmetician it may imply one thing; to a philosopher another; to a poet... etc. I cannot define 'truth' or 'god' or 'love' for anyone, because words defy the sense of what is trying to be understood. I have a hard time putting words to any of this, yet I feel the greater TRUTH.
Any help you can add is appreciated. Maybe 'appreciation' is a term that conveys some of the meaning here. Can we appreciate love and truth in any shared way in the human condition?
It seems that in an infinite potential, all things would "Be". Thus all things are truth for that part of the infinite mind that believes it so.
If there was to be one Truth I would have to name it Infinite, or Love, or One. I think that's what you are reaching for in your words. That ineffible feeling of knowingness without thought. I don't see anything wrong with labelling that Infinite Love...as Truth. As long as one accepts all other parts of the One as truth, also. To deny, or disallow even in thought, any part of the whole seems to be (to me) denying an aspect of the infinite creator. It would be putting a limit on what is limitless. For with infinity why not allow everything to exist and everyone to explore whatever it is they wish to. That's the way I see it anyway. It's not the easiest thing to put into application given our human programs we were entrained with from birth, but I do try my best.
I do see "appreciation" as coming closer to that spiritual level of love. The words I used were kind of the order I see it progressing into. Allowance and acceptance seem to be close to the same in this context. After which you would gain understanding because you have allowed that something else to exist within you. That understanding would then lead to appreciation. After that it basically becomes apart of you and no longer appears as separate. You would own that which before appeared separate. It may be someone's personality or someone's personal truth. That doesn't mean it's the 'right' thing for you in the moment but you still have allowed it thus expanding yourself.
Maybe the feeling of Love would be the feeling of that ever expanding self that wishes to include all that one comes into contact with.
To answer your last question I would say Yes, sort of. Unfortunately, it's a lonely road. As for being shared, there are few that wish to be at that level of allowance of all that one experiences. Who I trully am is rarely accepted by others. I have to basically go to whatever point someone else is at in order for them to see me as a friend. When I am trully myself it seems a vacuum is created between me and another person. I have to be the one to transverse that vacuum to where they are. I suppose they do appreciate the effort. It seems though, that is as far as it usually goes on their part.
Not sure if I actually addressed your questions. It's quite an ambigious topic when attempting to define it with our words.
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