Topic: Masturbation

Hey folks,

I've been lurking for a while, and now I'm ready to post my own thread. I have some things to discuss that I don't see dealt with very often. Things that to me seem pretty important.

Perhaps this is a strange topic for my first post, but what the hell. In my mind masturbation (porn) and forums are two hallmarks of the web, so I might as well bring it up here.

There is no doubt that there is a great deal of power in sexual energy. The passions and desires and conditioning associated with it drives so much of our day-to-day existence. It can guide what we seek, how we judge people (sexy, not sexy?), our priorities, and it especially affects our sexual relationships. Even before the advent of pornographic media sex has been a very confusing and important issue for humans... they say prostitution is the oldest profession, and it seems that a great deal of religious morality is a matter of organizing sexual energy.

Sexual energy might be considered the very essence of etheric energy within humans, the storage and conduction of vast amounts of 'chi'. There are reasons why priests are meant to be celibate (celibate doesn't just mean no sex - it can also mean no ejaculation) and there have always been esoteric sects that focused on harnessing and making use of sex energy. There is just so much to do about sex energy... Taoist sex practices, buddhist tantra, kundalini, etc.

When I was a young teenager and first discovered how to manually relieve myself I was immediately aware that I had lost something after masturbating too much. If I masturbated early in the morning, or too often throughout the week, I could feel the 'magic' of life just drain out. My romantic ideals and the energies in my body just sort of dispersed, gone. With the surging hormones of adolescence and my culture telling my masturbation is 'good', I of course kept on doing it. I tried to keep it cool, but more often than not would ruin my day or week by overdoing it.

As the internet got faster (and I moved into my own room) I started masturbating to pornography on the internet more and more. There are certainy a lot of psychological reprecussions to associating sex with porn, but I wont get into that here. As the years passed and I masturbated more because of neuroses and addiction, I began really struggling with porn, masturbation, and sexuality. My addiction to porn and masturbation was costing me a great deal of vital energy, and it ruined a few relationships. (I'm sure a lot of guys can relate to this... for some reason getting 'bored' with one's partner and seeking excitement in virtual land.) A debacherous masturbation session always puts my two lower chakras out of commision, somtimes for days. There were really important days full of opportunity and synchronistic opportunities that were totally squandered because I had lost my essence to...

the COMPUTER.

Throughout my struggle against this demon I came to see very clearly that masturbating to pornographic images, especially on the computer, was much worse than other kinds of masturbation. Obviously what one is thinking during orgasm directions the flow of energy. By focusing on the computer and the images inside of it I was literally pouring my most important energy into it. If entities can consume 'loosh' created by negative emotions, than I'm sure there are entities that can consume the valuable sexual energy expelled during orgasm. Skilled lovers can do it, and so can the computer matrix. Think of the millions of people wanking off in front of the computer every day, how much sexual energy is spent. It's astonishing. (BTW, the 'computer matrix' is something I'd like to discuss more).

Over years of constant struggle, I've finally gotten a pretty good handle on the porn thing. I rarely look at it, and when I do I don't climax. It still is better not to even look at it, because I notice that if I 'involve' my sexual energies with pornographic images I am mixing my energy with it, and if I don't ejaculate than that energy goes back into my system, which is very polluting. Ideally I would never engage with pornography, and I would have only the occasional well-intentioned orgasm.

If you can relate to this all, I have a technique men might try to purify their system of the fucked-up shit they've mixed into their sexual energy by using pornography. First of all, you must save your seed for some time, at least a week. When first experimenting with this method you may do whatever you want with your penis, as long as you don't ejaculate. As your sexual energy builds, try to be aware of how it sits in your second shakra, and circulates through your system. It helps to know about energy systems, but it's enough to know that sexualy energ can travel from your genitals down to your perenium (the 'chode', if you will) and then to your cocyx, and up your spine, into your crown, spilling down through your face and into your chest, back down to abdomen. It's okay if you don't really feel the route of this energy; when you do your 'exersize' and the end of the week, you will certainly feel it.

Once you have a good about of mojo built up, create a situation where you can do some 'holy masturbation.' Honestly, I think a running hot shower with some candlelight is ideal, so you can let the energy run down the drain back into the earth, including the sticky manifestion of it. Get yourself arroused, however you need to. If you can do so without thinking 'pornographic' thoughts, all the better. I think some kind of fantasy is okay, as long as it is imperverse. Try to have an image that won't make you feel guilty. For me the image of a beautiful earthy woman is perfect, because once arroused the next step is to change the image to that of the planet. Whatever shape or angle the image takes, just make sure it is of earth. I find myself naturally seeing the earth from near orbit, as if I were the moon. The idea is that your fantasy is to 'f*ck' or make love to the earth itself. Because you have been saving your seed you will find that you don't need to involve a human so much. Keeping your intention of sexual bond with the earth, put your attention on your body. Feel the sexual pleasure and recogize that you are having pleasure without the usual erotic fantasy. It is important to be able to interact sexually on a physical level, without attatching every sensation to an erotic fantasy. If you must attatch your sensations, attatch them to your image of the earth. As you continue try to cycle the energy throughout your body, like as I described above. You will probably feel the energy really surging, you wont have to 'imagine' it. Continue this and let the energy go throughout your entire body, not just the spine and chest, but into your limbs, fingers, toes, lips, and nose. Let it charge your entire aura. When you are ready to orgasm open your heart chakra wide and really intend your energy to go towards the earth. As you orgasm let energy gush from your heart as strongly as from your genitals.

I'll leave the rest of this to your own experience. Let me just say that this may be the best orgasm you've ever had, and you will feel very light and refreshed with a new outlook, like the afterglow of a good psychedelic experience. Congradulations, you have made love to the earth and helped her strengthen her grid and in exchange she has taken your impurities and blessed you with a very fulfilling sexual experience.

Good luck! And stay away from the porn. wink

Mencius

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I know. Lately I've been thinking a lot about the real purpose of these screens gateways that our lives seem to be caught up in these days.

Think about it: ipods, cell phones, blackberrys, plasma tvs, playstations the list goes on. I myself have an alarming addiction to my ipod, its never not playing in my ears nor most people's ears in NYC. I wonder what could be broadcast through it on subliminal levels...

Michael Tsarion talks about the interesting terminology for computers and their programs too:

GATEWAY [indeed, but where to?!]
WINDOWS
PENTIUM [ there's that magic number five again sad]
IPOD ['i, Pod' now there's an interesting name! Invasion of the body snatchers anyone?! lol neutral]

more later.... gotta go to bed

My People Were Fair And Had Sky In Their Hair...But Now They're Content To Wear Stars On Their Brows

-Tyrannosaurus rex

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The internet porn scene is an energy mining gateway that has gone into high gear.
Virtualities are dangerous because they take you out of the present. The people that are heavy into this are becoming more unconscious, more programmed, more automaton like.
They don't see how debased this thing is or how they are being drained and re-programmed in the process.
The fact that you are contemplating energy flow dynamics is wise.
ON the other subject, you are also correct that some type of release it necessary, otherwise there is imbalance. There are different ways to channel this type of energy, one no more spiritual than the other. The important thing is to be aware of energy and be out of judgement which you seem to have going on. Unfortunately actualized males are in a disadvantaged position in this time and are bearing more than their fair share of difficulties because of imbalances within the tribe.
Keep transcendence in mind and some miracles should be possible given the correct timing.
It takes a detatched but sharp intent. Very hard to language.

" Denial is the worst form of indulgence. "
Don Juan Matus.

StarCat

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StarCat wrote:

There are different ways to channel this type of energy, one no more spiritual than the other.

Maybe that's true, but one can vary in awareness of the energy flow. If one jacks off to internet porn chances are they are not being aware of the energy, and if one is aware he should be so disturbed as to never want to do THAT again.

There are indeed many ways to channel that energy. Personally, I want to channel it into the earth, since I know she needs it and that is part of my purpose. Maybe later I can work on doing other things with it. smile

Mencius

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I have definitely noticed what you are talking about Mencius.  This is coincidental because I would label this as my number 1 problem right now, and yet I have been helpless to do anything about it.  I struggle all week to not do it, then in one moment of altered state of mind I am somehow convinced to do it.  I completely agree with you that it takes away your vital energies, and have no clue how to stop. 

I actually found this post searching for "chakra"  because I seem to have this problem with my stomach that I was wondering if it could be caused by some problem with whatever chakra is located there.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

6 (edited by Pictus 2007-01-20 11:20:40)

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If sex/masturbation is not desired, better find some natural anti-aphrodisiac to lower the libido.

Rue (Ruta graveolens) was used by monks, funny for women it is aphrodisiac...
good link but in Portuguese
http://www.jardimdeflores.com.br/ERVAS/A05arruda.htm

I did not find much good English links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rue
http://ecoport.org/ep?Plant=18352&e … egory=full

Bye, Pictus

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7 (edited by ontrack24 2007-01-20 11:41:16)

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Interesting thread.
I definitely know (about) this problem. I also do it from time to time (please myself w/porn on the computer), and have for quite a while now realized it's not too good for me. I have felt this more on a personal level though, and I can't say I've thought about the possibility of plugging in and sending energy to a larger matrix, possibly feeding some neg entities in the process. I have always felt a little drained after the deed is done, though, so I can clearly relate to what you're saying. But this drained feeling is also just a natural result of having gone through the full sexual experience until orgasm/ejaculation...

I remember reading about how sex with a partner, and of course, preferably in a loving relationship, can result in a sort of reciprocal charging, whereas masturbation leads to emptying as the energy is not received anywhere but more or less dissipates (or, possibly, gets snatched by energy-hunting entities?). There may very well be something to it.

Question is how to repress this 'natural' urge, especially for a man, in a way that does not lead to unhealthy "pressure cooker" type build-up of unreleased sexual energy. All men not in active relationships (and with normal function of the sexual systems) will get the urge to either jack off or have (casual) sex, usually often. Bad results from not getting this relief, have been registered. I guess it's all about ones state of mind and way of thought, when it all comes to it.

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ontrack24 wrote:

Interesting thread.

I remember reading about how sex with a partner, and of course, preferably in a loving relationship, can result in a sort of reciprocal charging, whereas masturbation leads to emptying as the energy is not received anywhere but more or less dissipates (or, possibly, gets snatched by energy-hunting entities?). There may very well be something to it.

Question is how to repress this 'natural' urge, especially for a man, in a way that does not lead to unhealthy "pressure cooker" type build-up of unreleased sexual energy. All men not in active relationships (and with normal function of the sexual systems) will get the urge to either jack off or have (casual) sex, usually often. Bad results from not getting this relief, have been registered. I guess it's all about ones state of mind and way of thought, when it all comes to it.

I think that sex with the wrong partner or in the wrong way or wrong situation can be just as draining, if not more so, than masturbation. It all depends on the energy dynamix. I can give myself an orgasm that leaves me fealing vital and clean and refreshed. And I can have an orgasm with a partner that I love and afterwards feel bitter and disgusted. When I consciously direct my sexual energy through my body, think 'good' thoughts, and make a willful decision about whether to have an orgasm or not (at this point I generally want to only have about one per week) then I find my sexuality is very empowering and feels wonderful.

Maybe it is importend to supress the urge to masturbate or have casual sex, but I don't think it is good to supress sexual energy in general. It is a very, very powerful source of energy. It can be cultivated and used to heighten one's awareness, creativity, and general powers. Before one can make use of it, one must have conscious control of it. One must undo the conditioning that our unhealthy sex culture which includes pornography visits upon us.


Capitan, you might consider finding some support. Orgasm and porn can very much be an addiction like drugs or alcohol, and it's not always easy to break such a habit by yourself. Most men probably have a simillar problem as you (I have it), but we don't reallly talk about it in our society. If you can't find support in your existing social group, you might find a men's group in your area that deals with these issues, or at least something on the internet.


I can reccomend a book that talks about this stuff. It's called "Taoist Secrets of Love - Cultivating the Male Sexual Energy". As far as I can tell it is a legitimate exposition of taoist sex practices that have been kept secret, probably because the practice can unlock so much power. I'd say it's as powerful (thus dangerous) as any kind of magical working. The book suggests that one should NEVER ejuculate, except for procreation. I think this practice is necessary if one is ready to fully cultivate the light body and achieve taoist immortality, but isn't really practical for most of us. Still, the exersizes and techniques it offers will help one to redirect the flow of energy so that rather than it all going out the penis, it can climb the latter. It's really the essence of kundalini practices, but is practical and real, not just meditation and visualization.

Mencius

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Just thought I'd mention that much has been discussed at NR about this topic in the past, here:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 01&p=1

May be worth a look.

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10 (edited by Blue 2007-01-20 15:53:58)

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I am happily married, but obviously lunar cycles restrict natural acts, and during those times I invariably 'suffer':D erotic dreams.

These are continual, and in the past I suffered with them, denying the urge, ( or in times past giving in to the urge all too easliy ), but now I know the menstrual cycles, I note my dreams, I know I can hold on for so long and still be quite sane.

But there comes a time (the 4th/5th day) , when a release HAS to be made (otherwise my body/mind will go apeshit), then, at (my) chosen time, I will follow the strong sexual impulse, and release, but without the usual formation of a mental thoughtform.  Hard to desrcibe without being crude, but culminating in flaccid  ejaculation after a sustained period of erotic erectile impluse. (Anti-climax- suck on that Lizzies he he)

It wasn't always this way. tongue

Sorry for being crude, but this is a valid topic, and I have suffered in the past with this, and wanted to comment.

11 (edited by zenden 2007-01-20 18:08:35)

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i just love you Blue, just do.  i understand, completely.  really do.  had to say that.

oh, and i had no idea that u said the same, in turn, on that 2012 john lash thread.  i just quickly had to say what i think of u, and ur fine work, and connectedness, after reading what u posted right above.  see how that works?!  so i got back in here to edit this immediately.  we're all so synched.  my god.  and i loves me my tom paine, oh yes.  and u guys are such the best.  dont worry Blue, i got enuf energy to rally on everything, any time, altho i will get into trouble with that soon, i feel.  i always do, runnin the mouth with goddamn opinions.  swearing again.  blame it on the very thing u were saying, damn menstrual cycles.  i wanted my uterus to be made into a coin purse in the 70's.  nice, little pouch, with a cute sweet lil zipper.  whip it out at the store, have ppl comment..." now isnt that cute, where'd u get that honey?, i'd like one", they said.  if i could scrape it out, i would.  with a rusty spoon.  that thing has caused me more trouble than my mouth, if thats possible.  i will shut the hell up now.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Becareful with ruda plant...It is a plant used for abortion purposes in  Spain in the old times..so please Pictus...inform you better...
happy days for all
Nacho

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From the link I post above
http://ecoport.org/ep?Plant=18352&e … egory=full

Rue is a small, woody, perennial, erect and densely branched sub-shrub. The extract (of leaves and twigs) is used for medicines and the essential oil in perfumery and flavourings. It is also cultivated as an ornamental plant. It might cause dermatitis if it touches the skin. Rue has abortive effects and must not be taken during pregnancy.

Bye, Pictus

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Rue is also used to shut down psychic awareness. 
Good for hysteria.  Protects from astral attacks, but also
prevents you from picking up intuitive impressions.

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All men posting here? Women also masturbate,  although not often to porn I guess. I know when I accidentally discovered this pleasure as a child, there was no fantasy about it. Just pure physical pleasure, no thought whatsoever. Later I guess I got addicted to the comfort, coming from a very unloving family. When fantasy started coming into the picture, things got ugly. YES, we do draw to us what we think about, and especially during sexual activity. The problem is it is difficult to block out what may 'pop up" in one's mind in the middle of a "session" no matter what one was thinking about to begin with. Seems like unwelcome stuff would come in right at the moment of orgasm, giving tremendous energy to said thoughts. A friend once told me he was watching a "regular" porn movie that suddenly switched to very sick and demented porn in the middle, he was devastated after, not able to stop himself. Wasn't porn actually named after a demon? Pornia is the name, I think. anyway, why masturbate if you have to use something to get aroused? Why not wait until a few short strokes while not thinking about anything will do? Yea, I know I'm not a man but really, sometimes I think people use masturbation or sex as an alternative to exersize . Get a bike. Take a hike. Dance, for Pete's sake.

The opinions expressed here are not nessesarily the opinions of my true self. Something I'm working on, getting rid of false selves. Sometimes one of them takes over and tries (successfuly) to discredit me, lol!