31 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2006-11-05 13:16:34)

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I"ve read these posts with interest, because I used to think much like many here.... "if only I could get myself into the right location, my life would work and make sense!"  But in my experience, its a moot point. Sure, sometimes we are 'guided' to be in one place or another and that guidance comes through our feelings. But it never has anything to do with the particular place.

We all too easily forget, that we only attract to us the people and life situations that mirror our internal state.

IT DOESN"T MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE. If you are human and living somewhere on the planet, you will attract hell if you are hellish inside, and you will attract bliss if you are blissfull inside. No exceptions! (although there is a buffer of time between what we project and what we experience as reality).

To a degree.  But your view fails to take into consideration that external vibes DO have their effect on us.  It's NOT all "what's inside" that completely governs our experiences.   That insinuates that the external doesn't matter.  And that's total bunk.  You can feel as stupendafabulicious as you want on the inside, but put yourself smack in the middle of an area that's got a whole lot of negative crap going on..............including areas that are apparently no longer real........and problems WILL emerge.  I don't care how warm and fuzzy your thought are on the inside. 

Take a person who's vibrating a certain frequency of positiveness, and put them in the midst of a negatively charged area.  What's going to happen?   There they are, walking down the sidewalk whistling a tune with images of rainbows and flowers and unicorns and happiness in their mind.  They're all positive and warm and fuzzy on the inside, but roaming about an area with a very different vibe/resonance from themselves.  I'll tell you what happens..........problems emerge, and things start happening to effectually drive that person out of the area.  It's a clash of incompatible frequencies, and something eventually has to give.  This is something new agers don't want to acknowledge.  They believe that as long as they're holding onto positive thoughts and images in their minds, that everything around them has to line up accordingly, but that's not true.   It may lesson the severity of events that happen to them, but the bottom line is, like frequencies go with like.  And putting grossly different/incompatible frequencies together for long periods of time creates mayhem.   Again, new agers don't want to hear this, because it pops the bubble they've created about everything "being within" and about maintaining happy thoughts.   

I totally believe that our thoughts influence our realities, but I'm also realistic and realize that the external has to match the internal, otherwise the process is hindered.   You can be as happy as you want on the inside, but stick yourself in an area being bombarded by cellphone/microwave/ELF waves, or an area that's no longer real at all, and your physical WILL suffer. 

I'm also aware of the idea of "Wherever you go, there you are" and totally agree with that.  People who try to run from their problems by moving here, or moving there, creating distraction and diversion will never get anywhere until they fix what's wrong on the inside first.   But that doesn't negate the fact that every place has its own unique vibe, good or bad, separate from whatever is going on with us on the inside.  And that's the point of this thread.  I'm not sure why some people aren't getting that.

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ok, i stayed out of this discussion because my keyboard was broken.

First of all, I spent 2 years in portland, or, and it definitely has the best vibes of any big city I've been to.  The people are amazing, so much more laid back and positive than the East coast (or the midwest, or most places in the country).  If you only met weirdos, well, YMMV, but it doesn't sound like you had a typical experience.  If there is a lot of ELF/strange stuff going on there, it would make sense from the perspective of, "these people are pretty aware and with it, we'd better massively step up brainwashing efforts if we are to maintain any sort of control"  I haven't been there in a couple years, but I'll be there for a week in december, so I'll let you know if I notice any changes in the vibe.

As far as places with good vibes though, Baron was right on when he mentioned Hawaii.  If your in tune to natural energy flows, places in hawaii can be overwhelming.  Especially the Big Island.  Madame Pele is a powerful presence that probably scares or burns away a lot of the creepy crawlies that inhabit the astral realms.  Not to say there aren't plenty of things that go bump in the night, but they seem to be local residents (night marchers, etc).

I thought i had more to say, but since my mind is calling it quits I'll just repeat myself, no place can compare to the amazing energy of the Big Island. (even O'ahu has great energy, and it is densely packed with people) 
I wonder how much the wonderful vibe of the place is a result of centuries of amazing culture of aloha, and how much the centuries of amazing culture of aloha were the result of the vibe of the place)

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a few things to add, first is that, personal aversion or attraction to the energies of different places is in many cases more a matter of taste than quality.  Some people find the ulimate communion with spirit in the emptyness of the desert, while some may prefer the steamy closeness of a jungle, or the lofty vistas of a mountain top.  Because something prevokes a negative reaction in yourself does not always mean that thing is negative, it just means that it is wrong for you.

That and, the two places in the country that seemed to have the highest proportion of balanced and aware individuals (in my experience) are the Humboldt County area of California, and Hawaii, especially rural Hawaii.  Those places also have amazing energy (gotta love the redwoods and the lost coast)

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I'm currently living in Charlottesville, Virginia, and our local metaphysical newspaper called "Echo" ran an article for this month's issue about Charlottesville and its amazing energy and how it's considered a sacred site.  There are multiple articles written by various people in this issue about how they came to live in Cville, and their personal impressions of how it feels.  And everybody is saying what I was saying when we first arrived here..............it just feels good here, amazingly "light" and positive.  But very very light.   It's the nicest area I've ever experienced in all my travels and the places I've lived.  The only other place that I've been to here in the U.S. that felt this good was when I was sitting 10,000 feet up at the top of Sandia Mountain, in New Mexico.  wink  It felt so fantastic up there that I never wanted to come back down.  And back then I wasn't in tune with my psychic 6th sense, so it wasn't like I was looking for it or anything.  But there was no denying how good it felt on the top of Sandia.

Charlottesville is apparently considered sacred due to ley lines that run through the area and natural energy vortices all over the place.  It's why Thomas Jefferson put up the big dome rotunda on the college campus he founded (the University of Virginia).   He knew exactly what he was doing, as many psychics in the know have pinpointed UVA as having something like three energy vortices on campus.

This whole area is something else.  I can't imagine living anywhere else now.  I'm only here because Tom had once passed through the area on the way south to Florida, and was struck by how amazing it felt here.  He passed on the enthusiastic recommendation, and when I heard about it, I just knew...that's where we were going to move next.  I did a little bit of research about it online and it felt right.  Like there was a green light and big tug to go.  I'd never even THOUGHT about Virginia in my entire life either.  !  Never crossed my mind.   In the Echo newspaper, there were similar stories.   People trying to figure out where they're supposed to be or where they should be going next, and the word "Charlottesville" popped into their mind or synchronistically was suggested to them. 

We're in Albemarle County, but I have a mechanic that I go who's located way out in Greene County.....you have to get on Route 33 wink and head straight for the Blue Ridge Mountains, as if you're going to Shenandoah National Forest.  He's way out there, but I love it.......it's an excuse for a scenic route like no other.   My car needs fixing and it's like, Darn, snap, guess we'll have to make the scenic drive towards the mountains. wink  Roadtrip!  Woohoo!   big_smile

On the flip side, last night I was thinking some more about South Florida, where I used to live.  They have absolutely gorgeous beaches - in fact, I remember reading a Top 10 list of the best beaches in the U.S. and fully 5 of them were all in Florida alone - but the vibe there isn't good.  It's not all out negative, like some areas I've been to, and certainly not enough to have triggered the level of anxiety I felt when I first rolled into Portland Oregon.  But, it's still not good.  And I think the biggest part of the problem is the people.   All the Northeast transplants who've relocated like a virus down there.   The people there are intense, no exaggeration, the most vile, rudest, hateful awful people I've ever seen in action, and 2 1/2 years of being around people like that changed me, BIG time.   Just cold, cold, nasty people.   Blank, hateful, stone faces staring back at you.   Flat, no personality, like the interior landscape.   Go out of their way to hurt you, and be vile.   I met more than one person who deliberately would go around wiping the smiles off faces, with a demonic vibe driving it.  I know the area where I lived, Fort Lauderdale, is a very transient area.  But still.  That's no excuse.  I was at a loss to explain how people could be like that when they're surrounded by white sand, turquoise water, year round warm weather, blue skies and white puffy clouds and palm trees.   Then I realized that a good chunk of these miserable nasty people are transplanting down from the Northeast.........which has bad vibes.  New York.  New Jersey.  And so on.   I have very few positive things to say about the Northeast, so, yeah, that might explain part of it.  But there certainly has to be more.   South Florida is very STS, it's all about money, glamour, partying, sex and vanity, me me me me me me, what can you do for ME.   It's funny but here in Virginia, you turn on the radio and here like, local college music and blues grass fiddle and banjo.  In South Florida, you turn on the radio and are bombarded by ads for strip clubs, porn shops, sex hormone pills, penis enlargement and breast augmentation surgery.  And worse.  I've never encountered anything like it.  Even Socal wasn't that bad with the sex stuff.  wink  I was talking to two of my coworkers about it all when I was still living in Florida, telling them that only in Florida is it like that, and taken to that level.  Both of them, a younger white guy and an older black woman were like "REALLY??"  Honestly surprised.  They guy - who'd never been anywhere else other than one trip to Alabama - laughed and said, "I just thought every place was like this."

Um, no.  big_smile

There's also some heavy duty "street theater" going on down there.   LOTS of crazies and weirdos, every time you leave the house to go someplace.  It was like being under seige every time I went out.  Even just sitting in your car at a red light.....that was classic time for harassment.   You don't even want to look at the people in the cars around you.... a bit like New York, no?  And where is the huge chunk of South Florida's population coming from again?  hmmmmmmmm.....  Moved here to Virginia, and it's calm as can be. 

Anyway, just some random musings, inspired by reading an article this morning about the positive vibe and energy vortices of Charlottesville....

I don't even know what to say, Florida has changed soo much these past 2-3 years. I've lived here all my life and remember how friendly everyone was a lot of the spanish influence really helped part of the friendly attitude that was here and if anyone knows anything about spanish family they're very close and friendly. Like Lyra said I think it IS the "northerners" that have drastically changed the enviroment here, all these different people with different vibes from their states coming down basicaly throwing the whole vibe of florida off which used to be such a laid back, beach bum like state, people were so so open but now there's this uptight attitude going around because most of these northerners do not know how to integrate with the VIBE that USED to be here, it's unlike any other place and it's gone now, people used to be very open the conversations were always very basic and friendly, it's all off beat now, there was basically a common language that people had here and it related everyone well but now you walk up to somewhere and you dont know who is who anymore, you don't know if they have that florida vibe or some wierd upstate vibe, that common dialect and tone is lost because people will look at you like "WTF" owell I think Orlando is rated one of the most "angriest" cities in the nation lol anyways

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Think about it. Florida became THE place for people from up north to retire to back in the '50's. The joke is, you go to Fla. to die.  Im a former northerner. I dont think we can blame the bad vibe on the northerners, alone.  When I lived in Miami in the late 1970's, it was all rundown. The strip at Miami south beach was nothing but crumbling hotels and old folks homes, Nothing what it looks like now.  Now Miami is all about the "beautiful" people.  But the other side is, that the funeral business is a big thing down there because of all the elderly people. There are billboards all over the place for funeral homes The amount of retirement villages is staggering. Its not about the fun and the sun. Its about keeping your old bones warm in the winter, and hanging out with people that are just as wrinkly as you are.  I mean, what kind of vibe can you have when you have that going on? Its sad because there are some pretty magical places in Fla. if you know where to look.
The gated lake community that I live in here outside of Charlottesville, Va. is jokingly called "little NY". When this community was first built back in the '70's is was intended as a retirement place so the builders advertised in Long Island, NY. So that is what the bulk of the people here are. Fortunately, more young families with kids started moving in, so it doesnt have the retirement feel at all. But I have to say, there is a great sense of community here, and most people are friendly and will jump in anytime someone needs help.  Everyone waves to you when they walk or drive by. So darn it, dont blame the state that Fla. is in on ALL the northerners.! smile Just some of them. Like E3mp says, you have people from all different places moving there, with their differnt vibes. I mean, my little neighborhood, (out of the 5,000 homes that are here) has a certain rhythm and vibe thats different from the next neighborhood a few streets down.
I agree with Lyra, the vibes in Charlottessville, are like nothing Ive experienced before, and Ive lived in many places.

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limukala wrote:

The people are amazing, so much more laid back and positive than the East coast (or the midwest, or most places in the country).

....and, which I noted in my earlier posts.   


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If you only met weirdos, well, YMMV, but it doesn't sound like you had a typical experience.

But nowhere did I say "I only met weirdos."  Again, I even noted that the Pacific NW has *the* nicest people I've ever met anywhere.   

If you were to read over what I had written earlier in this thread, you'll see that what I said was that I experienced an anxiety attack when first encountering the vibe of Portland.  I also noted strange happenings going on up in Portland...of which others didn't seem to notice, even when having it pointed out to them.  And a surprisingly bad economy and lots of destitution, (probably manipulated) despite the fact that the NW should have everything going for it.  But my argument wasn't based solely on the idea that "I only met weirdos while in Portland, so therefore, Portland is weird."   

I've heard via email from people that have read my article, people who've either lived in the NW or visited, and they seemed excited to see somebody else was noting the same things they've experienced and felt.   And it was good to hear that I'm not the only one.  In writing and posting my article linked earlier in the thread it's taking a risk.   I've never seen anything anywhere talking about the "weird vibes" and happenings of the NW, and so that was a risky leap to put that out there, knowing that I have no back up support to hide behind.....nothing but my own observations and experiences.   Which means I had to be sure in what I was claiming and be willing to stand by what I wrote in the face of opposition...as I suspected there would be.  wink

So whenever people pipe up with how good Portland feels I have to wonder.... How did they not feel what I, and others noted?   The vibes of an area is subjective when it's natural.....like frequencies will gravitate towards like after all, and there's no "right" or "wrong" about that.  But it's a whole different story when man-made technology is at work, helping to throw things off.    So natural energy may be subjective, but I don't think what's going on in Portland is "natural" by any means.   So therefore, shouldn't people be able to feel that?   Shouldn't we all have the same response to technology designed to throw us off?



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If there is a lot of ELF/strange stuff going on there, it would make sense from the perspective of, "these people are pretty aware and with it, we'd better massively step up brainwashing efforts if we are to maintain any sort of control"

That I can agree with.  I noted that there was *something* funny going on in the NW, but didn't try to get into the "whys" behind it, but that's definitely a good theory.   Earlier it was argued that the people of the NW are so free thinking and open minded or whatever (not the exact word choice, but same concept) and I was left scratching my head going, Um, maybe...but what I sensed was major suppression going on.  People walking around in almost a zombie-like daze, like half asleep or something.   So let's combine both ideas together and we have that the people up there are independent and free thinking...so therefore, maybe "stuff" wants to target that area a little more. 

And I can totally see how the area has the underlying "alternative/free thinking" theme at its core foundation.  Organic farming is HUGE up there.  The political bent is liberal.  It's all about human rights and tolerance.  BUT....I think that people need to wake up to the idea that maybe things aren't running at 100% potential up there anymore, that "something" else has infiltrated and has sabotaged things.  I think the defenders (not necessarily talking about you limukala) want to hold on to the idea of what Portland/the NW *used* to be.....and are refusing to acknowledge what it has become *now*   It's like the people that still mistakenly defend the concept of America...as it existed decades ago, failing to realize or see or accept that "stuff" has taken over and this is no longer the same country anymore.   And here I am, an outsider who visited for 4 months, with no personal biases and nothing invested in it all, who objectively noted some things that maybe the biased natives want to play down or outright defend. 


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I don't even know what to say, Florida has changed soo much these past 2-3 years. I've lived here all my life and remember how friendly everyone was a lot of the spanish influence really helped part of the friendly attitude that was here and if anyone knows anything about spanish family they're very close and friendly. Like Lyra said I think it IS the "northerners" that have drastically changed the enviroment here, all these different people with different vibes from their states coming down basicaly throwing the whole vibe of florida off which used to be such a laid back, beach bum like state, people were so so open but now there's this uptight attitude going around because most of these northerners do not know how to integrate with the VIBE that USED to be here, it's unlike any other place and it's gone now, people used to be very open the conversations were always very basic and friendly, it's all off beat now, there was basically a common language that people had here and it related everyone well but now you walk up to somewhere and you dont know who is who anymore, you don't know if they have that florida vibe or some wierd upstate vibe, that common dialect and tone is lost because people will look at you like "WTF" owell I think Orlando is rated one of the most "angriest" cities in the nation lol anyways

Ha, I have so many stories, it's not even funny.  big_smile  And what does each horror story have in common?   The perpetrator was from the north.

All of my positive encounters with people?  They were all natives.  The woman who rented my apartment to me....sun burnished native with the southern drawl and totally kick back attitude.  The guy who "intervened" you could say when I was getting ready to leave Florida, having panicked at my decision to move there and thinking I should just go back to California.....a native, born and raised.   Offered up all this advise about where to go to find work, who's hiring and how to get there.  Really laid back friendly guy.   It didn't take long for me to see the pattern.  Especially once I started working at that one office job I was at for almost 2 years, and had repeated bad runs in with only people from NY and NJ....while simultaneously getting along fabulously with all the Floridian and southern natives and Caribbean islanders.

(on a ps sidenote....I'm not saying that all New Yorkers and New Jersey-ites are negative and horrible.  But there can be no denying that the only people I had runs in with down in Florida were from the northeast.   What I've noted is that the ones who can transcend that negative icky vibe that's so prevailant in NY/NJ wind up being very cool people.  People who have the best of both worlds - the fast talking, quick and sharp mind of northerners but who have turned out *nice.*  smile   When northerners turn out good they're very very good...but when they turn out bad...watch out!)

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Florida HAS changed. I spent part of my childhood there,from 66-74 in Palm Bay. There were lots of old people then but lots of "natives" from before AC. It was a great place, lots of critters, beautiful beaches ect. Back then Orlando was nothing but scrub cattle and swamp. The vibes were wonderful.
I went back with my children in 90 to live in Daytona Beach. Wow what a change, mean, grumpy people who looked down there noses at "new comers." Lots of holy rollers and of course even more old people, but even they had changed. More that once I had been told that my generation was lazy. Sex, crime and lawsuits everywhere you looked. And Orlando? I don't even want to think about it, it is so ugly. Even my beloved Palm Bay made the news almost weekly, and not the good kind either.
I don't know if it is the northeast invasion, my mother's family is from Ma. and they are warm people. Something has changed and I don't plan on ever going back. The age we live in seems to be increasingly graceless, maybe it is just more readly seen  where vibes were on the good side to begin with."My Florida" is alive only in memory.

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New York HAS changed, as well. I believe there are more transplanters in the city (not just Manhattan, but the other boroughs, as well) than there are natives. The situation what ani-waya talks about with FL is parallel with the situation with NYC and how the natives, both good and bad, are moving elsewhere.  Everyone up here are moving down to Florida or the other popular destionation, Arizona. There isn't a day that I don't see a Florida liscense plate here. The tri-state plates are common, but as the years go by, I see the orange fruit FL plates here and it shows that NYers are moving down there and coming back up for a quick visit.

Many people come over here to start anew, whether if they want to escape their little midwestern town or are completely money driven and work at these evil looking office buildings and waste away with their financial careers or if they're into theater, school, etc.. basically, NYC is not a bad launching pad for that stuff, but it makes me wonder. I love New York, but it also pains me to see these people come to NY, acting extremely rude and extremely uptight, assuming that's the NY attitude and do a horrible job at it (we're generally not rude as the media portrays us). Everything has gotten dramatically more expensive and IMO, the city is overrated. Fun costs an arm and a leg. Take it from me, a native. I can't help but think CONSPIRACY when I walk down the streets sometimes because with the people I know, everyone's income is getting tighter and tighter, meanwhile, new residential skyscrapers are sprouting with starting prices of 1 million+ minnimum. Who are these people who can afford these places?  The vibes here undulate and are unstable- some days are great and some aren't and you can't really relax without obnoxious people yelling in the street, the notorious cab drivers, rude wanna-be NYers, who have the nerve to call themselves New Yorkers after living here for 2 years and to top it all off, they dislike the natives and look down on them for the most part.

There are also cell phone towers PLASTERED all over the city. Envision typical NY style walk-up buildings on each corner and for every 2-3 blocks have those cell phone towers. Schools have those towers too, even my elementary school, sadly wink . Chemtrails are also increasing without even searching for it. I've noticed people have changed somewhat since the cell phone towers have been put up and there's no sign of stopping. There's also more police/undercovers than I can remember in the streets, but I have that "invisible" factor, as mentioned in Lipstick's Pod thread, so it's not bad for me personally, but annoying nonetheless.

I just don't know anymore. People here are rude, very materialistic, very STS. The situation with the demographics and everything that is tied in with it (real estate prices, cost of living, new laws, etc) just doesn't seem natural and seems forced, but of course, it's done slow and is subtle. The real NY natives don't really move to FL or AZ but to the suburbs of NJ or Long Island. It's the annoying group of NYers, who demand everything instantaneously that are moving to places like FL. It's great for me, since I don't have to see them, but it's a double edged sword and are being replaced with young professionals, who actually think NY is exactly what they see on TV and act like the characters of "Friends". I think that show ruined my beloved city. Call me crazy, but I really do think that.

I jokingly tell people "I was born on the wrong coast and wrong continent. I'm from the East Coast, but I have a very West Coast mindset (sans the annoying "duuude"  and the word "like" 2-3 times per each sentence) or the southern Euro mentality, where people actually help each other out and look out for one another. Sorry, If I'm venting a bit, but I love this topic and wanted to share:)

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Each sub-cell of Earth's energy grid contains the experiences of everything happening - all realities - that has ever occurred within it. In other words, each cell retains a complete memory of its entire existence.

As it relates to areas of population, the memory of what was experienced - in a large say - for example - determines how that city evolves a collective consciousness. The collective karma is affected. The karma of that city, in turn, affects the cell memory karma of that entire region.

These memory cells have natural movement due to magentic influences. Movement also comes out through human thoughts and actions. No cell is free of karma. Every place has history - moments built upon the moments that came before. Each place is touched by its visitors and inhabitants - not only human but also those physical and etheric lifeforms that preceeded us.

Certain cities have developed in a particular way, based upon the overall polarity of those cells in which they reside, and each city's postion on the Earth. So for example, if we look at those major cities found on or near water - like San Francsco, New York, Los Angelos, Tokyo, or Sydney - we can see that these cities have received great nourishment. These areas have been constantly nourished due to thier dynamic positions within the cellular boundaries, and in the relation to the boundaries of water.

The balance of elemental forces within each cell affects its makeup, its health, just as the internal thoughts and actions do. Water stimulates that which is intuitive, creative, thus creativity and diversity have flourished in these cities. That was based on the old grid pattern. The energy changes that are now beginning to take place will completely alter the regional dynamics. The new energy will be different.

The new sub-cells are more numerous and denser in their capacity for memory. So twice as many cells - each having individual characteristics - will exist. They already exist in the etheric realm, but the new cells are not receiving very much nourishment from Earth and its elements at present. Most of the energy is still being drawn by the old cells. Right now, the old cells, and the new cells, are actually competing for energy.

The old cells are dying, just like skin cells on your body will die. And as they die, they try to draw energy to sustain themselves, taking it from wherever they can. The environment-- the energy of the elements --has been so weakened by our pollution that there is very little left to flow into the cells- old or new. The new cells have remained weak, continuing to draw mostly from the etheric realm. But with so little energy or food coming from the elements of nature the old sub-cells are turning to the only remaining source of vitality compatible with their structure in this reality - man. The cells are taking energy from humans.

This varies greatly from individual to individual. Just as a city, town, building or region creates its own karma, so does the individual and collective consciousness of man. How one lives his life determines the kind of interaction between himself and the cell in which he (or she) lives. Intuitively, they are seeking a more balanced cell. Intuitively all people know the dynamice between themsleves and the Earth. Those who listen and trust are more liekly to take action and relocate .

A balanced person will not draw to himself unbalanced forces. "Like seeks like". People in previously energized areas - many of the world's cities, for example - could be feeling depleted, just by virtue of the fact that they are living in a dying cell, in an environment that does not support rejuvenation. This drain on human energy has been further aggravated in these areas by the dwindling element of air, referring to pollution.

Pollution and negative thoughts have reached a point it's simply no longer possible for this element - air - to rejuvenate the sub-cell region through which it flows. The same condition affects the cleansing properties of the element water - oceans and lakes.

The new cells operate on a different vibrational spectrum not yet touched by our pollution The new cells are relatively clear of stored memory at this point. It would be comparable to buying a new computer disk. It is ready to hold memory, but until it is put into use, it is only potential.

The new cells are not drawing energy from humans. They are much heavier "cosmic-force energy" at this stage. Once they lock in (which I see in about 3-4 years), as we reach the fulcrum in the precessional cycle, they will then seek a rooting, and there will be a period of equalization or balance. This change will happen very rapidly. Suddenly, we will find ourselves in the midst of the new energy and the old cells will simply be gone.

The old memories can be retained within the new memory cells, and by those individuals and groups attuned to the new cells. But these transfered memories won't have the same intensity or memory charge as they had in the old cells. --the storage capacity will increase exponentially! In other words, they could take all the old memory, although perhaps slightly altered, and put them all on a little shelf within their total capacity. This is because they have such great volume by comparison.

Awareness will function at many levels and dimensions simultaneously. There will be a much greater capacity for exchange and communication with the Earth force. This is almost like a new software conversion on a computer.

The invention of computers is nothing more than a manifestation of our collective vision into the future of life itself. Computers werer created ---not to serve man---but as an experiment for humans to realize our own true capacity. Computers are a way of trying out our ability to expand our own capacity as humans.

This has to do with our changing DNA patterns. There is a transformation occuring in the very blueprint of our makeup. It will be established with the birth of the next root race - the 'Blue Rays'.

All species - plant, animal, human - are highly adaptable. The basic systems of life, given some minimal parameters, is able to adjust and survive. As Earth's energy cells continue through this change, individuals will be affected in different ways. If you are in a state of balance--meaning that you are working on your life's path, moving forward with little steps that hopefully lead to larger steps - then the conversion, and the ability of your body to change, needn't be that difficult. Everyone will be aware of it to some degree. Electrical sensations in the body will be detectable, even in the most balanced person.

Those that are having difficulty in life, however, will need to look at the relationship between themselves and everything else in their lives. Stress is one of the things that is going to throw the body's central electrical ystem even further off-course during these changes. The whole immune system goes right down, because the body needs to adapt to these new grid levels---so it can pull energy from the new pattern. A stressed person won't be able to put the proper internal energy into maing the shift.

So the new energy will be all around, but the stressed body won't be compatible to receive that energy. Imagine the new cells all emitting energy - the next step for us is to prepare to access the new energy by attuning to it now. This is important for good health in the future.

Illnesses that are grid-induced will always be electrical in nature - headaches, fatigue, memory loss, disorientation, feelings of agitation, vision difficulties, and ringing in the ears. many of these symptoms may be the result of living in an old cell that is dying while engaged in a lifestyle that is unhealthy or unbalanced. Most of these conditions can be traced back to a basic imbalance of electrical forces in the body due primarily to negative thoughts and stress.

If you are feeling stuck - and not moving forward on the truths you seek here on earth then you are under stress. This leads to overload and illness. More and more people are showing evidence of being out of balance. More is written about mental illness such as depression these days. Some people are acting violent or erratic for no apparent reason. The energy grid doesnot cause mental illness. What happens is that the new energy pattern is still grounded in the etheric realm.

It is fluctuating a lot--solar flares, disruptions at the Earth's core, and planetary alignments all influence it-- causing the grid to through up spikes. It's like lightening coming out of the cells. When a cell experiences one of these energy spikes the whole cell actually becomes electrically charged and the sub-cell gets agitated.

Their charge level actually increases, which forces a higher charge level in all animals, all plants, and all people within the cell. So now you are taking in Earth force energy at a higher level at a higher frequency.

Most people are taking in pretty low Earth energy, and solar energy, due to a significant amount of stress.

In a state of balance you can tap into higher psychic abilities. What we think we shall become. Listen to your intuition (little voice).

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Im a former northerner. I dont think we can blame the bad vibe on the northerners, alone.......So darn it, dont blame the state that Fla. is in on ALL the northerners.! smile

No, but the New Yorkers and New Jersey-ites are a big reason why Florida has a mad vibe going on right now.  Like I noted - while living in South Florida, not all NY'ers and NJ'ers that I encountered were nasty and troublesome....but all my memorable run ins were with people from NY or NJ.  The NY'ers and NJ'ers also clashed with the natives of southern California in a big way from what I witnessed during my 10 years in SoCal.  Many of the New Yorkers I knew in SoCal left and went back home.  They couldn't mesh with California, and the Californians couldn't mesh with them.  That's saying something.  Being from the NE myself, I understand what the problematic differences are, and straddled both sides of the issue.  New Yorkers  - and we're talking those from the city, as well as Long Island, not upstate necessarily - come from a very loud, hustle bustle vibe where it's GO!GO!GO!GO!GO! amped up mania.   There are 20 million people amongst the 5 burroughs and L.I.....that's a hell of a lot of people to cram into a relatively small area.  People are on top of each other, everybody rushing to and fro, you have to push and shove your way around in life, yell to be heard and noticed, be on guard so you don't get mugged, all in the middle of a cacophony of noise and madness.  So as a result, people from that area carry that vibe with them wherever they go.  They have a tendancy to be tense, on guard, to talk loud, to not recognize physical boundaries, (very touchy feely, draping themselves over you, standing practically right on top of you, etc., probably as a result of spending long hours crammed like sardines into subway cars, haha....) and can be quite confrontational and aggressive.  They often times don't seem to know how to drop that and acclimate and adjust themselves to a toned down, mellower environment.  Truly, once a New Yorker, always a New Yorker.  It never goes away.  It actually strikes me as traumatic conditioning in a way.   It permanently alters the psyche in a way that's difficult to undo.

Anyway, just my 2 cents from someone whose entire family, parents included, is from NYC, who's spent time in NYC, and has known lots of people from NYC.  smile

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Im a former northerner. I dont think we can blame the bad vibe on the northerners, alone.......So darn it, dont blame the state that Fla. is in on ALL the northerners.! smile

No, but the New Yorkers and New Jersey-ites are a big reason why Florida has a mad vibe going on right now.  Like I noted - while living in South Florida, not all NY'ers and NJ'ers that I encountered were nasty and troublesome....but all my memorable run ins were with people from NY or NJ.  The NY'ers and NJ'ers also clashed with the natives of southern California in a big way from what I witnessed during my 10 years in SoCal.  Many of the New Yorkers I knew in SoCal left and went back home.  They couldn't mesh with California, and the Californians couldn't mesh with them.  That's saying something.  Being from the NE myself, I understand what the problematic differences are, and straddled both sides of the issue.  New Yorkers  - and we're talking those from the city, as well as Long Island, not upstate necessarily - come from a very loud, hustle bustle vibe where it's GO!GO!GO!GO!GO! amped up mania.   There are 20 million people amongst the 5 burroughs and L.I.....that's a hell of a lot of people to cram into a relatively small area.  People are on top of each other, everybody rushing to and fro, you have to push and shove your way around in life, yell to be heard and noticed, be on guard so you don't get mugged, all in the middle of a cacophony of noise and madness.  So as a result, people from that area carry that vibe with them wherever they go.  They have a tendancy to be tense, on guard, to talk loud, to not recognize physical boundaries, (very touchy feely, draping themselves over you, standing practically right on top of you, etc., probably as a result of spending long hours crammed like sardines into subway cars, haha....) and can be quite confrontational and aggressive.  They often times don't seem to know how to drop that and acclimate and adjust themselves to a toned down, mellower environment.  Truly, once a New Yorker, always a New Yorker.  It never goes away.  It actually strikes me as traumatic conditioning in a way.   It permanently alters the psyche in a way that's difficult to undo.

Anyway, just my 2 cents from someone whose entire family, parents included, is from NYC, who's spent time in NYC, and has known lots of people from NYC.  smile

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Couldn't have said it better, especially about the subway. I hate taking the subway that I take the bus and even that is starting to get crowded, so walk I must. The subway is a mish mosh of people, who are heavily on guard and a nice fertile ground for the weirdos/crazies who look to hurt people either physically, mentally and psychically. The traumatic conditioning, I agree. I admit, some of it has been rubbing off of me, but I catch myself and my thoughts and think "no, this is not natural, what are you doing?" and whenever I do act like that, I feel extremely guilty afterwards like "WTF? that's not the real you! Must get a grip!" You can see the conditioning with my siblings. I love them more than words can express and they're not bad people in general, so I've been lucky, but I tell them to tone down the anger sometimes and the weird thing that they say once in a while would be "it must be the New York in me".!  Anyways, I must do research into places I would like to move. The time in New York I feel is coming to a close.

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i agree with what was said (by at least Lyra - didn't read all the posts in detail) about the fact that it's both the environment around us and also what's inside us that counts - or course it's both - it's all one field and we're a part of that field - and so are others - and sometimes, no matter what's going on inside you - a place can be totally creepy and affect you ...

on a more-than-semi-related note, i have a story to share: maybe 4 or 5 years ago -- we were going out with some friends to a club to dance - it was a friends birthday, i think -- but we were a multi-cultural crew - there was me (brown guy), 2 asian guys, a caucasian guy, an arabic guy, his two sisters and his caucasian girl friend. When we were done at the club and heading back to the parking lot we bumped into another crew - all brown guys -- we started talking - we were split up - some of us were a little ahead - some a little back - but our two groups merged ... the people i was with - we were just talking about the night and what we'd done - where we went, etc. -- the people a little ahead  - i remember hearing one of the people from the other group make comments about white girls - and how he felt that canadian girls were all ho's - he was being really negative and it also wasn't hard to tell that he was quite intoxicated - apparently he'd been offended by a woman or young lady who happened to be white - and so now, he was totally unhappy with 'white chics' -- and my arabic friend with his white girl friend were talking to this guy - and my friends' girlfriend was trying to talk to the guy and tell him that not all white chics are bad or like that - but the guy was being rude - and said something to like "you're all the same *#*$*#"
so of course - my friends' girlfriend gets offended - and she said something back to him - calling him an ignorant *#**$ or something ... and the next thing you know - she gets punched in the face ... and that's when a big-ass fight broke out between us ... ever single person in that crowd was fighting ... everyone except me ... i didn't move -- no one came towards me -- i was just sort standing there, half in disbelief, wondering what the hell was going on - but in no way affraid of the situation - it was so strange because i felt so removed from it all, even as it was happening ... the cops were there (they're always downtown patrolling, esp. on weekends @ night in club-district) ... but they didn't do a thing - they also watched ... and crowds of people were gathering around - they whole spectacle turned into a magnet of sorts ... some people who weren't even a part of this thing jumped in (the streets were crowded 'cause lost of people were leaving as the clubs were closing) - some people who'd jumped in were trying to stop the fighting some were involved with the fighting ... eventually - i started thinking to myself - i gotta stop this ... i don't exactly remember what happend - but i just remember no one coming towards me and me not wanting to be any part of what was going on around me ... eventually our group pulled away and ran to our cars -- i remember one of my friends lost his cell phone -- i went back with another friend after things had died down a bit to try and find our friends' phone - we didn't - but some people recognized us who were standing around - these two girls i remember - they both smiled at me and one asked me how i was doing - i wasn't sure i was getting the attention but i smiled back and said fine ... but that was a situation in which maybe because of me being me at the time and the way i was - i didn't get involved in any of the fighting - and on one came towards me - or maybe it was because i was also brown and the other crew was all brown, so they left me alone -- or maybe it was just a fluke - i have no idea ... whatever the case - this thread made remember this incident ...

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Couldn't have said it better, especially about the subway. I hate taking the subway that I take the bus and even that is starting to get crowded, so walk I must. The subway is a mish mosh of people, who are heavily on guard and a nice fertile ground for the weirdos/crazies who look to hurt people either physically, mentally and psychically. The traumatic conditioning, I agree. I admit, some of it has been rubbing off of me, but I catch myself and my thoughts and think "no, this is not natural, what are you doing?" and whenever I do act like that, I feel extremely guilty afterwards like "WTF? that's not the real you! Must get a grip!" You can see the conditioning with my siblings. I love them more than words can express and they're not bad people in general, so I've been lucky, but I tell them to tone down the anger sometimes and the weird thing that they say once in a while would be "it must be the New York in me".!  Anyways, I must do research into places I would like to move. The time in New York I feel is coming to a close.

Proto - i read your comment and something about it got me - the thing about conditioning ...

from my own experience, i know that conditioning can be hard to break from. This is not a personal boast or toast: but it is something i think i may have done - with anger - with jealousy - with giving up certain bad habits ... and of course - it's never done - life continues and so does observation  ...

+ that doesn't mean i don't get upset -- sometimes there's good reason to be upset -- i don't supress it if it comes -- but i don't go around throwing anger at people - or get upset easily esp. over little things ...

of course i am no perfect soul - and that word perfect is kind of off, if you ask me ...  i think it's possible to be 'whole' and also have lots of 'holes' ... i have many things about me that might be called flaws and whatnot but for the most part - i'm ok with me the way i am ...

that part that i hi-lited from your comment -- that's what i've been rambling on about forever on this board -- like a broken record or something ...

but here it is again tongue (and this might be good to experiment with)  ... when you catch yourself acting like whatever - and it hits you - you said you  sometimes feel guilty afterwards ... well,maybe that's a natural response - i've experienced something similar at times -- but when that happens to me - i don't say: that's not the real me - it is the real me - it's me - 'cause i just did it - that was real - it happened - and of course it's not limitted to just actions - but with thoughts, or i feel a certain way - whatever -- it's seeing the fact for what it is when it happens - and not unnecesarily holding on to it or supressing or resisting it - but being able to make contact -- being able to touch what's there - i believe it's that contact that "releases the fact" ...

at least - that's my perspective/experience ... i think it's definitely worth experimenting with --

think about it logically too -- when you see yourself in the present as you are - and there's no sense of "i must change - i must discipline myself" - so there's no pressure - no feeling of "i'm not good enough" - you are what you are - and that is FINE - whatever it happens to be -- maybe it's that something "divine" in us human beings - intelligence - call it whatever - it sees - we are a part of it - it/we understand(s) -- i don't know exactly how the mechanism for psychological change works - i couldn't break deconditioning down into a scientific formula -- except in the way that i was trying to describing above - because to me, observation in the sense of being able to see yourself as you are, without distortion - that's caring - there's no fear when you can do that - it makes for understanding of the self - and when one understands oneself - one understands others as well ...

so that's my rant ... apologies for heading off topics - so back to the tropics of vibes of places ...

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Tomatochip, I can surely identify with your story. I moved to Gilbert, AZ 6 yrs ago from Long Island, NY. For a long time I considered it to be the worst blunder I ever made. However when I made the move I was not in good shape and deteriorating rapidly. My life has improved markedly since then. It was easy to blame all my failings on the new location. The grass looks greener looking back (especially if you're in the desert).  I also would like to remove myself from the ratrace, maybe when my daughter finishes high school in 4 yrs.

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Proto - i read your comment and something about it got me - the thing about conditioning ...

from my own experience, i know that conditioning can be hard to break from. This is not a personal boast or toast: but it is something i think i may have done - with anger - with jealousy - with giving up certain bad habits ... and of course - it's never done - life continues and so does observation  ...


+ that doesn't mean i don't get upset -- sometimes there's good reason to be upset -- i don't supress it if it comes -- but i don't go around throwing anger at people - or get upset easily esp. over little things ...

of course i am no perfect soul - and that word perfect is kind of off, if you ask me ...  i think it's possible to be 'whole' and also have lots of 'holes' ... i have many things about me that might be called flaws and whatnot but for the most part - i'm ok with me the way i am ...

Yup, I agree. I didn't mean to give you the impression that I'm the typical angry New Yorker with a really thick accent (my accent is pretty neutral, believe it or not, which comes from years of correcting my parents' English. smile  ) but I was agreeing with Lyra and how many New Yorkers/New Jerseyans just can't seem to relax and very hustle bustle "GO! GO! GO!" and how that mentality is dangerous in the long run. I think when I highlighted the conditioning part on her post, it was mainly pointed towards the general population in where I live. I've noticed I had some of that with my behavior, but to a lesser degree and I want to get rid of it. People in NYC think acting like that is cute and the "real" them because "I'm from New York", which I think is complete herd mentality and that mentality comes in different flavors and textures. The conditioning that is going on here is indeed dangerous and disregards others, which is selfish. BAD VIBES, really.

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that part that i hi-lited from your comment -- that's what i've been rambling on about forever on this board -- like a broken record or something ...

but here it is again tongue (and this might be good to experiment with)  ... when you catch yourself acting like whatever - and it hits you - you said you  sometimes feel guilty afterwards ... well,maybe that's a natural response - i've experienced something similar at times -- but when that happens to me - i don't say: that's not the real me - it is the real me - it's me - 'cause i just did it - that was real - it happened - and of course it's not limitted to just actions - but with thoughts, or i feel a certain way - whatever -- it's seeing the fact for what it is when it happens - and not unnecesarily holding on to it or supressing or resisting it - but being able to make contact -- being able to touch what's there - i believe it's that contact that "releases the fact" ...

at least - that's my perspective/experience ... i think it's definitely worth experimenting with --

I understand what you're saying and I agree for the most part, but it's not the real me because I've lived enough to know that there comes a time where you question your thought processes and wonder "where did I get that from? Are these thoughts really mine? Am I that impressionable?"  I want personal soverignty over myself and be responsible for myself because it just feels great knowing that if you messed up, you messed up and knowing that I don't have to blame anyone but myself kicks ass! I'm weird, but that's how I feel.

Anyway, I accumulated junk over the years that I almost forgot who I really am. To give you a real life example from a few weeks ago, I went to Kmart to pick up a few cleaning products. So I went to the cash register and had this really nasty cash register lady and I paid with a debit card. I asked her for cash back and she said "No cash back!" in a really nasty attitude, but I had a feeling she was being a spiteful c*nt for whatever reason, so as I swiped my card, I pressed the cash back button and LO AND BEHOLD there were tons of $10s, $20s in the drawer. She told me "Didn't I tell you NO?" and I told her "yeah, but for some reason, it just didn't make any sense." smile I used to be a cash register person at a liqour store, so I know that even if you have cash in your drawer, you don't give them away until the manager puts more, but she had such a nasty, nasty attitude and called her a "b*itch". She was a typical New Yorker.  VERY TYPICAL. Did I feel guilty later on? Sort of, but not really at the same time because I don't have time for that sort of behavior, especially when I was nice and going about my day. I guess my ego reacted to her "classy" behavior. Ego work takes time. Baby steps. But, for this particular example, it's better that I said what I said than paid and left and let that incident stew in my little head and then take it out on my family and friends, who are the real people that care for me. Then again, I provided free food to "the matrix" lol.


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think about it logically too -- when you see yourself in the present as you are - and there's no sense of "i must change - i must discipline myself" - so there's no pressure - no feeling of "i'm not good enough" - you are what you are - and that is FINE - whatever it happens to be -- maybe it's that something "divine" in us human beings - intelligence - call it whatever - it sees - we are a part of it - it/we understand(s) -- i don't know exactly how the mechanism for psychological change works - i couldn't break deconditioning down into a scientific formula -- except in the way that i was trying to describing above - because to me, observation in the sense of being able to see yourself as you are, without distortion - that's caring - there's no fear when you can do that - it makes for understanding of the self - and when one understands oneself - one understands others as well ...

so that's my rant ... apologies for heading off topics - so back to the tropics of vibes of places ...

I don't think there's anything wrong with disciplining yourself, if the long term goal will be beneficial and positive for you and others, too. If I had not stop eating doritos and drinking 2 snapples a day, God knows how I would look like and my state of health would be. big_smile But observing and allowing yourself to just be without judgement is great, as long as you catch those nasty little critter thoughts/emotions that come out of nowhere because they love to breed in your mind/body. I don't know, maybe I am harsh on myself sometimes, but I can't allow myself to let myself go and become a mess. I do live in the moment, but I can't ignore what's going on and let it be if I have the power to change something that's unpleasant in the now. Does that make sense?  I don't want to re-learn  annoying lessons ever again.

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I grew up in upstate NY, in a little town called South Wales, with a pop. of about 500.  I grew up where it was laid back, slow, and everybody said hello. Most people I know or came in contact with came from the same situation. Yes, NYC and Long Isalnd, have a different menatality from upstaters. Yes, Im sure that the influx of people from the BIG cities in the northeast has had a major impact on Fla. You can move anywhere from what your accustomed to and find a problem with the natives of the area, or vice-versa.  Yes, northerners are a different stock of people, you have to be tough to survive those awful winters! smile  After 10yrs of living in Virginia, I have yet to see the "southern hospitality" from any of the natives.  But I wouldnt say a bad thing about them.  When I moved to Guam, I had major culture shock.  If you were standing in line at the store elderly Guamanians would walk to the front of the line. They would cut right in front of you. Rude,huh? But that was their custom. Elderly people were shown great respect. If you invited a native to your house for say, dinner, if you told them 6pm, they might show up at 8pm if you were lucky. That ws called Guamanian time. Did I find it rude? At first yes, but, hey it was their island, it was their customs. But on the whole, they were very giving, sweet people. You are going to find rude people no matter where you go. Everybody has a certain rhythm they're accustomed to, they're conditioned to.   But we can go round and round here. smile  I have many neighbors and friends from NYC and Long Island and they are gracious and kind people.  The people next door from Michigan are the rudest, as far as Im concerned, in the neighborhood. But Im not going to say ALL people from Mich. are rude and ignorant. Its unfortunate that certain people give the rest a bad reputation.  Having lived for 50yrs, with all diferent types of people and  in different places, I still wouldnt say a "certain" group of people are worse than any other. So, hey, everybody here has made good points. Opinions are like a**h*les, everybody's got one!:) Im just throwing mine in here!

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