361 (edited by lyra 2006-12-28 08:43:48)

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Marcus wrote:

I seem to remember the same being said about Braveheart.  To be honest I have never taken the time to look into any research.

I assumed - perhaps wrongly - that the detractors were making comments based on "accurate" history taken from the history books...which as we all know are written by the victors and generally very biased.  Maybe that isn't the case - would be interested to know if the movies are just blatantly inaccurate, or if it's just a case of them not conforming to the history books.

As I have been lazy in this regard and you have recently done the research... big_smile

Yeah, with "The Patriot" it was apparently a case of blatently makin' shit up....like, most of the movie.  The main characters, be it British or American, were not real people - okay, no big deal, that's nothing new in movies, using fictional characters placed in the middle of real historical events - but of course this creates a "creative license slippery slope."  Since the characters aren't real, and Mel Gibson doesn't have to answer to anybody for how somebody's being portrayed, well that means we can just blatently make shit up that never happened!  Woohoo!  Party time!  And since his spin was Patriotism propaganda, America, Ra! Ra! Ra! that means completely skewering the British in an over-the-top manner, having them do monstrous things that they supposedly didn't and wouldn't have done, according to people who know history. 

Mel's movies have a repeating pattern of extreme violence and bloodlust - Braveheart, The Patriot, The Passion of the Christ, Apocalypto, etc. - violence for the sake of being able to show it.  You really get the impression that the movies aren't about the characters themselves, but rather, the violence the characters can inflict on others...and shown in extreme up-close detail.   Violence isn't a means to an ends in Mel Gibson movies...it IS the ends, and the whole point of the movie.  And then that's not even counting the lies and distortion, and blatent manipulation of the audience, i.e., "the agenda."  wink  Anyway, just my opinion and 2 cents about it all.....

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lyra wrote:

When you're doing an historical epic you should at least make an effort to be, oh, I don't know......accurate in some way!

Agreed, I would much prefer a movie like this to stick to the facts and build the story around them.   But nevertheless the overall message of standing up against an oppressive force if necessary is the important point. 

Yeah, there is definitely a pattern with Mel Gibson and brutally violent movies.   I guess that's what sells.     

As far as whether "The Patriot" is in the right spirit or not, that could probably be debated endlessly.    I meant it in the sense that people need to stand up and asesrt their rights, though not necessarily in a physically violent manner.   That's not really a practical option nowadays anyway; the cirmunstances of the modern situation necessitate aggressive studying and education of potential allies rather than mounting a crude physical assault against an overwhelmingly powerful foe.

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Hey, did anyone else notice that the music played during the ritual scene in Eyes Wide Shut seemed to be playing backwards?   You can tell by the way the voice sounds.    Well I just downloaded the soundtrack and loaded that track into an audio editing program, and reversed it so now it is probably "back to normal," or at least closer to the original recording than before.     If you want to check it out, go here.

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I've never seen eyes wide shut, but I heard a rumor that there was a hidden message if you played the opening song backwards.  If you scour the internet you might be able to find the rumor.  I also heard somewhere that eyes wide shut was Stanely Kubric attempt to expose the illumanati secret rituals, it was expected that the release of the movie had something to do with his death.

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morningsun76 wrote:

Hey, did anyone else notice that the music played during the ritual scene in Eyes Wide Shut seemed to be playing backwards?   You can tell by the way the voice sounds.    Well I just downloaded the soundtrack and loaded that track into an audio editing program, and reversed it so now it is probably "back to normal," or at least closer to the original recording than before.     If you want to check it out, go here.

Whoa! Sounds even more "ritualistic", is that a real language? It's a trip, thanks!

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Free_Your_Mind wrote:

Whoa! Sounds even more "ritualistic", is that a real language? It's a trip, thanks!

I found this:

In the scene with the ritual, the incantations heard in the background are in Romanian, played backwards. The piece, named "Masked Ball", is an adaptation by Jocelyn Pook of her earlier work "Backwards Priests." When first contacting Pook in regard to providing music for the film, Kubrick asked her if she had anything else like Backwards Priests - "you know, weird."
Source at Wikipedia

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Cool, I found this translation:

The priests words, unreversed and translated are:

God said to His disciples: "A new commandment I give to you"

This is from John 13:34, and the full sentence goes like this:

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

The voice of the other priest goes like this:

We pray for the mercy, the life, the peace, the health, the salvation, the scrutiny, neglection and forgiveness of the sins of God's servants, worshipers, almsgivers, benefactors of this holy place.

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Nice song... would sound even better with some heavy electric guitars. Oh wait, that's just doom metal smile

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368 (edited by lyra 2006-12-28 17:01:51)

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Personally I liked the music that was playing during the um....boinking scene.  wink  The middle eastern sort of music which actually kind of calls to mind a "harem," which is fitting, considering what's going on in that scene.  It just sounds cool though.   And I really like "Eyes Wide Shut" as noted on my website in the movies section, and I can't even explain why.  A big part of it is the music, and the whole moody ambiance of the movie, the use of color, the NYC setting, the creep conspiracy subject matter, just all of it. 

Until morningsun's post I was thinking that the lyrics were reversed Latin, so it's good to know that it's Romanian so I can correct that on my website.  Thanks!

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369 (edited by wandering1 2006-12-28 23:59:47)

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I recently saw "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" (1978).

Highly recommended!  Very well done as a film as fascinating with regard to the subject matter.

A true classic.   Donald Sutherland is the lead character with Leonard Nimoy and Jeff Glodblum playing supporting roles.  Filmed in San Francisco.

The movie that popularized the term "pod people"!

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You really get the impression that the movies aren't about the characters themselves, but rather, the violence the characters can inflict on others...and shown in extreme up-close detail.   Violence isn't a means to an ends in Mel Gibson movies...it IS the ends, and the whole point of the movie.  And then that's not even counting the lies and distortion, and blatant manipulation of the audience, i.e., ‘the agenda.’

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I just got through watching Idiocracy.  It thought it was pretty good, and even my father who is a big fan of capitalism and western civilization got a big kick out of it.  Most of the humor is a cross between laughing at fart jokes, and then laughing about how stupid fart jokes.  There is a lot of crude humor, and if you don't like that stuff I don't think this movie would be good for you.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

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I Can't wait to see this one...

Movie News
The Return of the King (of the World)
20th Century Fox finally greenlights James Cameron's sci-fi epic ''Avatar,'' due in 2009

Photo Credit: James Cameron: Lester Cohen/WireImage.com
All AboutJames Cameron By Jeff Jensen Jeff Jensen
Jeff Jensen, an EW senior writer, has been despondent since the cancellation of ''Twin Peaks''For all those in Hollywood who bet that James Cameron would never again make another movie... well, we hope you didn't wager a lot of money. Because after nine long years of dusting his Titanic Oscars and carefully, methodically, and maybe even nervously plotting how to follow up one of the biggest cultural phenomenons ever to come out of Hollywood, the King of the World is officially back in the director's chair. Twentieth Century Fox is announcing today that it has finalized a long-in-the-works deal to produce Cameron's next project, a sci-fi epic entitled Avatar.

The movie is likely to be one of the most technically complex productions ever mounted, as it will make extensive use of cutting edge 3-D, computer animation, and motion capture f/x technology. (Think: how Peter Jackson brought Gollum and King Kong to life.) And by the time it arrives in theaters in the summer of 2009, the movie might be one of the most expensive movies ever made; Fox is said to have greenlit the film at $200 million.

What's Avatar all about? According to previously published reports, it's an original screenplay penned by Cameron that follows a battle-scarred war vet who travels to another planet inhabited by an alien race with a distinctly different language and culture from Earth. Conflicts ensue.

Cameron begins shooting Avatar in April. Check back with EW.com later today and in the days to come for additional coverage.

Posted Jan 08, 2007

from http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20007521,00.html

Hmmm, the headline could be telling...  I haven't found anything much else yet about the plot,  but being in the middle of reading Karla Turner's "Taken" last 24hrs, it is looking interesting indeed.

I just heard about this film on the radio while in the garden just now, they were talking about the budget ($290 000 000!!!), and mainly the fact that an aussie actor, Sam Worthington, has just been given a role (they said he told James Cameron he'd have to wait another week for him as he had promised to help a mate move his fridge on the weekend lol) .  I came right in to look it up when I heard the name "Avatar", a word that has always followed me and intrigued me, now more than ever.  And there's that headline and the bit of plot info.

Yep, can't wait.

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

373 (edited by zenden 2007-01-11 10:01:22)

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hey free*world, me too.  i wanna see that movie too, and a few others.  im into that word and concept AVATAR, others on here seem to gyrate with it too.  its strikes something in me/us.  its probably the root of it, all that power that seems to generate from it.  its soooo cool that some movies are showing whats coming up/going on, is and has always been there, but not in the mainstream.  many ppl wouldnt even know what that really meant.

im freaking out at work the last 2 weeks+ and i MISS U GUYS bad. since working DAILY (icky) i havent been able to post or even be on here, for weeks, and im all weirded out without my NR.  i have wanted to say way more on blood, the BSD, the tuatha de dannan, honor, more on WIH, associated with a bunch of soul journey stuff from Cosmic Awareness.  but cant get my bookmarks here at work.  more study on life after death, with a place i wanted to show u guys, (maybe should even start a new thread on that==life after death stuff.  theres just so much on it, and its all connected).  these are the most awful, yet the damndest coolest times we're living in these days.  its all so unreal, living on earth now. i feel so apart from it all, just watching like from trees, waiting, wondering, muttering to self, silently. yet, so much more calm, with more understanding.  if i knew more specifics, id say this might be one of my favorite lives, in these years, because of what is being revealed on the planet.  watching it happen from a culmination of lives, as this personality.   i think we are all avatars, have been and will be again.  as Ahriman said in one of his posts--"In the stampede of consciousness those most aware sit in the branches of a shady tree, some watching, some planning, all waiting."  god, i loved that.

here on avatars--i thot it was cool, and it is a kinda cool site.  with a lot of links.

The Nature of Avatars

When goodness grows weak,
When evil increases,
I make myself a body.

In every age I come back
To deliver the holy,
To destroy the sin of the sinner
To establish righteousness
(Bhagavad Gita)

The actual definition: An Avatar is in incarnation of a fragment of God on Earth. Avatars that are known of in the West include, Christ, Buddha, Rama, and Krishna; but there are many others as enumerated in the Bhagavata, the story of all the major Avatars. An Avatar may be born in the home of a very pure but otherwise ordinary human mother and father. The Avatar arrives in a body that is human and mortal like others but the Avatar himself is fully aware of his complete Divinity and whatever he wills must happen. The Mahabharata and Bhagavata contain stories about the Avatar Krishna who was recognized by a few of his contemporaries as a Divine Incarnation. But most considered him their friend, enemy, or just another, if extraordinary, citizen of the community. The Avatar is born with a mission, a reason for his advent and never swerves from those goals. Avatars may accomplish tasks in miraculous ways or they may use ordinary means and instruments to accomplish their goal. The miracles, however are merely the calling card of the Divine and not the end in themselves. Those few pure souls, full of devotion, who are drawn to the Avatar may glimpse a portion of his glory and think of Him as a great saint, sage, or more rarely even recognize Him for what he is, an incarnation of the Absolute, but they are typically few in number. Powers of evil naturally oppose the powers of good, so often men of power and arrogance develop a strong hatred of divine personalities and oppose them vigorously as was the case with Christ.

Avatars, Saints and Divine Personalities
    Avatar, God born as Man
    Bhagavata Text, Narratives of Avatars
    Types of Avatars, Why God takes form on Earth
    Lives of Saints and Divine Personalities -


so cool, heres the site:  www.cosmicharmony.com   then click on avatars, sages and saints i think

"Some spiritual beings, even after attaining to Realization may choose to be reborn voluntarily to further some specific plan or purpose of the Divine. There are many examples of such types of beings in India and elsewhere who have come to accomplish various tasks. Many times their activities are carried out using very subtle means. In the East such a one is called a Sat Purush. Various religions use other terms such as a Saint, Prophet, Buddha, etc. "  wow.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

374 (edited by free*world 2007-01-11 18:11:43)

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That's all v.cool, thanks zenden, and good to see you back.  I noticed you were missing but kinda hoped you were on some nice holiday somewhere yikes . oh well. 

Not much time this end either, but am fortunate to be able to grab moments here and there.  It's all very very interwesting, isn't it.  And am having a ball with it myself, the calmness is there, synchs still, people around me waking up, others standing steadfast in sleep.  And all the time a reality that lends itself to being read and interacted with, it seems, is emerging more clearly.

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

375 (edited by Free_Your_Mind 2007-01-11 18:36:35)

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More on "Avatar"...

"His new project, Avatar, is an epic, 3-D sci-fi film about an ex-Marine on an inhospitable planet where humans can only survive by projecting their consciousness into genetically engineered bodies (a.k.a. ''avatars''). The people of earth want to exploit the planet's natural resources, of course, causing the inhabitants to revolt and a war to break out. The rub for the protagonist, named Jake (played by newcomer Sam Worthington), is that he's fallen in love with a native (Zoe Saldana), forcing him to choose a side in the battle."