16 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2004-08-21 09:32:39)

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veritas wrote:

  i am in portland.  hi, neighbor.  lyra

Portland....well, I'm definately a former neighbor, so add me to the mix.  smile   I only lived there for 4 months.   And quite an interesting 4 months it was.   Portland is ripe with conspiracy.  It's one of the Illuminati headquarters.   There's symbolism all around relating to the Illuminati in Portland, if you keep your eyes and ears open.   Look on all the police cars, what do you see?   Roses.   Portland is "The City of Roses."  Roses = Rosicrucians.   Everything is named Columbia up there, including the river.   Columbia is major MAJOR Brotherhood word, most notably in Washington, District of Columbia.   There's so much, just take a look.  Even the weather isn't what they claim it to be.  It's manipulated.   Saw the planes that would buzz around and around and around and around north Portland, for hours.  The end result is the clouds would gather and eventually it would rain, turning an otherwise clear and starry night into more rainy gloom.    Keep everybody inside, keep 'em in front of the t.v., drinking.   Conspiracy aside, it was pretty much the coolest place I've ever lived.   If they didn't have such a problem with high unemployment, rampant alcoholism and poverty and conspiracy galore, I might have stuck around and gotten an apartment downtown.   At any rate, there's just so much juicy conspiracy NWO Illuminati stuff going on up there it could warrant its own separate thread.   Thread for another time, I guess.

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i can understand your compassion for him.

   

Well, I don't really have compassion for him.  I'm neutral for the most part.  Like I said, I never thought twice about him until reading that quote. (btw, the quote you excerpted was the one I remember reading, so thanks for posting that...)  Mind control is an interesting theory actually.   I believe that most major cash cow celebrities with handlers are mind controlled to some extent.    Madonna, Britney Spears, Mariah Carey, a not-too-bright thug chump like Mike Tyson, etc.   If you look closely with many of them, you'll see the symbolism and signs.

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Boxing?  BAH!!!!  But that's me.  I just don't understand two men (or women, as is happening these days) beating the kwap out of one another for "sport", or money.  But again, that's my outlook.

At any rate, in direct comparison to Tyson, Muhammad Ali was a great consciousness awareness raiser.  I never respected him until I attended a Civil Rights class in college... then my eyes were opened as to his presence on the planet.

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Tyson.
i agree with the original poster's idea that perhaps Tyson's soul has been in the position of Warrior in past lives. more than warrior, something terribly physically monstrous. i cant even imagine it.
but i dont agree that hes a good role model at all. he is damn crazy. ...but good luck if hes getting on track now. geez, remember that insane tattoo he put on his face???

anyways...

Madonna

one thing- do you consider it "positive" that Madonna, supporting Meditation/Kabbalah and things like this as of late, has had a positive influence upon the millions who watch her, causing them to perhaps to open up spiritually ?

its something we've been talking about, but i noticed you referencing Madonna in the opposite light.

if u wanna see our conversation its called Soul Survivors;
http://zonabi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496

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19 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2004-08-22 12:56:09)

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zonabi wrote:

  Madonna

one thing- do you consider it "positive" that Madonna, supporting Meditation/Kabbalah and things like this as of late, has had a positive influence upon the millions who watch her, causing them to perhaps to open up spiritually ?

Do I consider it positive that Madonna supports Kabbalah....no, not really.  It's not necessarily "negative", but it's not positive either.   Nothing about her strikes me as sincere, warm, or genuine.   I don't look at her and see a woman who's spiritual, I see a cold nasty person who uses people and situations to advance herself and her career.   The truth about Madonna goes a lot deeper than what most people are only willing to see on the surface.   


zonabi wrote:

but i noticed you referencing Madonna in the opposite light.

Yeah, I do not like the woman.   She's one of the few celebrities that gets under my skin.  I saw a VH-1 special years back where she was taking a camera man on a tour of the places where she used to live and showing everybody where she first got her big "breaks."   Her attitude in general was snobby, very snippy and bitchy, anything but warm and nice.  And she was affecting this phony pretentious pseudo-English accent.   She came across as soulless, is the only way to put it.  I'm not saying she IS soulless, but she has no vibe.  Just coldness.   I just think she's disgusting in general, although she has created some fantastic music.   Weird paradox there.

I believe most of what could be going on with Madonna is that she's mind controlled, and has been for most of her career.   There's so much I could say on this subject, I even have two particularly interesting website links that I could post if anybody wants more information.    It's really a topic for an entirely new thread altogether.   Could start a topic called "Mind Controlled Celebrities."   Talk about who's who and what's what, and the evidence for it, and how these mind controlled puppet celebs are being used to advance certain Illuminati agendas.   There's Britney the former Mouseketeer and her whole "Onyx Tour" thing.....look closer on that one.  That whole thing smacks of Illuminati programming symbolisms.    There's Mariah Carey obsessed with her butterflies and rainbows, married to the head of Sony, kept as a slave in his mansion, until having a breakdown at age 30.   Project Moriah = Butterflies = Monarch programming = Rainbows = Over the Rainbow / Wizard of Oz, sex slaves who are programmed to self destruct at age 30, like clockwork.   Look closer at the lyrics to Madonna's song "Live To Tell."   It's the best song she ever did, and the lyrics say it all about what's going on with her.

Most high profile cash cow celebrities are "kept", or belong to somebody / something.  They're property, a possession, despite the illusion that they live on their own, or have their own families.

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Re: Mind Controlled Celebrities

I think that's an interesting topic, for sure.  Start it up if you are so inclined.

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Yeah, programmed muli "barbie?" huh...  Even Stevie Wonder can see through that, but that is just my own opinion.  Hope her kids are OK.

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22 Reply by Moralman (edited by Moralman 2004-08-22 20:00:44)

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Dear Friends
kind regards
One thing that I can say about Mike Tyson which is positive-there is no way the Illuminati can brainwash him...............he has his own mind.
However the information about Madonna and Mariah Carey being Illuminati brainwashed is interesting-there should be a post thread dedicated to celebrities and the Illuminati symbols.
Speaking of celebrities I have been wondering about Kylie Minogue lately.
I think it might be ironic that through out her career most of her songs have been about three things.
1. Trying/craving to find love and most of the time failing.
2. Finding love
3. Trying to put a relationship right after a bad patch.
Kylie's love life has basically resembled this her whole career-she has been in and out of relationships and basically always gets the wrong guy.
Is this just a coincidence?
Yours thankfully
John

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john -  regarding tyson's impenetrable mind - how have you acertained this about him? it seems much easier for you to accept the notion of the aforementioned female vocalists being mind controlled slaves of the illuminati. what sets tyson apart in your mind?  as to kylie minogue and her lyric content, i believe you've just listed the top three themes of popular music generally over the past many decades at least.

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aaronfirebrand - you're right, there are many fine records stores here but alas, portland has it's share of rednecks too!  and lyra, yes, portland is quite the illuminati hive!  you're right, it's the city of roses with roses on the cops' emblems and of course the annual high ritual of the rose festival, when the city hosts the navy fleet and the waterfront is patrolled by black helicopters and heavily armed goons.  there's a lot of kkk nonsense in portland's history, too (not to say that is distinct from illuminati) and a particularly evil chapter of "shanghai-ing" - abductions into slavery on seafaring ships.  you can still tour the "shanghai tunnels" under the old town section of the city, through which poor souls were trafficked from the street to the port.  portland's police are notoriously brutal.  the violence the cops unleashed upon anti-war protestors in the past two years is legendary.  the past two summers have seen two unarmed black motorists shot dead in their cars by the police during traffic stops.  in both cases, the grand jury found no wrong doing on the parts of the cops involved.  oh yes, and the chemtrail activity here is frequently alarming.  this past week there have been giant Xs in the sky directly over the city, with endless layers of broad lines over every horizon.  ahhh, breathe deep!  you may wonder why i choose to be here, given all this - so do i sometimes.  maybe i need to be here to help counter all that hideousness.  i'm still figuring it out.  re: madonna, i agree that her promoting the kabbalah isn't necessarily a help to humanity.  the kabbalah is a very tricky arena to dabble in - it's hardly fun and games or happy-feel-good times for the masses.  interesting to hear that britney spears has recently begun to study the kabbalah just like her pal madonna!

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Dear Veritas
kind regards
I think that Mike Tyson was manipulated to a degree by Don King(33rd degree Freemason) whilst he was with him...............eventually Tyson came to his senses and floored King in the street back in 1998.
However Mike Tyson isn't the type of person that the Illuminati would want and neither could they brainwash him.
Tyson was born in a rough area its as plain and simple as that-his life is an open book for everyone to see.
There is plenty of information online about Madonna being an Illuminati puppet-I think that the Illuminati focuses their attention primarily on certain types of media............they'd have no use for a man like Tyson.
yours thankfully
John

26 Reply by Auendove (edited by Auendove 2004-08-23 07:49:26)

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lyra wrote:

Project Moriah = Butterflies = Monarch programming = Rainbows = Over the Rainbow / Wizard of Oz, sex slaves who are programmed to self destruct at age 30, like clockwork.

lyra,

Could you make a post, under whatever topic it would be most relevant, to expound on your notation that The Wizard of Oz was used as a mind progamming tool... I'd like to know for my own awareness, I've never heard anything but good about this film so far. Thanks.

I ask because this film was one of the most influential of my life, but I started getting my life together at 30... maybe it's just a "superstar" issue?

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Auendove wrote:
lyra wrote:

Project Moriah = Butterflies = Monarch programming = Rainbows = Over the Rainbow / Wizard of Oz, sex slaves who are programmed to self destruct at age 30, like clockwork.

lyra,

Could you make a post, under whatever topic it would be most relevant, to expound on your notation that The Wizard of Oz was used as a mind progamming tool... I'd like to know for my own awareness, I've never heard anything but good about this film so far. Thanks.

I ask because this film was one of the most influential of my life, but I started getting my life together at 30... maybe it's just a "superstar" issue?

Hi Auendove,

The Wizard of Oz had positive origins and intentions it seems, according to the C's, but like most things, it was taken and corrupted for mind control programming.  Wizard of Oz is a major MAJOR programming theme / system.    Fritz Springmeier actually devotes an entire chapter of his book "Illuminati Formula........." to the Wizard of Oz, explaining how it's used. 

Interestingly enough, I always had a slight aversion to the Wizard of Oz.  I'll post the info. on Wizard of Oz programming over in manyeagle's Mind Control thread.

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Dear Friends
kind regards
I am most convinced that Mike Tysons soul characteristics were with him before he was born and will be with him after he dies.
According to some sources souls match the DNA and the Reptilian bloodlines always find the same souls over and over again to interbreed with in human form because they can activate them.
Therefore even if a person dies his or her soul characteristics live on.
My feeling is that Tysons soul was definately in the form of a monstrous ancient gladiator in the past.
Its interesting to discuss to say the least.
yours thankfully
John

29 Reply by Auendove (edited by Auendove 2004-08-23 08:23:17)

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Tanx lyra!

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Moralman wrote:

One thing that I can say about Mike Tyson which is positive-there is no way the Illuminati can brainwash him...............he has his own mind.

Interesting thing to say. I was always under the impression that Tyson doesn't actually have a mind!! I mean ya gotta be pretty mindless to beat up women like he did and then try and chew off your opponents ear, not to mention squandering an absolute fortune. Maybe he's one of those soul-less humans.

I really don't think there's anything positive that can be said about Mike Tyson. He's just a violent thug. The sooner he's permanently out of the spotlight the better...shouldn't be long now!

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