Topic: Colonix colon cleansing program

I have been using the Colonix colon cleansing program for three weeks.

http://www.drnatura.com/?ovmkt=U9ED9PJT … C=standard

I think it’s a bit overpriced:  $88 for a one-month supply with 2-3 months recommended for first-time users.

Various factors came together to motivate me to try it:

1.  Reading that colon cancer is a major cause of death in the US
2.  Having some abdominal pain on my side that I believed was from the intestines, not the stomach
3.  Wanting to kill off and expel any parasites I may have picked up after 40+ years of careless eating habits
4.  Reading the customer testimonials at the Colonix website
5.  Reading evaluations of the product at other websites


I’m quite satisfied with the results so far – daily bowel movements without strain, more energy, and some improvement in skin and hair. 

At the website are photos that satisfied customers have taken of gross things that were expelled from their bodies as a result of the cleansing program.

The program has three components.  Each contains only herbs and natural ingredients.

Morning: 
herb capsules to help kill intestinal parasites
psyllium fiber powder

Evening:  herb tea

The online testimonials rave about the product and health improvements.  I haven’t had those kinds of startling changes, but am convinced enough in the workability of the system to order a second month supply.

Over the years I have sometimes sensed that when eating I was not just giving nutrients to my body but also feeding parasites living within me.

I have been eating fairly healthy for about 5 years, but I realized that if the intestines and colon are blocked or unable to fully absorb nutrients, I wouldn’t be getting the full benefits of eating a healthy diet.

A different herbal colon cleansing program is discussed in this NR thread:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3468

2 (edited by lyra 2007-01-08 09:48:55)

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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  Okay, I'm frustrated after reading through this website.  Here's why.

After perusing the website for awhile, reading all the testimonials and looking at all the gory pictures, I asked the $64,000 question........What exactly is the product that you're taking in order to produce the colon cleanse results?  Yes, it's a three step daily process - in the morning you pop the parasite pills and take the fiber, in the afternoon you pop toxin removal pills, and in the evening you drink something called "Kleri Tea," which contains 12 herbs that make you go, go, go, and then go some more.  But what exactly is "Colonix"?  What is this special fiber?  What are those 12 herbs?

Answer...

And I nearly screamed, like, DAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! when I saw it....

Psyllium husk (dirt cheap, can be purchased by itself at any health food store)

and........

Senna.

That's what made me go DAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Senna is a laxitive, and it has been known to do liver damage when taken long term.

http://www.liverdisease.com/harmfulherbs_hepatitis.html

http://www.itmonline.org/arts/laxatives.htm

http://www.theannals.com/cgi/content/abstract/39/7/1353

http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/HerbsT … na,00.html

From Colonix website, the list of ingredients in Kleri Tea:  Senna Leaf, Chamomile Flower, Fennel Seed, Peppermint Leaf, Rose Hip Fruit, Cinnamon Bark, Buckthorn Bark, Ginger Root, Milk Thistle Seed, Passion Fruit, Uva Ursi Leaf, and Natural Lemon Flavor.
http://www.drnatura.com/product_pic/kleritea_pic.html

Two out of the twelve ingredients actually pertain to laxatives - Buckthorn, (related to Cascara Sagrada) and then the Senna, with Senna being the #1 ingredient in the bunch.  It's interesting that they include milk thistle, a known liver cleanser and regenerator, in light of the destructive effects of Senna on the liver.   It's like they know what Senna does, so threw the milk thistle in there....but isn't that dishonest not to include a big warning about the dangers of Senna?  I mean, if the danger is enough that you have to include a counter-balancing herb, then maybe they should talk about it.  But that's another thing these products don't do....address what these herbs are, and what their negative side effects, if any, may be.   

I posted my own experiences here at NR awhile back with taking the ReNew Life colon cleanse back in January of 2003, and after being on this product for a month, it created "Lazy Bowel Syndrome."  Something these products don't talk about.  They don't mention the long term side effects of being on "herbal stimulants."  They glorify them but they're nothing more than nature's version of ExLax.   They artificially stimulate your bowels to poop poop poop and then poop some more...but what happens when you go off these pills?

Your bowels will  be like, "ummm....you want me to do what?  Move?  I forgot how.  What do I do again?"

After I went off the ReNew Life 30 day program my intestines just sat there and did nada.   After a week of that, and a belly that now looked 3 months preggers, I had to go out and buy more ReNew Life herbal pills.

Eventually they stopped working, and I proceeded to work my way through various herbal stimulants until landing on..........Senna.  Senna was the magic herb, so much so that I never developed immunity to it.  I wasn't taking it every day, only like every three days or so, but after awhile I began developing problems.

When I'd take the Senna I'd get a bizarre fever/chills feeling, and was experiencing intermittent, very painful cramping in my sides.  The painful cramping coupled with the fever/chills was not a pleasant feeling, at all.  Tom became concerned due to an intuitive nudging and hopped online, suspecting that Senna may not be such a good thing after all.  He's the one that discovered the big liver damage warnings about Senna, and how long term, it can wreck your liver.

Now, here's the part where it gets "woo-woo," so, bear with me.   ;)

This was in May of 2004.  I'd been on Senna now for 16 months.  Well, I experienced what I guess was a "MILABS" abduction on May 20th of that month, (my abductions were usually on schedule, the 1st - 3rd of the month, and the the 20th - 23rd) and I retained a memory of something that was said to me during that abduction even in my waking state.  Within two days of that May 20th abduction I had a memory surge of a guy saying, in a kind of eye rolling sarcastic way, "You have no idea what you're doing to your insides. In a few years, you'll be dead."  I don't think they ever NOT sound sarcastic, but, I digress.  ;) 

It was a very matter-of-fact, real warning, so much so that my brain held on to this one sliver even in my waking life.  The memory surged up once, then immediately sunk below the surface again.  Then it emerged the next day again....my brain really wanted me to remember this.....and now I remembered that I'd had this memory before but had forgotten it!  I fought to retain it, and so this time it stuck. 

I vowed that I HAD to stop taking this Senna, that day.  That was it.  Cold turkey, no more.  I WILL find another way.  I didn't doubt it was doing something bad, the guy had said...the development over time of fever/chills and volatile cramping indicated something was definitely amiss. 

Now, simultaneously in the middle of all this I had mad, MAD urges........to eat shredded wheat cereal.

I went out and bought several boxes of this stuff and started stuffing myself absolutely silly, like, 3 bowls a day, every day, and had no idea why.  (hmm....post hypnotic suggestion maybe?  "Just go eat some flippin' shredded wheat girl, what the hell....")  I kept thinking, OMG, I'm TOTALLY going to be clogged up now!  Holy cow!   But I couldn't help myself and just kept pigging out on the shredded wheat.

And lo and behold.....I started going.  On my own.  Without Senna.  Or any herbal laxative.  For the first time in 16 months.  And it kept going, and all was okay again.  So, the shredded wheat thing was a good idea...whoever planted it in there in my subconscious.  ;)  I didn't just rely on shredded wheat though, I did a complete diet overhaul, incorporating black beans, brown rice, apples, tons of water and so on, along with the whole grain cereal and it did the trick.

So yeah, I just want to pass on this warning that Senna is apparently a bad thing to be taking the way this product is having you take it.   These colon cleanses don't get into the long term effects of using these products, and it's completely irresponsible.   

After reading all the glowing testimonials on the Colonix website I'm left with one very important question..............what happens when you stop taking the product?  How well do the intestines work on their own now?  What about peristalis?  I'd be curious to hear how the after results work out, if there are indeed any problems and issues, or if everything works 100% fine.

Also, what has been done to the liver and other organs in the process?

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My conclusion is that if somebody wants to clean themselves out, then there are ways to do it that don't involve over priced products like this.

- For parasites - take cayenne pepper, liquid or capsules.  I once read a quote from the actor Billy Bob Thornton who said his doctor was amazed at his lack of parasites.  Most people have them, he apparently didn't.  He said it must be the dropperful of cayenne liquid he takes everyday.  He's totally addicted to the stuff (in a good way ;) ) and it apparently works wonders.   May not be the end-all be-all cure all, but it certainly helps, apparently!  Green hull black walnut is also supposed to be effective.

http://www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/he … epper.html


- For fiber - You can buy the same psyllium husk powder Colonix uses at any health food store, and for cheap.   Shredded wheat, raisin brain, black beans and brown rice, apples/pears (for the pectin) etc. and other forms of whole grain fibers should also be incorporated as regular, every day staples in the diet.  Some people are allergic to wheat, so substitute what works best for the individual.

- Pro-biotics - of course.  Colonix includes pro-biotics, but you can get them on your own at any health food store. 

Also enzyme supplements should be included in the works.

- And of course, lots of good water, as Colonix also tells you to do.  You have to anyway when you're on psyllium, because of the nature of the fiber.

The problem is, these form of "do it yourself" cleanses versus the pre-packaged dealies loaded with 50 billion herbs and supplements and teas and pills and powders may not achieve the same dramatic results..............but it also won't kill your liver and do who knows what else.  It's a trade off.   

However, some people seem to have such a severe situation going on that they may need the initial boost of stimulant herbs to clear up the blocked passages, and I totally understand that.  My only warning is for people who don't realize the dangers of using Colonix every day for months at a time when it contains Senna, a known liver damager, and who also don't realize the possibility of developing "lazy bowel syndrome."  When you look at the testimonials of the people in question on that website, many have a double chin...you can tell just by the face shot alone that these are tubby people who were toting around bellies with 10 - 40 pounds of built up gunk, crap and worms, the same people who stuff themselves silly every day with anything within grabbing distance and who've never heard of "fiber," "probiotics," or "enzymes."   So yeah, these people probably need the severe de-clogging that strong herbal stimulants can provide.   I just don't think these people should be on it for that long. 

Anyway, my 2 cents.  Although I think this post is long enough to be worth 10.  :D

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Re: Colonix colon cleansing program

This is a a very timely thread for me as I just ordered colonix today before i saw this thread.

Its Nice to know about Senna before i begun taking it , guess i just try it without the tea and if i dont like it get my money back.

Have to go . Ill post again later once ive tried it for a little while.

4 (edited by Free_Your_Mind 2006-12-30 01:48:12)

Re: Colonix colon cleansing program

Been researching detox/cleansing, and I just learned about a clay powder called "Pescalite" (http://www.pascalite.com/) that is hand mined and processed from a high energy vortex area in secluded Wyoming mountains. It is good for not only digestive aid/colon cleansing but can be used externally/internally for many purposes, and is very reasonably priced in my opinion, and is available in powder, pills, soap and lotions etc.

Pescalite can be used for (but not limited to...)

burns,    facial pack,  deodorant, dietary/mineral supplement
infections, oral hygiene
digestive aid/colon cleanse
detox
spider bites and bee stings    
cystic acne/rashes/skin problems

I know the same feeling of frustration Lyra, when you want to know what, how or why something works and are only being told "magical" transformations take place, this and that etc. I would much rather use the pure, bare ingredients (or Alternatives!) instead of some formulated concoction.

When I do actually get around to ordering some of this stuff, and even cleansing myself I will post my results. smile

5 (edited by lyra 2006-12-30 09:34:44)

Re: Colonix colon cleansing program

Free_Your_Mind wrote:

I know the same feeling of frustration Lyra, when you want to know what, how or why something works and are only being told "magical" transformations take place, this and that etc.

Actually, that's not what I was saying at all in my post.  At first glance, without reading all of what I wrote, it might initially seem like that's what's going on.   I talk about asking the "$64,000 question" of what exactly is in this product that makes it do what it does....but if you keep reading, I definitely provide the answer.  I know exactly what's in this product - senna, which research has warned about causing liver damage if used long term.


Piece_of_Nothing wrote:

Its Nice to know about Senna before i begun taking it , guess i just try it without the tea and if i dont like it get my money back.

Well, I'm not an expert on senna, I only know that long term it's supposed to be bad on the liver, and also feel the need to mention the possibility of lazy bowels as a result of long term herbal stimulants. (long term in this case meaning every day for over a month; that is kind of a long time for anybody's intestines and colon to be hyper-stimulated when they've never experienced that before.)  Short term, you probably won't have any issues.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Re: Colonix colon cleansing program

Consider slippery elm as part of a colon healing protocol and digestive problems, its highly recommended for Leaky gut too.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

Re: Colonix colon cleansing program

lyra wrote:

- For parasites - take cayenne pepper, liquid or capsules.  I once read a quote from the actor Billy Bob Thornton who said his doctor was amazed at his lack of parasites.  Most people have them, he apparently didn't.  He said it must be the dropperful of cayenne liquid he takes everyday.  He's totally addicted to the stuff (in a good way wink ) and it apparently works wonders.   May not be the end-all be-all cure all, but it certainly helps, apparently!  Green hull black walnut is also supposed to be effective.

http://www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/he … epper.html
Anyway, my 2 cents.  Although I think this post is long enough to be worth 10.  big_smile

I just tried a parasite cleanse a couple weeks ago.  I didn't think it would do much.  Interestingly it did.  After the first couple days I could tell something was different or "off" with my body.  I was getting headaches more often, especially in the evening.  My tummy was rumbling when I would lay down too.  I also had a lot of ups and downs throughout the day as well.  I'm not sure if this was due to killing the parasites or the herbs themselves. 

The cleanse seemed to be effective though.  I feel much more relaxed throughout the day now.  Bowel movements have normalized, usually 2-3 per day whereas before I would usually be going once per day or not at all. 

I didn't try cayanne, although I've heard it's good for the ridding of parasites and some viruses as well.  This cleanse was the standard Clark cleanse with 2-3 gram doses of black walnut hull tincture, wormwood and cloves all at once.  I'm sure it worked as advertised because I kept seeing little red wormy things in the toilet which couldn't have corresponded to anything I ate recently.  Sorry to gross you out! big_smile  I later read that these were most likely liver flukes and the red color was because they were sucking on my b12.  Interestingly, I had a holistic doctor tell me that I was deficient in b12 a couple months ago.

I've read that megadoses of co-enzyme Q10, L-cysteine, ozonated olive oil, oregano oil, chili pepper seeds are also effective against parasites.  I might try these at a later date or just for maintenance in the future. 

God, those things looked nasty!  I'm glad they're out.

Doc: Marty, you're not thinking fourth dimensionally!
Marty McFly: Yeah, I know, I got a real problem with that.

8 (edited by visavis 2006-12-30 10:47:30)

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plasticportal, did you take the tincture liquid stuff, or the pack with capsules of wormwood and cloves (like the one seen here: http://www.nutridirect.co.uk/parasite-c … 1009.html)

I'm still lookin for where I can buy this stuff in Canada.  Paying the import duty and int'l shipping is not a favorite pasttime... tongue

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

Re: Colonix colon cleansing program

visavis wrote:

plasticportal, did you take the tincture liquid stuff, or the pack with capsules of wormwood and cloves (like the one seen here: http://www.nutridirect.co.uk/parasite-c … 1009.html)

I'm still lookin for where I can buy this stuff in Canada.  Paying the import duty and int'l shipping is not a favorite pasttime... tongue

I took the wormwood and cloves in capsule form with the BWH in liquid/tincture form.  And yeah, I ordered it from a US shop, so I'm probably not much help there.  I recall as long as the herbs are fresh and the tincture is "green" it should be ok for the parasite cleanse. 

Good luck finding a local supplier.  If I run across a shop in Canada that sells this stuff I'll let you know.

Doc: Marty, you're not thinking fourth dimensionally!
Marty McFly: Yeah, I know, I got a real problem with that.

10 (edited by Lakme 2006-12-31 18:03:38)

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I use Psyllium Husks Powder by Yerba Prima.  It's very effective.  It's just psyllium seed husks.  No other ingredients.  It's widely available, and is very reasonably priced ($7 - $10 for 12oz. jar). 

It goes without saying that you should also incorporate plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables (organically grown and local are best) into your diet, and AVOID processed foods at all costs. 

Support local farmers and organic growers as much as possible, and get away from the toxic, pesticide laden, nutrition-poor foods of agribusiness that line the shelves of supermarkets.

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I still think the original website that Lyra was talking about earlier has it dead on...

http://thedoctorwitin.com

I can say this after almost 10 years of Physical Anthropology studies and evolution of nutrition and disease studies.

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I've been on the Colonix program about four or five weeks now and went through a definite detox period that first few weeks -- stuff was definitely being killed off/cleared out.  I'm only on the Colonix program and not the Toxinout.  Colonix does NOT provide you with probiotics, which you really need to take to stay in balance, so we bought some at the health food store and take those each day, too.  Toxinout comes with probiotics though.

Thanks for the warnings about senna, Lyra, I will keep that in mind. I haven't been sure whether or not to stay on the program the fully recommended two to three months just this first time since I've never done a colon cleanse before -- I'll definitely be thinking about this more!

For me there have been definite energetic things clearing out as well as the physical stuff. And for me that has all been good. My partner in crime has also been having good results so far.  So we'll report back with more info! 

(Is it a bad sign that he and I share daily poo reports and are often gleeful about what comes out? smile

For the record, in the past we have done two to three times a year some brief taking of wormwood/black walnut tincture as a seasonal cleanse, and I've also used the Don Croft zapper once in a while -- usually only when I felt like my body was trying to fight off a cold or food poisoning. Seems that if I zap soon enough, I don't get sick. 

Recently purchased a Clark zapper too but haven't been using it much.

It's good to have different tools.

Jennifer aka LipstickMystic

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I was a little disturbed by how so many people who wrote testimonials at the Colonix web site were still using the psyllium fiber after completing the initial cleanse.  The stuff is not cheap ($32 for a one-month supply when purchased separately).  I have no intention of becoming a Colonix addict.

In a few of the testimonials that I read, satisfied customers tried to make a cheaper homemade version by purchasing the ingredients from health food stores, but were unable to create a blend that gave positive results matching Colonix.  The Colonix fiber is not just straight psyllium fiber.  It contains about a dozen herbs.

After completing the initial cleanse, I’ll be looking for less expensive options to use such as those recommended by Lyra.


Re the dangers of senna

I’m not ready to write off senna, even though I can see the need for caution.  I will be doing some more research on the "lazy bowel syndrome" referred to above.

I took a look at the above links regarding senna as a source of liver damage.

The first link is to a site by Dr. Melissa Palmer.  She wrote:

Herbs that have been associated with liver disease include the following:

Black Cohosh, Buckthorn (Rhamnus cathartica), Callilepsis laureola ( Impila), Cascara  Sagrada, Celandine ( also known as greater celandine) (Chelidonium majus), Chaparral (also known as creosote bush or greasewood) (Larrea taridentata), Comfrey and other herbs containing pyrrolizidine alkaloids (heliotropium, senecio, crotalaria, symphytum),   Doxidan ( Danthron 1,8-hydroxyanthroquinone and dioctyl calcium sulfosuccinate), Germander (Teucrium chamaedrys), Green tea leaf, Groundsel (Senecio vulgaris),  Impila root, Jin Bu Huan, Kava ( also known as kava kava or Piper methysticum),  Kombucha, Lobelia (Lobelia inflata), Ma huang (ephedra), Mate (also known as paraquay tea) (Ilex paraguariensis), Mistletoe (Viscum album), Nutmeg (Myristica fragrans), Pau d’arco (La pachol), Pennyroyal (Mentha pulegium), Poke root (Phytolacca americana), Ragwort (Senecio jacoboea), Sarsparilla (Smilax species), Sassafras (Sassafras albidum), Saw palmetto – the main ingredient of the herbal preparation known as “Prostata” , Senna (Casio acutifolia), Skullcap (Scutellaria laterifolia), Soy phytoestrogen, Sweet clover (Melilotus officinalis), Tansy (Tanacetum vulgare), T’u-san-chi, Valerian (Valeriana offinalis), Woodruff (Galium odorata), Certain Chinese herbal formulas–typically a complex mixture of a variety of different herbs, Herbal preparations containing the recreational drug “ecstasy”  (3,4-Methylenedioxymetamphetamine).

That’s an awfully long list.  I suppose any herb can be harmful if excessively used.  Do you get the feeling that Melissa doesn’t like herbs?  She’s an MD.  Maybe her years in medical school biased her against herbal remedies.


Another liver/senna link was to a case where a woman damaged her liver through more than 3 years of continuous use:

‘A 52-year-old woman who had ingested, for >3 years, one liter of an herbal tea each day made from a bag containing 70 g of dry senna fruits, developed acute hepatic failure and renal impairment requiring intensive care therapy.’

The company marketing Colonix does not recommend long-term continuous use of their senna tea. (I guess that depends on what you consider 'long-term' to mean.)

The online instructions recommend that after completing 30 days on the Colonix cleanse, if you want to continue with another month of cleansing take a 5-day break from the senna tea and parasite killing capsules before continuing the cleansing program.  Here’s how they put it:

‘We recommend that before you begin your second month of cleansing, you take a five-day break from the Paranil capsules and the KleriTea, and continue taking the Colonix fiber only. On the sixth day start taking 4 Paranil capsules and resume drinking the tea each night. The reason for this break is to give your body a rest and to ‘shock’ the parasites making their elimination easier, if they’re still present, as you resume taking the 4 Paranil capsules.’

and

‘ . . . the entire Colonix & Toxinout programs are not recommended for long-term use.’ (from page 11 of the instruction booklet)

Toxinout is a separate companion program that I do not use.  One of its functions is the development of healthy intestinal flora.  Instead of using it, one thing I do is drink organic kefir daily.  There are other probiotics products at health food stores I may try later.

Another source of information on Colonix:

A lengthy forum discussion (50+ pages) titled  'Colonix & Colon Cleansing Stories'
http://forum.t-tapp.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=40837

On page 29 Vida posted a long, informative reply she received from the Colonix customer service department.

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lyra, thanks so much for getting me hooked on cayenne!  i have a lot more energy now (don't even need caffeine) and I find that I'm using the bathroom a lot more (i've only been taking this stuff since last Thursday).  We have two cats in my apartment and I don't want to know how many parasites they leave around, especially the 15 year-old one who is ridiculously overweight.  I purchased a bottle of 600mg capsules (40,000 heat units) with ginger.  This is probably TMI, but going to the bathroom seems a bit... hotter now.  It's nothing painful, it just feels like the pepper is working.  Is that normal?  I would imagine so.

Have anyone here tried "the master cleanse" (drinking cayenne/lemon juice/maple syrup in water)?  i was reading about it through amazon, and it sounds dreadful... not eating for 10 days?  I think I may try it this year, but with a light diet of whole foods.  Thanks again.

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MadSketcher ,

If Ya haven’t already been there, CureZone is a good place for tons of info. and shared experiences.

Personally did MC a few times a number of years back, longest was 28 days.

Master Cleanser Support Forum
http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=478

General
http://www.curezone.com/forums/?v=0&o=0

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