16 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2004-08-18 07:57:09)

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Yes, Jim Keith was supposed to be one of the ones who was knocked off, along with William Cooper and others.  I've skimmed his books, and they're always interesting.  Just haven't gotten around to buying any, but I plan to.   From what I've seen so far of Keith's books, I'd definately recommend them to anybody who is interested in researching this material.   His books are easy to read, and his writing voice was very grounded, sane, straight to the point, nothing crazy, rambling or "out there."  That's an important quality to have when writing about these topics.

Carla Emery did a lot of research (10 years in the making!!) to compile her "Encyclopedia of Hypnotism."   Again, this has proven to be such a useful resource that I really recommend people look into this book.  You can find it online anywhere, or go to her website at:  www.carlaemery.com   She really knows her stuff, and was a victim of unethical mind control hypnotism which is what got her started in researching the topic in the first place.

Another useful tidbit brought to my attention via her book which I'd never seen anywhere (but which was something I had suspected) was the fact that people who are being used in a MILABS mind control situation are often times programmed to isolate themselves from others.   Minimal if any friends, minimal if any family, and isolating themselves in general from society, and not even caring or seeming to notice.   They'd be the loners.   Not necessarily "crazy" loners, but, loners all the same, always feeling like they don't fit in, they don't belong, they're on the outside looking in, and that they're just too "different", (odd, special, weird, etc. fill in the blank) to mesh well with others, so, they don't even try.   

Often times this is actually programming ---  it's not the person's true state of mind, and not the way they would have turned out had they been left alone and not tampered with.

Interesting indeed.

Something I had going on the backburner was the idea that a few people I've met, including myself, seem to have the same life "script" going on, similar intelligence / personality characteristics, similar interests, key traumatic events happening at roughly the same ages producing a negative personality outcome, military family connection someway, somehow,  to the point where it's a little weird.   I haven't met enough people yet to justify formulating a theory, but the few that I have encountered makes me wonder.  My theory is that they've either got a HUGE experiment going on with the mass public to alter / remodel as many kids as possible to suit their needs and agenda, (ie, work for them either consciously or unconsciously) or, to squash any and all potential positive people out there and influence them to go dark, or at least to become dysfunctional, unproductive members of society who wind up doing nothing beneficial, versus how they may have turned out had they been left alone.   

If they were going to do this, it would make sense to have a rough script / outline to work with.   Do what's tried and true and what's proven to produce desired results.  Every situation is going to have its variables of course, but the rough outline remains the same. 

More food for thought................

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Yes, when listening to Bowie, I've also felt that he could be an alien, Aaron and Lyra.
I hope what I'm about to say doesn't make me a "pariah" on this board (!), but that's kind of what I've always liked about him.

I didn't particularly notice him other than for his "image", and didn't connect the somewhat neutral songs with him until I "discovered" his newer things. This could be due to an acceptance among those in the know regarding alien origens of some artists.

I don't find him "sinister" , but I do find him to have a preternatural glow, a disconcerting quality. He's suprisingly warm when speaking to another one-on-one, or , to me he is.
I guess I kinda like him.

Yes, I know. So perhaps, I am....."One of Them!" I sure feel like it .  I can totally relate to some of that stuff, and I listened and listened. I listened very intently.

Maybe I'm like that Klingon who joined the Enterprise crew: his basic nature was Klingon, but he had a "change of heart " about some of the things he felt were wrong about his "people." So he "joined the enemy." But biologically, etc,, he was still a Klingon.

You get my drift. Maybe that seems like a "love the aliens" bunch a B.S. But for reasons it looks like I'll start a thread for, it doesn't look good for me being 100%
human. For some of you this will evoke a yawn, for others....? Well, we'll see.


Where this fits into mind control is that some of these artist may want to program
such "renegade alien/hybrids" back to a totally alien MCS control mentality. That I
can't relate to at all.  Heeelllpppp!

This has been difficult. I can't say how difficult. I know it's not really a big deal but it feels like it. Anyway, the cat's out of the bag for me.

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I just found this site, put up by Kathleen Sullivan, one of the more visible survivors of mind control. It looks like one of the more useful sites devoted to MC.

http://naffoundation.org/

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Don't worry Sedna, I just bought David Bowie's movie "Labyrinth" on DVD tonight.   He is sinister to me, but intriguing.  I love this movie!  smile

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20 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2004-08-23 09:25:47)

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This post is in response to Auendove's question in the Mike Tyson thraad about Wizard of Oz being used as a programming tool.

Your best bet to research this would be Fritz Springmeier's book.  Here's a link to an online copy of it:

http://educate-yourself.org/mc/Illumina … ndex.shtml

When you click on this link you'll see a chapter index, with functioning links to click on each chapter.  Offhand, you'll want to focus on Chapters 7.0, and 7.2.   Click on each and do a search on "wizard" to bring you to every instance where the word Wizard of Oz appears.   I'm sure there's mention of Wizard of Oz in other chapters, but those are just the ones I found offhand when doing a quick search to verify.

This book is excellent in general for anybody wanting to research the programming techniques and the different systems the government uses.   Example, Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, Wizard of Oz, Labyrinth, etc. and so on.  This book is a major piece of the puzzle for getting answers, like I mentioned in my earlier post on this thread.

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21 Reply by thook (edited by thook 2004-08-23 14:52:18)

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Okay, this is a gripping thread. Palulukon and I watched the Cooper tape last night. I couldn't stay awake for the whole thing, as she has explained. Then this morning we read Eisenhower's parting speech and I feel like I am getting bombarded ever since. Seems to me some programming has been stirred up some of which ran way in the backround. I do think it is interesting my father was in the navy and even on the U.S.S Eisenhower. I had never seen the Cooper tape before and was unaware of alot the info on it. Stirred up some fear and self doubt which is good, but challenging. Some of the things mentioned on this topic scares the crap out of me. I am really having to face some fears right now. Has been difficult for me in the past , but I feel I am getting better at balancing. Atleast I hope. I am grateful everyone is talking about it as I am dealing with this. Any suggestions for balancing? I will check out references and links already posted. As for now I just watch for the neg. programs and use my power of choice to do something different, positive. Move into a different energy field. Maybe that is all I need to do? Comments? I realize I don't post alot. Apologies where they apply. There has been interference and I can see that. Things popping up needing repair. Thank you all for being courageous enough to share yourself. I would like to reply more to some of the post, but if someone could be so kind as to inform me of how to take the excerpts of interest from someone else's post and put them in the fancy box as a quote, i.e. "aaronfirebrand wrote: "I would appreciate it. Maybe post instructions in GD so as not to completely disturb this thread? I will look for it. In meantime gotta finish a trench. wink Peace to you all.

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thook, hi! I have the same problem with the quote mechanism.
One of the things I do to get relief from the bombardment of info is to try to get into my cat's head. He's not conscious of the myriad plots against his rights. He just rolls with his animal flow. I try to roll along as he does. At least until I get hungry.

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Hi Thook and aaronfirebrand,

To quote somebody, instead of hitting "post reply" you'll hit the "quote" button that appears under the post you want to quote.   This serves two functions:  To reply, and also to quote the particular post you want to reply to. 

From there, you'll see the reply box come up which you would normally see when you hit "post reply."  The quote you want to reply to will already be in that box, wrapped in html coding.   Go to the end of the quote, hit return, and begin typing your response.   When you're done, hit "submit."

Now, if you want to get all fancy and break the quote down bit by bit so you can respond to individual sentences, one at a time, just bracket each sentence / section chunk you want to respond to with the html tags, to signify the start and end of the segment you want to quote.   Reply underneath that just like in the above steps.  Bracket off the next segment, repeat, until you're done.

It sounds more confusing then it is.  I'm not very good at writing How-To instructions.  But I hope that helps!  smile

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Thanks, lyra. Now say something quotable so I can try it!

25 Reply by Auendove (edited by Auendove 2004-08-23 18:41:34)

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thook wrote:

I am getting bombarded ever since. Seems to me some programming has been stirred up some of which ran way in the backround. I do think it is interesting my father was in the navy and even on the U.S.S Eisenhower. I had never seen the Cooper tape before and was unaware of alot the info on it. Stirred up some fear and self doubt which is good, but challenging. Some of the things mentioned on this topic scares the crap out of me. I am really having to face some fears right now. Has been difficult for me in the past , but I feel I am getting better at balancing. At least I hope. I am grateful everyone is talking about it as I am dealing with this. Any suggestions for balancing?

How do I love thee fellow NAS Millington, Tennessian?  Let me count the ways... DOH! I can't, there's just too many ways.  Heavy sigh thook.

I have "opened up" and worked on this stuff today, closed down and "worked" on this stuff today--through thinking, and reflecting, and tears, sobbing, 'specially about the self doubt (that <bleeping> programming, that damnedable programming)... big 'specially about the self-doubt, this mind programming kwap, even all the while being so damned grateful it's bubbling up, like you.

I have been working on a post all afternoon, amongst the sobbing about and fear of peer judgement and rejection concerning the relevance of Springmeier's material, and really... just who in the hell am I?  Self-doubt is like my "last frontier" Brother/Man... if I can overturn the self-doubt the world will become my "oyster"... do you hear me thook, do you know where I'm coming from? 

I can't make the post yet because I have this awlful feeling that if I do?, I will never possess credibility in my peers' eyes, because I'm just a product of "mind programming" and abduction.  I'm stuggling here folks so very fast and furiously. The "other side" ALWAYS comes from these difficult times for me, but still...

You ask "Any suggestions for balancing?"  My heart, my beautiful and strong STO oriented heart says, "What you share will set you free... and not only you, but others too.", but, I just know it, if I tell all the shitty, shitty stuff... nobody on NR will think of me the same again... I'll just become "damaged goods"... this is so <bleeping> hard you guys. 

Don't get me wrong, I CAN handle this, but I'm doin' it alone...I don't want to do it alone.

And I'm usually so righteously strong, like a bull, but this is something else... the insecurity of peer judgement.

Sniffle, Sniffle, sob, sob.... push...

How can I find the balls to press submit?

Deep breath... push...


EDIT--I've come back in and censored some "f" words, if anybody saw my use of the foul word I apologize... no need to totally debase myself.

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Auendove, Women don't need balls. They are naturally stronger than men in just about every way except for physical strength.  Look at the MC survivors speaking out to help other victims. Off hand, I can't think of any men, only women. Your only peers are the ones who will accept you as you are, unconditionally. We're all damaged, after all. Those who don't admit to that are not on the same path and not your peers.
Your advice to thook about sharing is Spot On. The weight of this material and the pressure it can put a psyche under is more than a single individual can bear. If you feel strong enough to share anything from your own experience, step right up. If you have a "terrible hesitancy", or if you feel that "you" are crumbling into pieces, then back away for now. Most people coming out of this vile process require therapy or at least a "spotter", as there is always the possibility of self-destructive action. I'm not going to speculate as to what you have intimated about your past. When you can share it, we will all be more aware.
I have an idea that this MC stuff is a lot more prevalent than is apparent. On different levels and to different degrees, we are all used and abused until we scream out the window like Howard Beale in Network: "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!"

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arronfirebrand,

At this point I'm not sure what to say... I'm just weeping. "Self destruction" and "crumbling" are not options... because that means the rat <bleepin'> bastards win... by the power of all that is good, I'm the only one who gets to win this <bleepin'> game. I swear on my soul, and everything in my life I've done right, I'm the only one who gets to win Brother/Man.

arronfirebrand wrote:

Your only peers are the ones who will accept you as you are, unconditionally. We're all damaged, after all. Those who don't admit to that are not on the same path and not your peers.

I know this is true old wise one. I know, but I'm in a place of the "abandoned child" right now... as soon as the "crisis" passes, and it will, I WILL make my post. In the strictest use of the words, I didn't come to life to "back down".... and God/Goddess help the <bleepin'> jackass that gets in my way now.  I'm kinda sorry to say this, but I'm ready to fight, and fight hard. I have the other kind of strength too...as <bleepin'> long as I'm not tied down. WAIL!!!  If I was in an empty field I'd be screaming, but (oh sheesh!, and now I'm laughing through my tears) I'd probably get abducted for being in a remote area roll big_smile.  Ssssppfffhhh!  Ah jeez afb, I hope you're laughing with me.

But until this "pity party"/emotional release is over, I'm purging.  I logged back onto NR to delete my post, but your support, your perfect words, have helped me tonight.

Thanks loverly one. wink

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Auendove wrote:

How do I love thee fellow NAS Millington, Tennessian?  Let me count the ways... DOH! I can't, there's just too many ways.  Heavy sigh thook.

I have "opened up" and worked on this stuff today, closed down and "worked" on this stuff today--through thinking, and reflecting, and tears, sobbing, 'specially about the self doubt (that <bleeping> programming, that damnedable programming)... big 'specially about the self-doubt, this mind programming kwap, even all the while being so damned grateful it's bubbling up, like you.

I have been working on a post all afternoon, amongst the sobbing about and fear of peer judgement and rejection concerning the relevance of Springmeier's material, and really... just who in the hell am I?  Self-doubt is like my "last frontier" Brother/Man... if I can overturn the self-doubt the world will become my "oyster"... do you hear me thook, do you know where I'm coming from? 

I can't make the post yet because I have this awlful feeling that if I do?, I will never possess credibility in my peers' eyes, because I'm just a product of "mind programming" and abduction.  I'm stuggling here folks so very fast and furiously. The "other side" ALWAYS comes from these difficult times for me, but still...

You ask "Any suggestions for balancing?"  My heart, my beautiful and strong STO oriented heart says, "What you share will set you free... and not only you, but others too.", but, I just know it, if I tell all the shitty, shitty stuff... nobody on NR will think of me the same again... I'll just become "damaged goods"... this is so <bleeping> hard you guys. 

Don't get me wrong, I CAN handle this, but I'm doin' it alone...I don't want to do it alone.

And I'm usually so righteously strong, like a bull, but this is something else... the insecurity of peer judgement.

Sniffle, Sniffle, sob, sob.... push...

How can I find the balls to press submit?

Deep breath... push...


EDIT--I've come back in and censored some "f" words, if anybody saw my use of the foul word I apologize... no need to totally debase myself.


Auendove.....don't write anything that you're not comfortable writing.    Hell, I don't even reveal most of the things that have happened to me for the very same exact reasons you just mentioned.   I was reading your post and nodding my head, because I could totally relate.   I'm always joking that "half the board probably thinks I'm loopy by this point because of all the crazy things I've talked about! hahaha...."   And it bothers me for a split second, then I just shrug and say Oh well.   Too bad.  For me, I wouldn't feel comfortable not talking about this stuff, so if they want to judge, so be it.   I happen to know that there are people out there reading it who will benefit.  So for them, I write.    For the rest....Oh well!  As for you....only do what you feel comfortable doing.   You don't have to post things that you don't want to post.   The rest of us will pick up the slack in that department!  big_smile big_smile  big_smile  Trust me on that one!  hehe   

I'm not sure what to say regarding the Fritz material having such a negative impact. From reading your post I'm guessing that Fritz's information on the Wizard of Oz programming really threw you for a loop.   I want to offer advise, but I don't want to sound trite or stupid.   All I can suggest is to take the material with a grain of salt.  Go slow if it's too much, too fast.  Or turn away from it altogether if you feel it could send you into a tailspin.

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29 Reply by Auendove (edited by Auendove 2004-08-23 23:25:06)

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lyra,

Just so you know, this is a part of my post that I haven't shared yet, the part that addresses the Oz stuff. As you can see IT DOES HAVE A POSITIVE spin (not that you wanted less for me, or whatever... don't want you to get the wrong impression, the C's were the ones that pulled my patootie out of the fire on this one today), the Oz stuff is no problem for me--

ummm... I big_smile wrote:

For cryin' out loud, Springmeirer's stuff really toasts my train.  Fortunately, there were only a few things that slapped me in the face of what I read, but <bleep>, that's a few too many for me. GACK!!!  But it wasn't as freaky this time as it was the first time to read it.  The first time I read it it took me a month to get the ick off of me.

As I think about it, that the C's had said that I had "outgrown my shoes" (as I noted in another post on the "the wave has already come, possibility" in the General Disscussion area, posted by palulukon), a reference to the Ruby Red Slippers of The Wizard of Oz, a reference to experiencing (or being able to experience?) 4D bleed through... let's just say I'm happy to know of this little tid bit of info as I write today. wink

"Higher awareness" rocks, eh Sisterella? big_smile

NR churns with higher awareness all the way around...

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Here's an overview and page of links covering MC from educate-yourself.org, in case someone hasn't seen it.
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/