Topic: Who is Satan?

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I am pretty new here. You have a beautiful website, I hope you will accept me here.
I found this on the internet, how God explains - who is Satan.

I'd like to hear your opinions, thank you.


CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD



Who is Satan?

Is there any fundamental knowledge that was given to Men in the very beginning for their harmonious development? Or is this knowledge thoroughly hidden by someone?
“My child! People tell tales about some kind of flying birds that are able to crush the Earth. That is a lie! The truth is that people conceal My existence because it is inconvenient to acknowledge it amongst the society.  Everyone is afraid of public opinion. That is the reason they come up with fairy tales about Me, where only a fraction of the truth can be found. No one can thoroughly hide knowledge about Me because I am a threat only for those, who want to believe in devil.” 

Devil? But for me it is just a religious term and nothing more. Am I wrong?

“Yes, you are wrong. Those are called devils, whose conscience is not too great and they know it.”

Then who is Satan?

“It is a made-up name. I call Satan the multi-faced fear, which exists externally as well. He speaks just as I do.  Fear also consists of feelings and thoughts and it may be seen as a dark cloud in the sky which dissolves in the sun.
    Recall what you feel when it thunders and you take a walk outside without fear of catching a cold.” 

If the sky is not too dark and it is still light outside then I am not too scared when thunder strikes.

    “And what if it is dark outside and you got caught in a storm, what do you feel then?” 

Wild fear and desire to get home as soon as possible, so that I do not get soaked in the rain.

“So, when you feel that fear of thunder, your life is in danger from the thoughts, which make fear even stronger. And the menacing plan of this fear consists in the fact that it has no conflict with killing you at once in case you fail to show the superiority of your power!”

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“It is rather simple to understand: God and Satan – Love and Fear. The inner fear came to a person from ancestors who could not tell My seeds apart from their own. That is why fear has been multiplying and getting more and more powerful…and decided to defeat the entire planet. I am not talking about physical fear, which is necessary for protection of your own body. You will not put your hand into the fire because you know that you might get burnt. Or you will not grab bare wires because you might be killed by electricity.
    The multifaceted inner fear, in which a person lives for many thousands of years, is not allowing people to recognize me as God and it is obvious. You wouldn’t recognize me as God either, if your desire to live would not be stronger than your powerful inner fear. This fear controlled your psyche while conveying oddness and deceiving you by similarities with me.
    The majority of people formed an opinion that a person is supposed to reach the edge in order for me to come to the rescue! That is wrong! A person hears me only when his fear allotted by reason (Satan) is no longer capable of blackmailing him with its reason, not in his eyes or ears, nor in his thoughts or feelings.
I shall tell you an allegory that is called ‘People and Satan.

*****
Once, Satan decided to find God in the face of men. He put on glasses to look more sophisticated and began a dialogue with his assistant - the devil.
Satan: “Listen devil! I am giving you a task to gather as many souls for me as possible!
Devil: “I’ll do this task with great pleasure!”  Some time passed and Satan called the devil again.
Satan: “Well, how many souls did you collect for me?” 
And devil replied: “I promised you to gather all of the souls in time, so do not rush me with questions. The time will come and you will learn how many souls and how much does a soul cost in a man.”
Satan listened to his answer and thought: “He is a devil, but he wishes so much to gather those souls for me…”  But aloud he added: “You have convinced me, devil. I am not going to distract you from gathering souls. The only thing I want for you is to leave one of the souls for yourself. Anything can happen. On the other hand, if you yourself decide to give it up then I’ll be glad!”
Devil: “I’d be happy to serve you well, but people’s rumors make me sick: ‘God needs the souls, souls for God…’ Maybe you can explain to me why do you put souls above all? Or am I wrong?”   
Satan grinned and said: “You are smart, devil, and a blabber. Who is asking you to talk about this matter aloud? Just keep quite and do your job! I have my own business with God”
*****

    Satan cannot be trusted. To earn Satan’s trust means to accept your own guilt before him. To earn God’s trust means: to save your soul from Evil.
    Satan – is an antipode of me. The Energy of Satan was born from thoughts of the entire Humanity which recognizes fear in itself. If you love to live in fear, then your life is in danger only from your own self. If you put fear above devil then your life belongs to Satan. If your life belongs to Satan then the forgery of religious treatises will accompany you wherever you go.“

If there is a will, there is a way

2 (edited by Transcix 2006-12-05 13:08:54)

Re: Who is Satan?

Well I agree with the love/fear duality in that text, but not much else. It is a balance, and too much fear is just as bad as too much love. I prefer how the Qabalah expresses it, as mercy and severity. Really, Jehovah aka "God" is the impersonal vibration of love, and Satan is the lower-density vibration and conventional manifestation thereof, the vibration of fear. Satan is not good or evil, and God isn't either, for if God is good then Satan is evil. The whole system of reality alltogether is good, as opposed to the alternative which is, literally unthinkably, evil. Of course we live for love, but we need to be reminded that we live as opposed to not, else living would not only become hollow but would cease alltogether. When existence ceases to be a miracle then it stagnates, devolves, and dies... this is an impossibility since we live with contrast, whereas if we lived linearly one-sidedly then this could happen.. if we focus on one part of reality to the exclusion of another, then we miss the whole picture, and what we deny will promptly kick our ass and remind us of it. Without duality, how could the pendalum swing by to remind you like this if you loose sight of things? With Satan one can never truly be lost, whereas existence surely would become lost without him.

Of course though, the balance of existence perpetually refines itself, with its upswings and downswings. It is failsafed on one hand to not blow up, but on the other hand it is ever a work in progress always exploring new territory, so mistakes happen. Personally I think right now there is too much evil, which is actually manifesting as too much (fake) good, as the text you quoted is an OK example of, although I've seen much much worse. When you work towards balance you work neither towards good nor evil but rather towards greater equilibrium (healthy unity) and greater harmony (healthy diversity therein). Like if you try to push good right now, then you likely only add to the evil; objectivism is needed.

nothing is sacred, the deconstructing and letting-be of all things, clarity of sight, the realization of no-thing(s), Nothing

Re: Who is Satan?

There is a very real difference between 'diabolos' and 'satanas'. And 'the Beast'.
For Steiner, they are respectively: Lucifer, Ahriman, Sorat.
they are very high spiritual beings, and they govern fallen hierarchies and elementals, which do not have an ego of their own and therefore cannot make moral choices between good and bad ; they merely oscillante between sympathy and antipathy and acat according to these basic astral egoless drives.
The inner earth is filled with spiritual, as everything else. We find there an inverted natural world, and the more we go toward the center, the more evil we find. there are cosmic hierarchies and they all have a fallen counterpart inside earth, each stratum corresponding to a particular class of fallen cosmic hierarchies. The subterrestrial world, as with elementals and fallen elementals are not evil, as I said they act upon sympathy and antipathy without the freedom we do have. They can steal parts of our ego thru taking out our fluids, blood and hormonal (eheric) fluids for instance and can act upon our nervous system (astal). As the gods of the underworld are not evil, Osirs god of the underworld is not evil, he is a face of Christ as an interior god, god of the interior of the soul. Gods that are outside in the natural world and cosmos are called higher gods. Egypt stuck with inferior and gods of the underworld, of the inner soul of man and afterdeath world, but Chaldea-Babylonia stuck more with gods of the outside world, in astro-theology, mapping out the cosmic spheres and their corresponding higher gods.  In general, gods of the interior of the soul, inferior gods, gods of the underworld, are called luciferic. But also Christ and Yavhe are gods of the interior of the soul, lower gods. Solar gods are the higher ones, and the lunar ones are the lower ones. Beings who tempted us in the Garden where once higher solar gods, but they couldn't bear living on the sun because they retardated their development since ancient moon. Thus they had to extract Venus (as with mercury) from the sun. They also fell on Earth later, living alongside kindergarten man but as higher superhumans semi-angelic incarnate beings (later in Atlantis they weren't incarnate, they just manifested in fiery etheric body at the culmination of initiation in hidden mystery centers in Atlantis). These fallen luciferic beings who were once solar beings, became moon gods, linked with our soul. Yahve is a different kind of moon god: he sacrificed himself in order to mineralise the moon in order to keep atavistic old moon influences (old moon influences and substance were and still are co-opted by Lucifer and Ahriman) away from earth, to make a counterpart to the eighth sphere in order to neutralise it.  Yahve was also an interior god, a true progressive lunar god, creator of our body image and giver of kama-manas, prime sense of egohood, but opposite to the influence of retardated luciferic beings. Christ was from the beginning a god of the soul of Man. But parallel to the fall of Lucifer on ancient Sun, Christ took upon himself the karma of the World and united himself in Love with Earth development and Cosmos.  He thus became the Logos, the Prime Model of the Universe, the Rule, the Principle, which shapes the Cosmos (which means order as opposed to chaos). This made him a higher god, a god of the outside world, no more of the inner soul of man, for a while. He was part of these solar cosmic gods described by Zarathoustra, he was Ahura-Mazdao and his spirits of Light, as opposed to Ahriman and his spirits of Darkness. Thru his Incarnation and thur the mystery of Golgotha, Christ became a human god, a good linked to our inner sul. Thus the mystics looked for Christ inside us. The thunder was no mokre outside man in a fiery bush Yahvw, he waas to be found inside, deep inside, as a I-God, god of higher self, but lower god as it was a god found after death and in the inner world of the soul. It is also the Mystery of Osiris-Christ who undertook the trip inside the underworld. The fragmentation of Osiris means the splitting up of global Man in fragmented individualities and sense-perception. We dont have to search for Osiris anymore because the mystery of Golgotha resolved this quest: Christ united himself with Earth thru His blood falling on the soil of Mount Golgotha, as inverted chalice. It is the Wisdom of Sophia that is lost, the knowledge, the sophia of Christ that is lost to man, not Christ himself. Christ is already back in the astral realm and his infinitely multiplying image is to be found at will in the etheric realm. What we miss is the knowledge of Christ, this is the mystery of the New Sophia. The New Isis Mystery. This is miles away from any 'anti-monotheist pagan witchcraft Goddess religions' come back! Because the connection with nature was once based on atavistic clairvoyance, underdevelpped individuality, unfree human beings. The new clairvoyance comes with a heightened sense of self, not thru blissful annihilation of ego-conscisouness in saturnalia bacchic exctatic (even druidic) orgies and chamanic trance.   


There are many references on these spiritual beings Lucifer-Diabolos, Ahriman-Satan, SVRT-Sorat (the Beast 666), works by Steiner and other more recent anthroposophists. I quoted many in the beginning of the 'food for the eight sphere, not the moon' thread.

Re: Who is Satan?

Satan lives in Minneapolis. I've met him. He looks like Satan, he talks like Satan, he moves like Satan. Religious people recognize that he is Satan before they're told who he is. He knows things that only Satan would. I personally don't believe in Hell or the devil and I agree with y'all a lot more than the atypical image of Satan, yet this dude is the devil.

Re: Who is Satan?

Satan is said to be the Ahrimanic Gestalt, or Ahriman to simplify things.
This suprasensible being, force stream, and field effect....a logos or organizing principle having dominion over the elements of water and earth.
The christians and others often confuse satan with lucifer which is another gestalt having dominion over the elementals of air and fire.
Both of these gestalts are part of the materializing force.
It is by ignorance and programmed fear that a proper understanding of these forces is prevented in the masses. This is the same child like lack of proper questioning that confuses the nazi swastika with the right turned solar wheel. Its not what people knwo but wht they think they know that becomes the problem.

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