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Topic: AVP (Alien vs. Predator)

I saw this movie and I liked it!  It was a more intelligent film than I thought it would be.  Of course, there is plenty of fighting and killing.  The graphics in the movie are realistic.  The Predators have very advanced technology.

At one point there is a flashback to thousands of years ago.  The Predators arrive in their spaceships and the humans worship the Predators.  The Predators "showed the humans how to build."

Some other interesting quotes are the humans saying: "We are cattle."  "They feed on us."

I think there was another exchange which goes: "If we are their food source, then they are actually dependent upon us."

The Predators are shown as having what I call "Warrior's Honor."  Basically, if you are a human and you fight with courage and are able to kill your enemy, then you can win the respect of the Predators.

Also, there is lot's of phasing in and becoming visible and phasing out and becoming invisible.  I see this as the ability to shift between 3d and 4d.  The Predators are able to do this with their bodies, weapons, and spaceships.

Re: AVP (Alien vs. Predator)

Hi wandering1,

Sounds like there's a lot of symbolism in the movie.    I'll repost something here about the trailer for this movie, which I wrote about in the thread "My Name is Alice and I Remember Everything", (current events)  for anybody who may not have read this, or forgot about it:

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You know, we went and saw "I, Robot" last night so got to see the AVP [alien vs. predator] trailer and I was kinda a little disturbed.    For instance:   Alien and Predator are fighting where of all places?   In a pyramid that's located 2,000 underground, in Antarctica?!?!?!

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What in the....??!?!

The music in the AVP trailer at the height of the montage of clips is this intense, ritualistic Egyptian music eerily similar to the music in that other off-the-wall head scratching flick from 1985 called "Young Sherlock Holmes" which involved Egyptian ritualistic killings.  It's the same music at the core, just slightly modified.   So we have the "two alien species" (the Orions, Reptilians, etc. and whoever they're fighting, I have no clue, I haven't kept up on all that "Federation" stuff!  haha)  duking it out in a "pyramid" (Illuminati / ancient Brotherhood )  which is located "underground", (the Reptilians supposedly can be found oftentimes in underground bases, preferring the underground bases / cities / caverns/ tunnels, etc.) and using humans as the bait in their little war, (the STS battle which is fought through humans....)  Add in the tagline, "Whoever wins, we lose" and it sounds to me like some secondary meaning, hanh?!?       

Could also be yet ANOTHER meaning which was just brought to my attention, but one which is the illusion of war between two false enemies but in actuality they're two sides of the same coin.   I think both are relevant, actually.

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And here I was thinking this would be a silly nonsense movie, like "Jason vs. Freddy" !   ha!   Right.   Sounds very symbolic, that's for sure.  It seems so many movies nowadays contain so much esoteric symbolism.   Look at movies from the 80's versus now.   What a difference!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: AVP (Alien vs. Predator)

I think the symbolism is there.  In this case, much of it is right on the surface.  It's a matter of interpretation.  I can see at least three possibilities:

1. We are here and we have been here a long time.  We are your alien overlords, its just that many of you are too slow to figure that out so we thought we would give you some obvious clues to your pathetic slavery.  Our technology and fighting ability is far beyond yours.  You don't have a chance.  We can phase in and out of this reality at will.  Our ships travel the galaxy.  You are Bessie the cow.  Can I hear a "moo"?

2. People, wake up!  There is a race of aliens that has been interacting with the human population for thousands of years.  Way back when, of course, our ancestors worshipped them as gods.  They were misguided.  These beings are not gods, they just have better technology and more advanced psychic powers.  Let's figure out a way to meet this challenge.

3. Oh, please!  It's a movie!  A science fiction movie!  Get real.  They're not any technologically advanced Predator aliens.  If there were, we would already know about them.  They would have taken us over already.

Here's what a #2 perspective might say to a number #3 perspective:

"Yes, of course it's a science fiction movie.  But just imagine this possibility.  The parts of the galaxy, such as our solar system, go through cyclical changes - a growth cycle.  Some people say that we are at the end of a growth cycle.  As we enter the new phase, many of the "laws of reality" will be quite different.  Our alien wardens know this and all of their efforts are based around the upcoming shift, which may happen within 10 years.  As the shift approaches, their presence may become increasingly apparent."

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I'm looking forward to seeing it.  I, too, was struck by the Antartica setting.

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I finally saw AVP yesterday, and I must say I found it disappointing. I loved the original Predator (a little less now, thanks to schwartzenazi) and Alien, but the sequels don't cut it. One major element of the Predator mythos was completely turned upside down. Namely, Predators hunt in extreme heat, and likely come from a planet with high temperatures. So what were they doing in Antarctica? Predators are more interesting hunting outside; this film was claustrophobic, boxed in by both the set and the predictable ending. I know, these are minor quibbles. I just didn't care for the film. The most interesting thing for me was to find Mike Verheiden (one of the people responsible for bringing Alien(s) and Predator to the comic books, and who has created some great TV shows) acting in the movie. He played Flanagan, who was killed off pretty early. I found the whole affair to be formulaic and unexciting. I'll watch it again sometime, probably, as I've changed my mind before and maybe I wasn't as into it as I might have been. So this is a first impression, subject to modification.
Incidentally, I watched The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen last week. Did anyone miss the masonic compass and square symbols on "M"'s door? It as much as said that British Intelligence was a masonic organization. The comic book/graphic story by Alan Moore and Kevin O'Neill was much more enjoyable than the film it was based upon.

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Re: AVP (Alien vs. Predator)

I went into the movie with low expectations and that may explain why I liked it.  That's what I was trying to say with "it was a more intelligent film than I thought it would be."

I liked it as a decent movie but it is clearly not up there with the "greats" by any means.

Sequels which are not part of a planned series generally come out that way.

Still, with low expectations, I think it has plenty to offer for what it is.

Hope I didn't mislead anyone.  :-)

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Re: AVP (Alien vs. Predator)

wandering1, I wouldn't have gone to see it if I hadn't wanted to. The trailer looked good.