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Dear Friends
kind regards
Firstly its been awhile and I am happy to be back on this forum.
I have a question which may be bizarre or laughable to some but I think that its valid.
Mike Tyson was the youngest heavyweight champion at all time at age 20.
He eventually became undisputed World heavyweight boxing champion.
Tyson looked awesome in the prime of his career-when he hit his opponents they fell and you could hear his punches.
I have a few questions.........
1. In spiritual terms where does Tyson get his power from?
2. My belief is that Tysons soul must be rock hard-perhaps he was a gladiator boxer or fighter in his past lives who destroyed everyone..........What are your beliefs on this?
I think Tysons soul would have had that power before he was born and maybe if he reincarnates he'll have that power too.
Can you please give me your perspectives on this?
If you could respond A.S.A.P I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

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Re: Mike Tysons soul.........A few questions

Well, I don't particularly like Mike Tyson.  I don't think I'm  alone in the sentiment that hitting women is wrong.  Mike's been rather notorious for that.  As far as that one time, when he bit off that guy's ear, well, that was just weird.  (and more than a little scary)

However, to answer your question, I have something to add.  One of my former roomates is obsessed with vampires and horror movies.  She reads gory horror novels nonstop and has a fascination with dark things.  She wore a lot of black leather and frequented the darkest club in the town we lived in. 

She has had past life regression therapy, and during the hypnotic state found herself in a sandy desert, somewhere in the middle east.  There was a flock of people running away from where she stood. (she felt herself to be distinctly male) .  Her clearest memory was of  meeting eyes with a woman holding a baby.  She said the look of terror and dread on that woman's face when they met eyes will stick with her forever.  It was suggested that the flock of people werer actually running from her, and that she was the cause of their utter horror.

She says that this would explain her current fixation with blood and torture.  It kind of gave me the chills.

I would say that it's possible to carry your past likes/dislikes, and strengths/weaknesses with you throughout time, but I don't know much about past life regression. 

I would maintain that Tyson gets his power from somewhere not too positive, perhaps even animalistic.  But that's just my opinion.

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Dear ehhnus
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I think that some of Mike Tysons behaviour is wrong but I am not sure if his power came from a negative source.
Tysons strength enabled him to destroy everyone in his path.
I think that our souls do have individual powers-I wouldn't be surprised if Tyson's soul has in past lives been rock hard too.
I am sure that he wouldn't want to get rid of that power-after all it has made him one of the most famous men in our present day.
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John

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John,

Being famous for having the power to destroy opponents is the dream of most self-serving individuals in this world. So those two qualities, fame and power, seem to support the idea that Tyson's abilities are associated with negative sources. I think fame and power can be used toward positive ends, but only if they are a means toward positive ends rather than goals in themselves.

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I always understood that Mike Tyson grew up as a street brawler. He only knew one thing, which was to punch (or kick, or bite) his way through life. I don't think he operates with reason or logic, but rather  his animalistic intincts guide him.

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Dear Montalk
kind regards
Thank you for your comments.
I realise how Mike Tysons power could be seen as a negative force but his power must be positive to a degree...........he has entertained millions(myself included) and he has been a good role model in some ways.
I think that Tyson became a Boxer because of his love for the sport but he must have had that power before he came to Earth.
Do you think his soul is an overly powerful force-he must have some kind of inner power(from his soul) to be that powerful.
You could hear his punches loudly and furthermore his KO record speaks for itself.
Do you think that Boxing is wrong?
If you could answer these questions I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

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John,

Some questions to consider:

If Mike Tyson is a role model, what ideals would you say he represents and encourages? In other words, what qualities and behaviors does Tyson embody that others would idolize and strive to attain?

Does entertainment value necessarily imply positivity? Remember that the roman gladiator sports satisfied the entertainment wishes of millions. Does the entertainment Tyson provides have a positive effect upon the soul evolution of his fans? What part of an individual does this form of entertainment satisfy?

Lastly, does physical prowess necessarily imply soul prowess? There are animals physically more powerful than any human, like oxen and gorrillas. An ox can pull down a tree, a gorrilla can throw a grown man across the room, but they are not spiritual giants. Jesus wasn't Mr Universe, and I don't consider Arnold Schwarzenegger to be a saint, so to think Tyson is spiritually powerful because he can punch hard doesn't make much sense to me.

Morally I don't think boxing is wrong, but as far as being a "positive" thing, the sport doesn't seem like something that will help uplift your soul or give a greater understanding of oneness and spirit. There are more refined forms of fighting that rely upon actual soul power instead of primal force, like many asian martial arts that make it a point to incorporate moral and spiritual principles. Then you have Mike Tyson biting someone's ear off and hitting women...not quite the same thing.

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Dear Montalk
kind regards
I think that Mike Tyson can enpower people to defend themselves and then of course he has shown through his negativity what shouldn't be done.
From a spiritual standpoint I suppose the type of entertainment Mike Tyson provides cannot help soul evolution but then again on the other hand...........its hard not to admire a guy with that type of power.
I suppose Mike Tysons form of entertainment satisfies a unpredictability-after all watching Tyson fight in the past has been like allowing a tiger out of its cage.
Yes animals have great strength but its a great spectacle to see humans possess the type of power that Tyson has.
I can understand your point-Boxing can be a disciplined sport though.
I suppose on a level of morality Mike Tyson doesn't rank very high however I am not his judge, jury and executioner.
I simply wanted to understand where Tyson gets his power from-His soul has obviouslty given him super human strength which puts him in a league of his very own and sure his soul has something to do with that?
yours thankfully
John

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Re: Mike Tysons soul.........A few questions

perhaps it is not tyson's soul that gives him "super human strength," but rather his lack of a soul at all.  that is to say, he could well be an organic portal.  however, regardless of his soul status, who knows what he himself or his various handlers have done over the years to conjure up a little extra brutality and physical prowess.  with the kind of money, fame, and "power" to be acquired in the realm of professional boxing, it's not hard to imagine the lengths that people (?) might go to in order to attain such spoils. 

here are a few choice quotes attributed to tyson:
(please be warned there is profanity ahead and also please note the curious "reptilian" reference he makes in the last quote.)

Feb 1986 "I try to catch them right on the tip of his nose because I try to punch the bone into the brain."

Mar 1988 "I love to hit people. I love to. Most celebrities are afraid someone's going to attack them. I want someone to attack me. No weapons. Just me and him. I like to beat men and beat them bad."

Mar 1988 "When I fight someone, I want to break his will. I want to take his manhood. I want to rip out his heart and show it to him."

14 Sep 2000 "I'm on the Zoloft to keep me from killing y'all. ... It has really messed me up, and I don't want to be taking it, but they are concerned about the fact that I am a violent person, almost an animal. And they only want me to be an animal in the ring."

1 May 2002 During a press conference, boxer Mike Tyson tells reporters: "I wish that you guys had children so I could kick them in the f*cking head or stomp on their testicles so you could feel my pain because that's the pain I have waking up every day."

28 May 2003 In an interview, boxer Mike Tyson denounces Desiree Washington  (whom he was convicted of raping) as "just a lying, reptilian, monstrous, young lady. I just hate her guts. She put me in that state where, I don't know, I really wish I did now. Now I really do want to rape her and her f*cking mama."

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veritas, I think the tyson quotes give a fair indication of his "value" as a role-model. A vicious animal which needs to be isolated from society.  The reptilian remark is curious, but the term is not uncommon in personal insults.
I just noticed that you're from the pacific NW, veritas. Care to share where? I'm outside Cle Elum, WA, near Ellensburg.

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I recently read a blurb about Tyson, and where he's been for the past few years.   He said that he blew through all his money, and squandered all his accumulated possessions and wealth, (his houses, his cars, etc.)   and was homeless, crashing at different people's places who would let him;  even living on the streets for awhile.  He said drug dealers would recognize him and feel sorry for him and give him money, which seemed to be the eye opening moment for him.   He even used the word "animalistic" to describe his recent foray into homelessness and bumming money, food, etc.  He said "I was living like an animal!"  or something to that paraphrased effect.    He genuinely sounded shocked and disgusted at his own actions which led to this present state of being, really feeling like he squandered his life.  He sounded full of regrets, like if he could go back and rewind his life and do it all over again, he'd do it very differently.    He was very frank and open and his tone was that of someone who had finally "woken up"....from a dream, almost.    I had never given Mike Tyson a second thought nor had an opinion about the guy until reading that blurb.  When I read it I remembered thinking "Huh...."   I was almost a little impressed.   I'm always impressed when people demonstrate the ability to change or wake up.    We'll never know if he was being sincere, or if those are the words of a charming sociopath.   But I tend to think his situation is less of sociopath and more along the lines of someone who grew up on the streets and being a thug boxer is all he knew.   It's posssible for people to wake up and change their ways.   Like the C's say:   "All is lessons."    It really is.

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I'm with you, lyra. I think anyone can change if they desire it. And it would be a testimony to that possibility if Tyson is being straight about coming to his senses. But I can't forget that this is really just showbiz, and the homeless destitution story may be a creation of his publicity agent. georgie bush is a "christian": what does it mean? Nada. Is "animalistic" a word Tyson would even use, or a word put into his mouth? Five syllables are about three more than I've heard him use before. He's controversial, and still a formidable battler, and he wouldn't be in the spotlight now unless there was a plan to bring him back to the main event. Rags to riches to rags to a big comeback. Fight of the new century. Tyson, Bryant, Simpson. More distraction than considerable issues. Sport is merely sport, and matters not in the long run. But props to Mike if he's sincerely trying to break the chain.
I have to ask: Why is my friend's 19 year old daughter, who is in the national guard, fighting in Iraq instead of Mike Tyson?

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aaronfirebrand wrote:

I'm with you, lyra. I think anyone can change if they desire it. And it would be a testimony to that possibility if Tyson is being straight about coming to his senses. But I can't forget that this is really just showbiz, and the homeless destitution story may be a creation of his publicity agent. georgie bush is a "christian": what does it mean? Nada. Is "animalistic" a word Tyson would even use, or a word put into his mouth? Five syllables are about three more than I've heard him use before. He's controversial, and still a formidable battler, and he wouldn't be in the spotlight now unless there was a plan to bring him back to the main event. Rags to riches to rags to a big comeback. Fight of the new century. Tyson, Bryant, Simpson. More distraction than considerable issues. Sport is merely sport, and matters not in the long run. But props to Mike if he's sincerely trying to break the chain.
I have to ask: Why is my friend's 19 year old daughter, who is in the national guard, fighting in Iraq instead of Mike Tyson?


Yeah, I agree.  I kind of thought the same thing, that's why I wondered if it was the words of a charming sociopath, or if it was sincere.    I laughed though when you wrote that 5 syllables are about 3 more than you've heard him use.  big_smile    He really did say that though.....or so they would have us think.  wink      Good points though that this could all be manipulation to gear up for his "rags to big comeback".

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aaronfirebrand, hello.   yeah- that reptilian remark of tyson’s was really just  sort of amusing to me in this context of assessing his soul and all.  don’t get me wrong - there’s otherwise nothing about that quote that i find amusing in the least.   on a cheerier note - you’re a lucky fellow to live where you do.  i haven’t been up that way in a while, but i remember it’s beautiful.  i am in portland.  hi, neighbor.  lyra - here’s a tyson quote that sounds like what you’re referencing   -

>>28 June 2004 In an interview with This Is London, Tyson announces that since declaring bankruptcy he has been sleeping in homeless shelters and living off handouts. "I've got nowhere to live. I've been crashing with friends, literally sleeping in shelters. Unsavoury characters are giving me money and I'm taking it. I need it. The drug dealers, they sympathise with me. They see me as some sort of pathetic character... I know I was a tough, bad-ass talking fighter, but I ain't no mob figure. I did my time for the rape. I paid my money to Las Vegas. I paid my dues. I ain't the same person I was when I bit that guy's ear off." <<

i can understand your compassion for him.   regardless of his soul status, he just seems like a chump to me - like he’s been used for years,  a vicious, giant cash cow for many handlers and hangers-on, consistently rewarded for his brutality.   but he sure has used right along with those using him and he has been notoriously predatory outside of the ring.   who can say what his story is?!  it’s hard for me to imagine what it’s like to be a guy who’s extraordinary talents are sheer brawn and bloodlust.  perhaps he’s learning something from his demise.  perhaps he’s in a stupor after being “released“? from years of figurative or literal mind control.  perhaps it’s time for me to go to sleep...

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veritas said: "perhaps he’s in a stupor after being “released“? from years of figurative or literal mind control."
I hadn't considered a mind control aspect here. Maybe it's not the same MT, but an alter speaking with his voice.

By the way, I can't count the friends who have moved from where I am to where you are in Portland. Plus the Masterful Michael Hurley now resides in Astoria and plays in Portland quite a bit. Plus this place is nothing but dust, heat, wind and rednecks in the summertime. You have actual record stores!