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LipstickMystick wrote:

The only way I've found to stop the spread of the contagion is either to avoid the person or to teach that person how to undo the Reiki initation and break off those ties and disconnect from the entities. Then their natural healing powers usually bounce right back and they get really happy and well again.

I feel like a geek to ask, but would you mind describing some methods you've experienced that helped "break the ties" to Reiki initiation? My initiations into Reiki level I and II happened about six months before my and my fiance's life fell totally apart financially, socially and professionally.

I had never been to a New Age bookstore before moving near Berkeley in '03, and was very excited to find a shop with big baskets full of crystals pieces with their metaphysical properties listed on little notecards, and books for sale on everything from traditional Mexican shamanism to feminist Goddess worship to cutting-edge ET channeling and David Icke books. All new to me! The resident Reiki practitioner was a man a couple years older than me (late 20s) who later told me that he was an ordained Minister of Melchizedek, and even said that if I wanted to I should go to a retreat in another state and I could be ordained too! He was very blissed out about it. He told me how he used to do mushrooms a lot, and was a pothead, but then got really into Indian mysticism, cleaned up, and had several open-eye visions of Buddha and Krishna during his meditations. He was very "into" Krishna and Ganesh, and had a friend who I saw give a talk on "using the energy of Kali(!) to obliterate the useless ego" at a yoga studio. Very dark eyes on that friend, a dark glare, a lot like Ben Stiller.

I came into his office a few times for Reiki treatments, which basically I didn't feel did anything for me. I was just beginning to suffer from chronic back pain from a mild scoliosis in the middle of my back, which has since turned into a "pain and short breath everyday for the past three years" kind of pain. Reiki didn't help with that at all. After a few $45/hour sessions, he suggested I attend his Reiki initiation, as then I could do it on myself and start healing others. The class was a mix of totally goofy, oblivious Berkeley college kids who also had never seen a New Age bookstore before, and a few middle-aged white folks with very tired faces, who told us about all the other classes they took. I recall one man who called himself an EFT Therapist, which I later found out doesn't take much since you can get the coursebook for free online and just start doing it for your friends. He told me all types of stories about how he helped Vietnam veterans, too traumatized to re-enter society, to break through their repressed memories and reclaim their shattered psyches.. all from a couple sessions of EFT! Well, it sounded amazing... although four months later, having done EFT several times a day and experiencing nothing more than the usual "subtle tingling" that I associate with so many New Age healing modalities, I could no longer believe experientially that EFT could have such an effect on people. Especially when I was aware of how difficult it is for survivors of trauma-based mind control to regain any of their memories, even after decades of therapy, it hardly made any sense that tapping the accupressure points could trigger any such release.

I'm getting sidetracked. I posted about EFT before in another topic. Point is, I was not very impressed with the Reiki crowd, and they extended no welcome to me either. I paid for the classes, got the Level I and II initiations within about a month of each other, and basically never saw the folks again and had no interest in going to the "local community Reiki circle" which consisted of the same four people in my class, and nobody else. Since then the Reiki teacher moved to Hawaii, where he told me that he was being initiated into the secret traditions of the Kahuna.

I feel as though my "ties" to Reiki have been broken, in the sense that I rarely think about it, I rarely think about my old teacher, and I have lost all interest in working to continue learning the system. But should I consciously be intending something to the effect of "All entities and energies aligned with Reiki are here-by cast out and disconnected from my physical, energetic and spiritual bodies on all levels of existence, throughout all points in time and potential."?

Or is there something more specific like "I here-by insist that Dave The Reiki Demon leave me the f*k alone, so mote it be!"?

LipstickMystick wrote:

This essay should be read as a "primer" by anyone thinking of taking yoga or considering taking it again.  In my experience, when taking yoga, you have about a three week period during which the entities attached to the yoga ley lines (especially Hatha Yoga or "beginner's yoga") will battle for control of you.  And you either fend them off and suddenly feel an aversion to going to class and stop going, or you sign on with them. There are no other choices.

Wow. Yep. Exactly. I intuitively came to this conclusion several years ago, and never wanted to express it to anyone because of the inevitable "ehh, you're just being a paranoid grumpuss". Well, this was just what I experienced, and I have tried to take yoga classes a few different times years ago, and have NEVER been able to keep up with it, even when in my head I was thinking "I really SHOULD go to the yoga class today, I'm all sore and I haven't excercised in a couple days.." but I just couldn't force myself to go.

Any impressions on Tai-Chi? I really like the idea of it, but again I took a class several years ago, and as soon as the class was ended my Tai-Chi practice stopped dead. It just felt like it "doesn't do anything", and when you start thinking "well... maybe I should do it for like a full hour, this time... maybe next time I'll do it for an hour and a half..." it feels more like a desperate WISH for it to work, rather than any intuitive "this is the right thing" kind of sense. I think this applies to yoga as well, I've known people who did yoga for HOURS a day, and they were extremely dysfunctional people, far from being what I would consider "healthy".

Tim

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LipstickMystic wrote:

The other problem with yoga is that each line of yoga that has to do with physical postures (vs. the ones that are just breath-centered forms of yoga like arhatic) has this weird thing going on. The specific postures act as an "alphabet" or vocabulary for CONJURING UP VARIOUS RELATED ENTITIES. It is A MAGICAL LANGUAGE OF PHYSICAL MOVEMENT. Pretty wild.

Ah yes, you posted this while I was posting. I was going to mention the same thing. The body poses are basically the equivalent of full-body-Mudras. Mudras are normally hand positions with specific meaning and intent behind them, sort of like a password to a certain consciousness or meditation state. The sun salutation feels nice, but it begs the question, why are these specific poses used rather than other ones? It seems like a code, for sure.

LipstickMystic wrote:

But Lyra, to go back to your original idea, doing physical movements that you yourself design and desire, that come from the native wisdom of your own body, are perfectly fine.

Yes! This is the true yoga. There are stretches that are not in any book that I have been "intuitively" motivated to do for minutes at a time, that felt MUCH better than any by-the-book stretch I got from a class. I recently got an excercise ball, which is great for doing yoga-style stretching without having to actually "do yoga". smile

Tim

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One last follow up before the holidays suck me away for a few days -- sorry I don't have more time to respond in depth, those are great comments, Tim!  Thanks so much for sharing your impressions.

I have a few specific invocations or areas you can focus on to permanently remove Reiki ties toward the bottom of this archived article:  (you may have already seen it)

http://www.lipstickmystic.com/articles/ … aling.html

But yes, it basically comes down to sending "Dave the Reiki demon" packing -- smile -- I loved that.  And also breaking off all spells, vows and spiritual contracts, occult symbols, and interpersonal cords of energy to your Reiki instructor and all the other Reiki students you studied with. And then picture sealing the doorway or hole to that energy, close up the vortex. You can use intention, color, sound, sage, everything or anything, just any tools that work right for you.

Thanks for reminding me about mudras!  I couldn't remember the word for the combination of using a physical gesture and tying it into a specific energy property, entity, etc.  These do "dial up" certain entities. The problem is, they're not usually friendly ones!

You asked about T'ai Chi -- as with yoga, it was something I kept THINKING I should learn, right?  If you're gonna be a true holistic chick. So about ten years ago I tried out two classes with a very "normal" seeming yuppie housewife T'ai Chi teacher.  I didn't have the extreme aversion to this technique as I have with other martial arts, with yoga and with Reiki. So for me, the jury is still out on T'ai Chi. My fellow students gave me major creeps and one guy who was particularly "controlled' by something was already trying to hit on me big-time, so I left that reality behind immediately.

And yeah, I want to be clear that many years ago I THOUGHT that yoga must be good if everybody else was doing it, and that I was probably being neglectful in my pursuit of all things spiritual and metaphysical if I didn't try it out....so in no way did I go into it with a predisposition to thinking it was negative. Believe me, I was pretty freaked out by the entity stuff that immediately began to manifest. And I kept telling myself it was "ME" and not the teacher or the technique or these entities being associated with it - because I wanted yoga to be good. This was a basic hatha yoga I was taking at a yoga institute.  I lasted about two and a half weeks, by the end of the third session, I just couldn't go anymore -- had such a severe aversion and by then had put two and two together about the entities being associated with yoga directly.

Then I tried it again (DUH!) with a different teacher years later - still WANTING yoga to be a good thing -- and the same crap happened, only this time the critters hit me hard and fast. I couldn't even attend a second session because they were coming at me so strongly. I guess they knew they'd better attach to me fast and grab hold because I might leave them again!  smile 

The second time around, interestingly enough, they nabbed my astral body in a lucid dream scenario.  In this "dream" which wasn't a dream (I was completely lucid throughout and carefully observing what was happening) there were all these New Age types sitting in a classroom on these bleechers.  There were various Nordic/albino humanoids standing in front, and they were extremely arrogant about how lucky we all were to have the privilege of learning from them, and how stupid we were basically, and how they've been teaching this same important stuff to us dating back to pre-Egyptian times, but we still dont' appreciate it, yada yada.  Very funny if they weren't so EVIL and icky.  They have real egos, for sure!    And all of the students in the class were all like "Wow, what an honor! These amazing ET beings have chosen us to study with them!" And I'm sitting there going, "What a bunch of f***heads."  smile

When I finally extricated myself from the second course (I called to cancel my involvement before attending the second session,) that night they made one last grab at me, and they were trying to inflict so much fear about all the bad things that would happen to me if I didn't continue studying yoga.  These were the Nordics hassling me through psychic attack both during waking and sleep-time.  Their energy is extremely "mobster" like, they are real bullies. By then I'd had enough "sampling" of the whole yoga deal and took out my combat boots smile  Hopefully they still have the imprint on their behinds.

So anyway, I'd say everybody should still discern for themselves around all this stuff, be it energy work, EFT (which I'm not familiar with,) Reiki, T'ai Chi, and the more aggressive forms of martial arts, and of course yoga. Pay extremely careful attention to your emotional state -- how do you feel after you start studying these things? And your dream state -- any disturbed sleep? Abductions kicking up? Nasty nightmares? And also it's important to examine your personal life -- girlfriend split up with you without warning? Parents or roommates acting insane? Pets behaving weirdly?  Because others in your immediate environment will be affected if there is any "infection" going on.

One thing I have observed with all the martial arts including t'ai chi and all the forms of yoga I've checked out is that they have this property of overenergizing the chakras and the auric field, overheating everything, and if there is infection or psychic debris already within the person's system, doing these things will create almost an energetic "fever" within the aura. And this person will usually also be feeling blissed out or tranced out or overly energized, and if they allow this to continue, that's when the negs can easily sneak in. Reiki also seems to "overheat" the energy system in this way.  (You can counteract this both by sweeping out the energy debris from the aura and chakras, drumming or using sound vibration to drive it off, or energizing with cooling light whitish blue energy to cool everything off.)

Okay, that's all for now!  Happy holidays and happy winter solstice, everyone -- catch ya next week or so. Thanks for letting me share my perceptions about stuff.  I realize not everyone will agree, but I think it's good to see some contrarian views. And please know that for every person like me speaking up about this, there are literally dozens if not hundreds of others I've connected with who have had similar experiences and perceptions but aren't publishing much about this at this time. I do hope this will change in the years ahead, as it gets a little annoying taking the "hits" that come with being the first contrarian at the table smile I'd like to share the joy!

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

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LipstickMystic, you menchoned the black headless people/things I was wondering what they are, do, or are capable of. Do you have any more information about them? I have seen them once and didn't know what they were, all I knew was that that were bad news. Any information would be very helpful in trying to figure out what happened in the rest of the situation. Thanks

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Thanks for the thoughtful response, LM. You are very kind to share all your impressions here. Go enjoy your holidays! Go easy on the figgy pudding! wink

Tim

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Wow.... this is all very scary --- I've done just a little Yoga this past year and I always felt better after the exercise - I guess just the same as you would w/ any form of exercise ...(moving O2)... if we are  all this vulnerable - how in the world do any of us get thru life w/o succombing to the negs by the time we're grown up ... leave alone by the time we're 50!   It just gets 'knee-deep in trying to discern right from wrong?:mad:

The mills of the Gods grind slow, but oh, how fine they grind.!

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A few years ago someone offered to do a "Reiki healing" for me - and I was manipulated into agreeing to this but that is a loooong story - anyway I don't know what this woman actually did to my energy but it really screwed me up.  It took me a long time to recover from that and I still don't know if I've repaired myself properly yet.  I know she had an evil intent, she meant to hurt me. 

I am sure most people have a sincere interest in Reiki and are not really out to hurt people.  But I get the sense that it opens people to forces that ARE out to hurt people.  And so many people will justify the negative effects they cause others by taking pride in their belief that they are doing good.

I have seen people on the internet who flaunt their Reiki title and status so much, they literally can't post anything or communicate with anyone without mentioning it.  It seems like there is a lot of ego involved in it, and brainwashing too.  Like it becomes such a huge part of who they are, they can't separate themselves from it at all, they don't leave home without it.   

Now the one who interfered with me didn't advertise herself as a healer, and she even asked me not to tell anyone about it.  Which is because she was just using the practice for her own dark purposes.  It goes without saying but it's really never a good idea to accept a healing/reading/whatever from someone you don't know very well.  No matter if it's offered for free, you can still end up paying a huge price.

It is unbelievable the lengths people will go to for gaining access to your energy.  The bottom line is if someone truly wants to hurt you, there is only so much they can do remotely.  They have to get into your awareness somehow, to make you receptive to it.  They can impose a series of situations on you to make you feel you are under attack, and when you are worn down sufficiently, they present a solution, ie. if you just accept this healing, or this amulet, or this protective ritual it will help.  And what actually happens is they just put their hooks in you further.

All the comments here about yoga are really interesting.  My thought on it is that holding your body locked into certain poses would create an unusual energy signature.  So it's more about the energy pattern than the poses themselves.  And the overall pattern of holding the body rigid is going to attract entities who want someone willing to be under control.  It's like you are showing them how dedicated you are to controlling yourself and fighting impulses, and parasites love that.

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Found a copy of that Men's Vogue that Lipstick Mystic mentioned earlier in this thread, with the article about the "yoga widow."  It normally wouldn't even occur to me to look at any Vogue magazine, but when I saw it on the stand I was like, "heyyyy....that's the one LM was talking about!"  Found the article in question, and it was interesting.   That article, in conjunction with LM's explanatory post about the yoga poses being a form of physical magic that conjures up "stuff," now gives me a better understanding of the strain and stress and contortion on the body and what these people are actually doing to themselves. 

The article was interesting because the guy outlines the changes his girlfriend went through.  He also mentions the glossy vacant stares of the yoga girls he'd see at Whole Foods rummaging for root vegetables.  big_smile  haha  It ends with him being single again, divorced after five years of marriage, and having a flirtacious moment with a woman shopper at Whole Foods....til he notices the OM/sanskrit tattoo on her shoulder blade.  She rounds a corner to the right and glances back to see if he's going to follow her.  He turns left.  wink   

If there are dangers associated with Reiki and Yoga, people need to hear about it, so thanks for sharing what you know LM.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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LipstickMystic wrote:

And to be really politically incorrect, Hebrew letters when you scan them (as the neo-Kabbalah people from Rav Berg's group advise you to do to become enlightened or to heal or to access "good" energy) hooks into the albino/Nordics as well.

Which raises a lot of interesting and disturbing questions about the very nature of language and letters itself.

Remember the whole Tower of Babel story and the alleged scattering of the languages that happened in ancient times?  Mankind supposedly had a shared, telepathic language before then, and so man was unable to "lie' to another man because untruths were immediately detected.

Then you perhaps had "God" or ET's masquerading as godlike beings scattering humanity across the globe, isolating them, instilling what we now use as language, and suddenly......

Man became capable of deception and lies.  Because without telepathic abilities, it's hard to discern truth.

So....is language itself a tool to make us in "Their" image?  To turn us into deceptive, easily controlled, manipulated beings who have lost their spiritual sovereignty?

Interesting possibilities.

Ok, great idea here LM.  I'm thinkin' yea.  There is certainly something deeper to this biblical story.  Read closely (between the lines, if need be):

Bible, new international version wrote:

Genesis 11

1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.

I do wonder if the Hebrew text implies more "communication" rather than vocal "speech."  Anyone knowledgeable in Hebrew here?

Bible, new ineternational version wrote:

2 As men moved eastward, {Or from the east; or in the east} they found a plain in Shinar {Bayblonia} and settled there.
3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."

Cue the 'Jehovah' character:

Bible, new international version wrote:

5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building.

If God is everwhere, then who is this "Jehovah / LORD" character that is "coming down"?  roll

Bible, new international version wrote:

6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."

8 So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel {That is, Babylon; Babel sounds like the Hebrew for confused} –because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

So, the "LORD" is purposefully truncating and even eliminating human peace, togetherness, communication, abilities, and potential.  I wonder if there is a logical way to come to any other conclusion than this... if so please share. 

It's a mess, I tells ya!  cool

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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Back in 4th grade when I joined an "advanced learning program" called G.A.T.E. our teacher (upon reflection, a bizarre and "out there" person) had the class do stretches all the time, couldn't say if it was "Yoga" but I never liked them, and she had us do "visualization" techniques (I remember one instance; with an "aura cleansing" impression) why the hell would they be instructing kids to do this, it was way over our heads.

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Visavis--check this out.  they say everything is symbology and code, in pictoral form.  says language is really visual.

http://www.resurrectisis.org/vislang.htm

http://www.resurrectisis.org/Tower1.htm

http://www.resurrectisis.org/Babel1.htm

this is a cool site.  u can "do" ur fav numbers, and ur name, or at least initials.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Zenden,
I found the link about visual languages to be quite interesting.

Basically, it shows etymology of the letters themselves.

The underlying meaning behind a form.

The link is that the topic of yoga positions was discussed, and the idea that yoga poses or forms can have energetic effects.

Examining underlying symbology.

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Hi all, interesting post here.. I definitely have been leery of getting involved with reiki and yoga myself, but primarily because all the people I have encountered who have recommended it have been really sketchy energetically. I have had several suspected reptilian OPs (who have been working in health food stores no less) "helpfully" recommend yoga as a way of clearing my energy channels and helping to restore health. I notice that they will mix lies with truths in order to lead you on 99% of the time. They will tell you something that is a well known health fact like "lemons are acidic but will turn alkaline in your digestive system to help you alkalize your body which will help with health" and "you should also get into yoga to help as well". I had a fellow who was really suspicious and giving me some real weird vibes recommend reiki at an event I was at. He mentioned that he had been to a reiki institute and I knew that there was something not right about it (this is before I knew much about reiki). I literally had a cold chill down my spine encountering this guy.

So, the "LORD" is purposefully truncating and even eliminating human peace, togetherness, communication, abilities, and potential.  I wonder if there is a logical way to come to any other conclusion than this... if so please share.

As far at this goes I believe he did this because were not doing it for simple togetherness and peace like you mentioned, they were doing it as a way of standing up to God and his authority.  I believe that it is implied here that the drive of the people was based out of arrogance and pride and those are things that the Lord of the hologram dislikes.. Thats why he was angered by it and scattered them to the wind. It could also be said that by doing so he created the initiative for humanity to have diversity through various cultures as it was implied here that there was one culture and race on the Earth at this point. As far as being omnipresent but being in one place that is summed up pretty easily in the fact that he manifested in physical form in 3d. Of course he knows what is going on everywhere- he set up the original values for all the variables in the beginning of the hologram and set them in motion. Naturally, knowing the original values of all the variables for everything and how they interact with one another would allow him know the values at the end. Thats why he says he is the alpha and the omega- because he is present in all places at all times. Which brings up the question, if Lucifer "satan" is the prince of darkness- then who is the king of darkness? Well.. the LORD is of course. There would not be evil or darkness unless he created it. Or at least thats my take on it anyway.. smile

Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing by any means shall harm you. Luke 10:19

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I dunno... I personally, have not experienced any "problems" of any kind associated with reiki either in my own life or any second hand in the lives of the people who I "work" on.  Many come back asking for more help.  I have yet to see any proof that the reiki symbols are based in Sanskrit (even pulled up a list of the sanskrit alphabet to attempt to make comparisons, finding none).  To me it sounds a lot like most of these problems have less to do with the reiki and more to do with the people "doing" it.  Lack of understanding in how the energy systems of the body function (training), lack of spiritual understanding in the self (ego), lack of permission from the "client's" higher self (freewill violation) lack of understanding what it is that the "client" actually needs, for instance sometimes a slight change in diet, some exercise or even just a good long talk can do more for a person than an hour of laying on a table. Despite what a lot of reiki people constantly say, I don't agree that reiki can do no harm.  I don't believe that reiki uses only "white light" or "love" and I don't believe any partially trained yuppie housewife should be doing it on anyone other than themselves.

But at the same time I don't believe it is a system of energy healing that should have these blanket accusations made against it.  Yes, the teachers usually don't do their job of training properly.  Yes, the students are usually clueless.  But again, these are problems with the practicioners, not the energy itself, IMO.

Incidently, I would like all of you who disagree with me to know that I am not intending there to be any energy sent to you, whether reiki energy (as that would be a freewill violation that I will not participate in or condone, and am disgusted that others have) or any kind of malign intent, as you are entitled to your opinions, and I was sharing mine, nothing more.

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Celephais wrote:

I dunno... I personally, have not experienced any "problems" of any kind associated with reiki either in my own life or any second hand in the lives of the people who I "work" on.

Good for you!  Maybe you have a natural screening mechanism of some kind that allows you to access spiritual energy really cleanly, and so you aren't passing along any "ick" with your work. A really sincere big heart can do a lot to mitigate the more problematic aspects I've witnessed with Reiki, although I don't think it will always prevent troubles.  It certainly helps though!

Celephais wrote:

I have yet to see any proof that the reiki symbols are based in Sanskrit (even pulled up a list of the sanskrit alphabet to attempt to make comparisons, finding none).

In Reiki III the Sanskrit symbol Raku is often passed along in attunements.  And the others are Japanese Kanji interpretations of earlier Sanskrit writings. So you've got a weird mixing of the energies of the original Sanskrit and then that's overlaid with Kanji. You know -- that might even be part of the problem right there!  If language is tapped into certain ley lines of metaphysical energy, which I believe it might be, and if language also ties into certain ancient entity groups who GAVE humans language (or influenced its development after we fell out of oneness,) might there be a weird mix of two different, not entirely compatible, entity groups going on with the mixing of these symbols?

So you have the Sanskrit critters (these are a very distinguishable group of entities; I see them in the energy fields of every person I've known who either received a Reiki treatment or who has been initiated into Reiki -- they tend to hang out and try to convince folks that they are "spiritual guides." Oy!)  And then you have whatever energies might be uniquely tied to Kanji.  This could cause a sort of muddling of energies, or a mixture that can be experienced as something incompatible to the person receiving those symbols through a healing session .

Celephais wrote:

To me it sounds a lot like most of these problems have less to do with the reiki and more to do with the people "doing" it.  Lack of understanding in how the energy systems of the body function (training), lack of spiritual understanding in the self (ego), lack of permission from the "client's" higher self (freewill violation) lack of understanding what it is that the "client" actually needs, for instance sometimes a slight change in diet, some exercise or even just a good long talk can do more for a person than an hour of laying on a table.

These are all very excellent points and definitely factor into the equation, I believe.

Celephais wrote:

Despite what a lot of reiki people constantly say, I don't agree that reiki can do no harm.  I don't believe that reiki uses only "white light" or "love" and I don't believe any partially trained yuppie housewife should be doing it on anyone other than themselves.

Yes, Reiki isn't just "null" energy that automatically "fixes" whatever needs fixing. It is definitely the ADDITION of something to that person's field, and oftentimes, this process is not a pleasant or comfortable one for the client.  So practitioners do need to be very careful about just WHAT they envision Reiki to be -- or not to be -- and think carefully through about just what they are doing to a patient. I think in the rush to gain Reiki I and Reiki II initiations in one weekend (very common among practitioners, unfortunately,) a lot of these steps about discernment and accountability and finer energy sensitivity are missed.

Celephais wrote:

But at the same time I don't believe it is a system of energy healing that should have these blanket accusations made against it.  Yes, the teachers usually don't do their job of training properly.  Yes, the students are usually clueless.  But again, these are problems with the practicioners, not the energy itself, IMO.

I dunno. At what point am I allowed to be critical of something and say I have grave concerns about something?  Is it after one person dies after receiving the technique?  Two? Ten?  I have ten cases of death that I can directly trace to occurring after receiving Reiki treatment.  And I have dozens more of SUSPICIOUS deaths that SEEM to be associated with Reiki but don't have such a clean "cause/effect" that can be "objectively" traced.

And then there are dozens of cases of other health crises people have experienced after receiving Reiki that did NOT behave as typical "detox" or "healing crises" situations -- I'm talking flatlining, heart attack, stroke, mental or nervous breakdown, psychotic episodes, and more.  This is culled from all the cases I've been gathering notes on over the years from a) my own healing practice as an intuitive counsellor, which put me in direct orbit with many Reiki practitioners and their patients b) corroborative experiences of other professional healers and c) cases and communications gathered from healers and holistic people I don't personally know that well from all over the world, but 90% of these folks I have been able to check out in terms of their credentials and so forth as being "legit" and knowing what they are talking about.

Dozens of cases, probably more like over a hundred, that seem to provide very STRONG negative evidence of Reiki being the DIRECT cause of some very bad stuff. 

At what point, then, am I allowed to be critical and continue my "blanket accusations?"  What further research must I do?  How many more people have to die?

Just let me know. smile

Celephais wrote:

Incidently, I would like all of you who disagree with me to know that I am not intending there to be any energy sent to you, whether reiki energy (as that would be a freewill violation that I will not participate in or condone, and am disgusted that others have) or any kind of malign intent, as you are entitled to your opinions, and I was sharing mine, nothing more.

I appreciate this.  Because most Reiki practitioners I know and have known would have gotten busy sending me Reiki before even typing up their response within this thread.

And, well, I'd just have to send it back -- with the heel of my boot gently propelling it along smile

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

More info:

"Usui Reiki symbols are not as mysterious as they might seem. They have actually been created from Japanese kanji which means they are simply words from the Japanese language. Their names can be found in a Japanese/English dictionary. The first two symbols vary from this somewhat. While the names of the Power and Mental/Emotional symbols are Japanese, the symbols themselves may be shamanic or a combination of Sanskrit and Japanese kanji. It is a practice of Japanese Buddhists' to sometimes combine ancient Sanskrit with Japanese kanji in their sacred writings and symbols so the way these first two symbols are drawn may have been influenced by this practice. The distant and Master symbols are completely Japanese kanji, both in their names and in the way they are drawn and all the characters can be found in a Japanese/English dictionary."

http://www.reiki.org/reikinews/usuisym.html


"The Reiki symbols are Sanskrit-derived Japanese forms. It is believed that all languages of the world are derived from Sanskrit. The Vedas are the oldest texts know to man and these are written in Sanskrit. According to the Vedas, Sanskrit is the language of the spirit world."

http://www.indobase.com/reiki/info-for- … mbols.html

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About Karuna Reiki, which is a different system from Usui Reiki I believe:

KARUNA REIKI
Karuna is a Sanskrit word which means 'compassionate action'. This compassion is associated with Kwan Yin (the Chinese Goddess of compassion and mercy) and the unbounded sea of love, which, when combined with wisdom, can bring enlightenment. It evolved out of Usui and Tibetan Reiki.

http://www.reikiliving.com/Karuna%20Reiki%20Symbols.htm

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This one is a very visually annoying page that takes a while to load, but in the secton where it talks about Reiki III it says:

"There is also three Reiki 3 or Masters symbols.

DAI KO MYO - is used both for attunement and healing and it works on the spiritual body level, healing the soul.
DUMO - is a Tibetan Master Symbol representing the fiery heat of the kundalini.
RAKU - is a Sanskrit symbol often used when passing attunements. "

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More on the origins of Reiki:

http://www.reiki.org/reikinews/rootsreiki.html
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So there would appear to be a mixture of Japanese and Sanskrit language influences woven into the symbols.  Somewhere I also read that the Sanskrit symbol for "Om" is woven into one of the Reiki levels. Maybe level one?

And lastly, here is a list from one website about some of the very many types of Reiki classes that are being offered. Talk about splintering and fragmentation!  How could any system passed along so many different "branches" remain "clean?"

This list taken from:

http://www.training-classes.com/course_ … _study.php

Archangelic Seichim Reiki Home Study</A></li>
Ascension Reiki Home Study
Attraction Reiki Home Study
Aura Empowerment Reiki Home Study
Aurora Reiki Home Study
Celtic Reiki Home Study and Live class
Crystal Reiki Master Home Study
Dolphin Trilogy Reiki Home Study
Dos Rios Reiki Home Study
Elemental     Reiki Master Home Study
Empowerment Reiki Home Study
Excalibur Reiki Home Sudy
Gendai Reiki Home Study
Gold Reiki Home Study
Golden Triangle Healing Home Study
Imara Reiki Home Study
Inner Light Reiki Home Study
Karmic Reiki Home Study
Karuna Ki Reiki Home Study
Karuna Reiki  Live Class
Kundalini Reiki Home Study
Lightarian Reiki Level 1 & 2 Home study
Ma'heo'o Reiki Home Study
Medicine Buddha Reiki Home study
Medicine Reiki Home Study
Money Reiki Home Study
Nature Elements Reiki Home Study
OBE Reiki Home Study
Raku Kei Reiki Home Study
Sacred Moon Reiki Home Study
Seichim Reiki Home Study
Sekhem System Home Study
Seven Pearls of Reiki Home study
Threshold Reiki Home Study
Tibetan Reiki Home Study
Usui Shiki Ryoho Home Study
Violet Flame Reiki Home Study
White Dove Reiki Home study

smile That's a heckuva lot of Reiki!

LM