Topic: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

The whole crux of 2012 centers around the idea that Earth on winter solstice 2012 will be in alignment with the center of the Milky Way galaxy, and that's when poof, magical things will happen and the planet will ascend.

First off....X!  I don't think so.  My personal opinion but I don't believe in mass overnight ascension, it's  new age disinformation.  But secondly, and most importantly, the entire foundation of this 2012 belief just may in fact be based on false information.

The galactic alignment supposedly already occurred.  Back in 1998.  Here's the article and diagrams that I just came across today:

http://www.alignment2012.com/whatisGA.htm

I can't verify if this is true, however, I find this particularly interesting only because both myself and somebody else independently had concluded several years ago - before knowing anything about this supposed 1998 galactic alignment - that it seems something in society/mass culture "died" by 1998.   1997 to 1998 was the swan song, goodbye.  But yeah, I had pinpointed that after 1998, pretty much anything put out in mass culture was just a recycled version of whatever had come before, and that anything truly new and innovative had ceased.  There was no true unique "sound of now" within music for instance....the music today is no different from how anything sounded 10 years ago, and there is no defining characteristics of this time period/era, the way there always had been in years past.  It's all recycled recycled and more recycled.  In fact, it was like reality seemed to hit a stagnant wall.

This is also when the "question reality" movies started hitting the scene.  In 1998 we had "Dark City"....followed by The Truman Show, ('98) The Matrix, ('99) eXistenZ, ('99) The Thirteenth Floor, ('99) and so on, all conveying a message that things are not what they seem to be.............time to wake up.   And this is when many people also started to have their awakening periods.  1998 and 1999, you hear it a lot.

I don't know...I just think this is something to consider.  I know that 2012 isn't what we're told it is, and in my opinion mass amounts of people are being led astray by the new age movement trying to convince them of all kinds of who knows what.  (insert new age lingo here.) 

If this article is true, then we're already IN the "big moment."  And that's exactly WHY we have so much weirdness going on in reality, as noted all around Noble Realms in dozens of threads.  Glitches, synchronicities, numbers, deja vus, time loop memories, fluid reality, the feeling of surrealness and society lacking that real and true life vibe it used to have.   But too many people are still focused intently on "2012!  2012!  2012!" chanting it like a mantra that they're missing the fact that it's already happening.  Right now.  Just look around.  Maybe that's why so many of those movies I've noted on my websites reiterate the phrase "Open your eyes."   

So, what if we're in fact in some sort of "in between" stage.  The alignment has already happened and now we're in flux.  Maybe it's a crucial time when things can go in many different directions, and that's why we see so much dark, demonic crap being featured in pop culture and why so many things have taken such a dark and hard edged turn.   Could be the "dark stuff" trying to get in its last hurrah and turn as many people over towards that as possible, who knows.  Sounds so "Constantine" doesn't it? wink  So biblical.   haha   But who knows, maybe that's why we see this in society right now. 

Random thoughts on very cold and icy Sunday night!

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Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

I wrote something lately that evoqued a bit and goes quite along with your basic saying in your last post, Lyra.

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 949#p50949

Steiner talked about 1998. It's 666 times three. Ahriman's incarnation is supposed to have been around this time. But he also said elsewhere that 'just before a part of the third millenium will have elapsed, Ahriman will be incarnate". So it maybe later in the third millenium.

there are A LOT of anthroposophical articles about 1998.  Just try a google search on "1998 Steiner" or "19998 Ahriman" or "1998 boardman" (Terry M. Boardman is an anthroposophist who wrote on the subject), etc.

I suspect also the great solar eclipse of august 11th 1999. In such an eclipse, dark forces come out of the dark to invade our world.

A French anthroposophist Christian Lazarides, along with Nicolaas de Jong, pointed out this fact about august 1999 great solar eclipse.

3 (edited by wandering1 2007-01-21 23:48:39)

Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

Yes, I have seen other places that there was an alignment in 1998 of the Earth with the Galactic Center.  I think that John Jenkins has been one of the main popularizing the idea that this physical alignment is a major thing that will happen in 2012.

Here is my synthesis on how I see the various ideas and theories around the 2011-2012 period.  I suggest these as possibilities.  I do not insist that the possibilities are true.  Rather, if there is something to them, then this is what that something may be.  Earth’s relation to other objects in the solar system and galaxy may have an effect on earth.  For example, the earth’s movement around the sun has an effect on seasonal change.

I think that the earth and solar system may also be part of a larger field effect which is caused by the movement in relation to some of the larger objects in the galaxy.  The center of the galaxy may be one factor, other stars and systems in the neighborhood of the earth may be another.

I think that we may be still moving into a field effect and the effects of moving into that field may be still increasing.  I do not think that the change is over. 

So what are the effects?  The main one I feel is a sense that time is speeding up and a feeling that more is happening in less time.  Other people may feel this as well and also have additional observations – for example increased precognition or increased telepathy.

The idea is that these observations may be a result of an increased frequency which is the result of a field effect.  Some sources indicate that there may be a threshold, and beyond that threshold, the Earth may find itself "moved up a level"  and what we see so far may only be hints of what it is like to live at a higher level of consciousness.  I do see each of use as part of the process.  I see human consciousness as directly related to the consciousness of the earth.

I do not see this threshold change as an automatic process – rather a participatory process.

Enjoy the ride.  :-)

Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

lyra wrote:

But yeah, I had pinpointed that after 1998, pretty much anything put out in mass culture was just a recycled version of whatever had come before, and that anything truly new and innovative had ceased.  There was no true unique "sound of now" within music for instance....the music today is no different from how anything sounded 10 years ago, and there is no defining characteristics of this time period/era, the way there always had been in years past.  It's all recycled recycled and more recycled.  In fact, it was like reality seemed to hit a stagnant wall.

I remember thinking about this quite a few years back.  The 80's, 70's and 60's had their identity, their own style.  The music, the fashion etc.  Hippies, punks, yuppies etc.  Since then it has all become about a variation on themes of hip-hop, gangsta look, and hoodies.  So yeah stagnant would fit.

Seems to me that style and identity has been replaced by technology; it is quite an Ahrimanic tone to our society.  1998 would probably be around when that happened.  Interesting that a galactic alignement could have happened at that time.  Also let’s not forget that 1996-1998 was when Internet use in the home really started to take off…

Currently there is a lot of divergence going on within our culture, each segment seemingly going their own way.

I watched the movie "Idiocracy" a few days ago – in a sense it is a great depiction of an utterly stagnant society.  I think that is probably where one of the branches of our diverging society is heading.  But it’s not where we are all heading.

I don’t see how 2012 really fits into anything though.  That’s not to say there isn’t anything to it – but just that I personally haven’t seen anything concrete about the whole idea.  The only thing that really seems to have any substance is that 2012 is the end of the Mayan calendar.  And really that could mean absolutely anything…

5 (edited by z3n3rg 2007-01-22 04:30:44)

Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

Weird.  Your post reminded me of a site I read many years ago.  The site is strange and doesn't necessarily fit.  That's why it's weird that I was reminded of it.  Plus it uses the year 1993.  Anyway, it took me a bit to re-locate it again.  Here it is.

I do agree with the premise of your post.  I feel the time to pull it all together has been (and is) Now.  Meaning that it's been time and still is.  Maybe 2012 is a cut off date of some sort.  I don't know.  But I'm working on continued solidification of what I do know.  Or at least what I think I know.

6 (edited by ontrack24 2007-01-22 07:04:50)

Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

Well, I for one believe there is something to 2012. New Age sources aren't the only ones talking about it, so it's not due to that I take this idea seriously. Now mind you I don't think it's about some "end of the world" scenario, but more a... humm, don't like to use it but, new age. Probably related to some form of collapse of the current capitalist world system.
The mayan calendar really has some things going for it, I guess most of you've seen that video presentation of the concept by Ian Xel Lungold? It's available on Google video. He tells how the calendar actually measures certain *non-physical* cycles and not the typical measurement of time, like the earths revolving around our sun.

As I understand it, the calendar can in fact be used to measure a grander system of time - galactic or even universal systems of time relates to it like a system of cogwheels (and ultimately, some form of non-physical/above-physical understanding of time).

You're talking about "the time being Now" and such, I think what you're feeling is the energy build-up occuring as we *approach* that time. Like the mayan calendar says, time will seem to change (sort of "speed up") as we're nearing 2012. As we get close to it, sooner or later the same relative amount of development and change (relating to CONSCIOUSNESS, the only real important thing we experience) will occur in about 20 days, as did in more than a BILLION years in the first grand age defined by the mayan calendar - of course we will feel like "big things are going on" when things start to change this fast.

Much more I could say about this, but I don't feel like writing a lot right now. There's real indications that there's something to the 2012 thing, but it's nothing like some sources speculate, be it end-of-the-world scenarios, earth stopping its spin before starting to go the other directions, and stuff like that. At least I don't think so. Some people just fantasize too much...

Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

ontrack24 wrote:

Well, I for one believe there is something to 2012.

I personally don't, and it's going to be very interesting to see what happens to all the believers if 2012 comes and goes and the nothing happens.  It reminds me of the 2004 election.   So many democrats truly believed that John Kerry could actually win the election.  There were John Kerry signs on front lawns, John Kerry marches downtown where we lived.  And I just sat on the sidelines shaking my head wondering what those poor people were going to do after Bush won.  Not if he won.  But when he won.  I don't support any mainstream politics, but that was a no brainer to call.   There was no way in hell TPTB would have allowed Kerry to have the election.   Bush the Puppet wasn't done fulfilling his agenda.  And sure enough, crushing disappointment ensued post-election with the naively hopeful democrats.  I feel like with 2012 it's going to be the same thing.    But maybe it will be a learning lesson or something for people, I don't know.



ontrack24 wrote:

You're talking about "the time being Now" and such, I think what you're feeling is the energy build-up occuring as we *approach* that time.

Well I do believe it's *now.*  Not a build up.  It's already happening.  I don't know about you, but I already seem to be in the middle of something.  Something that's been going on for several years now.

Also keep in mind that the calendar we're going by, the Gregorian, is supposed to be off by a few years.   And this is another big point to bring up with regards to 1998/2012. Because the thing that people are taking for granted is that our calendar is accurate in terms of "when we are" and thus, would match up to the Mayans' 2012.   The researcher Goro Adachi takes the calendar inaccuracies into effect when figuring out when things will line up and when stuff is supposed to happen, finding correlations not only with the calendar we use, but with the "adjusted" version as well.  So, is it really "2007" ?  Apparently it may not be, and I wonder how that would play into the whole 2012 thing, if at all.   I'm just kind of weird in that I don't fully trust anything we're told about anything anymore.  From what "year" we are in to everything else. Everything seems to not be what we think it is.  !!!   

I was interested in researching the calendar thing several years ago but never got off the ground with that.  If anybody happens to know of any links offhand regarding problems with our calendar and wants to post them that would be appreciated.  If not I'm going to try to look into it again, see what I can dig up.


wandering1 wrote:

I think that we may be still moving into a field effect and the effects of moving into that field may be still increasing.  I do not think that the change is over.....

Good point....neither do I.  I don't mean to convey the idea that whatever was/is going to happen has already happened and the show's over. But rather, 1998 may have been when the actual "alignment" occured that was supposed to happen on 2012, (but again, our calendar is screwed up, nothing is what we think it is, blah blah blah, etc. and so on, haha)  and that ushered in the end of things in our society, and so what we're experiencing now wouldn't be the build UP to an event that has yet to happen, as ontrack believes, but rather, just the ongoing energy ("field effect" maybe, as you say) of an event that already occurred.

   

druid wrote:

I wrote something lately that evoqued a bit and goes quite along with your basic saying in your last post, Lyra.

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 949#p50949

Steiner talked about 1998. It's 666 times three. Ahriman's incarnation is supposed to have been around this time. But he also said elsewhere that 'just before a part of the third millenium will have elapsed, Ahriman will be incarnate". So it maybe later in the third millenium.

there are A LOT of anthroposophical articles about 1998.  Just try a google search on "1998 Steiner" or "19998 Ahriman" or "1998 boardman" (Terry M. Boardman is an anthroposophist who wrote on the subject), etc.

I suspect also the great solar eclipse of august 11th 1999. In such an eclipse, dark forces come out of the dark to invade our world.

A French anthroposophist Christian Lazarides, along with Nicolaas de Jong, pointed out this fact about august 1999 great solar eclipse.

Thanks for the info. Druid!

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Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

I understand where you're coming from lyra, and I've been into some of the same things/info you're relating here, myself. The thing is, there is *as far as I can gather* no error in the 2012 thing, the reason being that there's been developed a "conversion system" between our calendar and the mayan one - in cooperation with mayan shamans/elders, who approved of the accuracy of this conversion system. This way, it does not matter if the gregorian calendar is off by a few years or not, as we are using the *current gregorian* and translating it into a correct mayan date/time. So, that pretty much rules out that - noting, of course, the possibility that the mayans were wrong. If they weren't, there is no error in the 2012 date.

By the way, I would like to mention that I believe the mayans in some way or form relates to our current "western" mystical societies, i.e. the secret societies like freemasons. This, if true, would further add to the possibility that there's something to all this calendar business (the ancient forerunners of todays masonry, by some referred to as "the builders," were also the originators of the zodiac and astrology). One of the reasons I believe this, is, quite simply, the name - M'AYANS, M-"EYE"-ANS. It is sooo very typical of those ppl to add "funny" clues like that, hidden in plain sight as its called.

When it comes to the fact that our gregorian calendar is a few years off, that is true indeed, but - no offense - did you actually think I have never heard of that? Anyway I have, and from some of the personal research I've conducted, the gregorian calendar seems to be a "skewed" version (by the catholic church) of what is commonly called the ethiopian calendar ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_calendar ). One thing funny about that calendar, is that it has as its new year (currently - and from 1900 to 2099) September 11th, with the exception of their leap years. Currently we're in 1999 according to this calendar, and 2012 will be 2004/2005. September 11th 2001 was in the year (94/)1995 according to this calendar <- notice that? 2001 was 94/95, 2012 will be 04/05. In addition, the ethiopian 2004/2005(2012) will be, numerologically, 6+7=13 which is the most special number in the mayan calendar, or as it will be in december 2012, 2005 which is 7, the holy number often associated with God himself. And not to forget that 2012 can be seen as 23 (2 and 1+2=3), the number even discussed here on NR as a special number, and a number that numerologically is also extracted from 9/11: 9+11+2+001=23. As you yourself mention Goro Adachi, which I follow myself, I bet you are familiar with his oft-mentioned "echo" theories...... Well, I think I see a lot of "echoes" going on here, and this isn't even all of it.

It's a long story to explain why this ethiopian calendar is - probably - the "correct" year and calendar, but suffice it to say that Ethiopia truly is a more holy land than most people are aware of, and that the Vatican made the gregorian and managed to establish it as our main calendar for quite negative, egotistical, reasons. It's probably also no coincidence that around World War 1, Italy (Rome/Vatican) made a serious attempt to annex and occupy Ethiopia. The ethiopian calendar is based on the older Alexandrian or Coptic calendar, which is based on the even older Egyptian calendar...

9 (edited by z3n3rg 2007-01-22 16:56:38)

Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

Here's my whole thing with it.  I'm over cycles.  I just don't like them.  Never really did.  The normal working life is a mini cycle of 24 hours.  8 hours of work, time it takes to get to and from work, sleep, etc.  It's a hamster wheel.  Then you have the weekly cycle of 5 days work and 2 days leisure (talking from an american perspective).  There's two repeating cycles already.  Then you have your bills, due every month.  Another cycle.  Cycles within cycles.  It's enough to drive an insane man sane.  Then you have the holidays/birthday to remind you that you are still in a yearly cycle too.  Blah!  For me, I say enough.  I'm all for getting rid of the calanders and watches.  I really don't care how long it takes the earth to rotate or revolve.  All that matters to me is Now.  And that "Now" can be anytime I become lucid in this dream.  Every moment is Now.

Cycles, to me, represent imprisonment.  Whether they be daily cycles or galactic level cycles.  To use a football analogy from Feritciva's thread, I'm looking at the ball not the clock.  The clock may say it's the 2 minute warning but anyone that has watched enough football knows the game is usually won or lost before that 2 minute countdown starts.  Also, I can't be sure the clock is even correct in this case and if it is there's no real way to tell what it means.  I got to this point by simply reading the huge amount of 2012 predictions out there (and well any predictions really).  They are unreliable in almost all cases.  Especially, when it's dealing with a particular time table.  2012 may or may not mean anything.  But either way it doesn't matter because I'm working on Now.

I do think that's the point Lyra was trying to make too.  If we wait for the 2 minute warning or our last time out we may have waited too long.  Again for me, I forget about the dates and concentrate on Now.  And tomorrow will be Now when/if it comes so then I will still be concentrating on Now.  And 2012 will be Now when/if it comes.  And 2032 will be Now when/if it comes. 

And if Georgian don't like it he can take it up with my complaint department.  It's closed right now though because I'm sitting on it.  http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8126/clownsx5.gif

10 (edited by ontrack24 2007-01-22 20:07:00)

Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

z3n3rg,
You're definitively quite right with that one. Only, with some small corrections, in my opinion, see below.

I for one, don't even carry a clock, and like not having it (though I occasionally use clocks found here and there for timing, I guess it's unavoidable in the current system and world)

The thing is that the cycles you're talking about is ALL related to our current timing system. You may not realize this yourself, but it's true. It is TODAY'S calendar and timing system, that makes these "cycle" things seem "evil" for certain people (the more aware of us). CYCLES/SPIRALS are *not* intrinsically evil, it is evil due to the distortion introduced by the material, physical, non-spiritual focus of the timing system our entire earth civilization uses today. Everything is based on cycles, or NOT REALLY cycles, but in reality, SPIRALS that when seen from above, may look like a circle, but seen from the side reveals it's nature as always-evolving spirals. The point we are at now corresponds with the point below and above us, it has certain similarities, but is yet not the same.
Always-repeating cycles and hamster wheels are most certainly an illusion of the deranged "neg" part of existance, which is what consciousness is NOW working on restoring and "fixing," so to say.
Cycles are not intrinsically evil except to the degree they are measured in non-spiritual ways, which our civilization currently does (measuring the earths travel path around our sun)

This is also explained well in the video with Ian Xel Lungold, have you seen it? To put it bluntly, it does not seem like it.
Here is part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 1090121097
and here, part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 8148516232
I suggest you - and all others who haven't seen it, have a look. But please pay attention and try to be a little open-minded. The guy may seem a little strange, he did to me too, but the points he makes are for the most part so correct I could not find much fault with it, with only some small exceptions. The info about the calendar seems very much on point.

Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

I'm not coming at this from a judgement of "evil".  I recognize the cycles as being step ups on the spiral of spiritual evolution IF one chooses that vs choosing to regress.  I'm not taking anything away from the evolution.  But I'm still over it.  The whole spiral exists in the ever-present Now moment.  All steps.  All points.  From that perspective, (and with the right spiritual tools) one should then be able to choose any point on the spiral including the Omega Point.  Instead of taking the slow route one should be able to end the game with one (non-linear) master stroke.  That master stroke must happen from the Now.  It can't happen when one sees the spiral as THE means of growth.  An analogy would be taking a car up a mountain twisting around and around until reaching the summit VS taking a helicopter straight to the top.  The mountain exists in it's completeness within the Now.  Take a car and you'll only see what is in front of you and behind you.  Take a helicopter and a NEW view comes into focus.

12 (edited by sinaptix 2007-01-23 04:01:32)

Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

Maybe 2012 is a deadline? You people over there on earth need to get your shit together or else!!! Looking at things from an ecological perspective, population growth is going exponential, resource mismanagement, and global warming. I just watched Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth, and one of the charts he shows a correlation between CO2 levels and temperature rise and fall. The projection for near future look like a massive brick wall. It looks like we're charging ahead full steam to a crash. Maybe this is the ultimatum before we incure serious consequences collectively as humans still alive here ... 1998 +/- 18 years fudge factor. I am starting to have a little doubt that humans will make it much farther. Maybe collectively the crash is inevitable, but then I was also thinking on an individual level hmmm, ...reminded me of the end of Pan's Labyrinth and I didn't want to off hand spoil it for anybody that hasn't seen it... maybe something like that?

Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

z3n3rg wrote:

I'm not coming at this from a judgement of "evil".  I recognize the cycles as being step ups on the spiral of spiritual evolution IF one chooses that vs choosing to regress.  I'm not taking anything away from the evolution.  But I'm still over it.  The whole spiral exists in the ever-present Now moment.  All steps.  All points.  From that perspective, (and with the right spiritual tools) one should then be able to choose any point on the spiral including the Omega Point.  Instead of taking the slow route one should be able to end the game with one (non-linear) master stroke.  That master stroke must happen from the Now.  It can't happen when one sees the spiral as THE means of growth.  An analogy would be taking a car up a mountain twisting around and around until reaching the summit VS taking a helicopter straight to the top.  The mountain exists in it's completeness within the Now.  Take a car and you'll only see what is in front of you and behind you.  Take a helicopter and a NEW view comes into focus.

OK - I have posted a lot of nutty stuff in the past, but the following really is quite twee, but I feel an urge to post it, especially with the synchronicities in this thread.  Last night I was thinking a lot about the concept that we are travelling backwards in time, and I was trying to make some kind of sense of it. I was still in this mindset when I took the dog for a walk, late evening. I began to have a conversation with myself, but it wasnt the usual format, this was loud and clear, like a transmission. I actually looked at the skies and thought (well go on then - 'decloak'), and the voice said, 'I wouldnt invite those type into your life, leave that for other people to dabble in. I'm not from outer space, I am you, from the future, not a spaceman.'  The conversation went on for a while, basically it was me from the future, existing in a higher dimension, and that really whacked me out, I was saying that everything is fine and going to plan, and that there is nothing to worry about.  But the next part , I seemed to want to share with other people, so when I got back home I wrote it all down. I thought I'd sleep on it, and when I read it again in the morning, I really did feel it was quite twee, but this thread  .. OK - mad or not here goes..

"You are being moved backwards (and forwards) in time. It is important to focus on the NOW, stop going on wild goose chases into the past, or speculating on the golden egg in the future.
Stop time by focussing on the NOW. Stop time and stop time manipulation. Stop time and END time.
Don't worry about ending time. You are all immortal. This game should have been over long ago, you are in a time loop, dwelling in the past or living in the future. Live in the NOW. Freeze NOW. Become free. Stop time. This is my message to you. I love you. Please."

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Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

http://forum.noblerealms.org/img/avatars/1209.gif said:
I suggest you - and all others who haven't seen it, have a look. But please pay attention and try to be a little open-minded. The guy may seem a little strange, he did to me too, but the points he makes are for the most part so correct I could not find much fault with it, with only some small exceptions. The info about the calendar seems very much on point.

Great video. Yeah, the guy does seem a bit strange, but the analysis is fascinating.

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Re: The galactic alignment of 2012 already happened......In 1998.

Blue, I understand what you went through I've had somewhat similar experiences. Once my higher/future/whole self what have you told me quite clearly: Don't define just be. It's said a lot more since that day when I was just a little kid. Anyway I too have had too many strange interactions with other parts of myself to count.