Re: The U.S. vs. John Lennon

lyra wrote:

Scary stuff.

Indeed.  I dunno. . . guess it's darkest before dawn. . . assuming there is a dawn. . .

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tenetnosce wrote:

That is kind of strange. . could be that "they" don't care or that "they" are losing their grip.  Maybe the information is just coming out so fast now. . . better to let the people be distracted by the truth about old news rather than the truth about new news.

How is it strange?  People still have the right to make movies, "they" can't stop pople from making movies.

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Piece_ofnothing wrote:

How is it strange?  People still have the right to make movies, "they" can't stop pople from making movies.

You might be surprised at how much control "they" have over what makes it to the big screen and not. . .

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19 (edited by Marcus 2006-07-09 10:26:42)

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lyra wrote:

I mean, I'm GLAD people are finally waking up.  But damn...."why now?" is all I keep thinking.  Methinks that "they" realize it no longer matters.  But only "they" know why that would be.....

I think people genuinely do not care.

My brother showed me the trailer to this movie - and up until now, he has never been into that sort of thing.  He was pretty into what Lennon was saying, and has also been very anti-gov. in recent months.

So I said - "Well, that's why they had him killed."

He said "Who?  He was shot by one of his fans..."

So, the point gets totally missed even when spelt out in LARGE LETTERS.  I can't help thinking it doesn't matter any longer that this stuff gets out.  After a while, he had given it some thought and said "No one can know who killed Lennon."  And shrugged his shoulders.

Maybe it's just more distraction.  After all "conspiracy" seems to have become quite fashionable in the last few years.  And that is a pretty neat sleight of hand on behalf of the powers that be.

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Marcus wrote:

I think people genuinely do not care.

My brother showed me the trailer to this movie - and up until now, he has never been into that sort of thing.  He was pretty into what Lennon was saying, and has also been very anti-gov. in recent months.

So I said - "Well, that's why they had him killed."

He said "Who?  He was shot by one of his fans..."

So, the point gets totally missed even when spelt out in LARGE LETTERS.

Wow...what's up with that?    I could understand an "average joe" missing the point...but somebody who's supposed to be anti-government??   That's a bit weird. 


I think I pinned down what my annoyance is surrounding this entire topic.  Not counting people like Marcus' brother, just looking at the people who do realize the conspiracy here thanks to this movie, or internet writings, etc., and become "aware".....what bugs me is that they don't apply this awareness to the rest of their reality.  "Oh man........they killed John Lennon!  They lied to us!".......then they turn around and believe that evening's 6 o'clock news, and the next morning's newspaper headlines.

"Oh man, our government is pretty evil!  Goin' around, assasinating people...wow man...I mean, they're always trying to tell us they're so noble and democratic....that's kinda two faced and hypocritical.".......then they turn around and vote in the next election, promoting the illusion and partaking in it. 

I think that's a big part of what bugs me about all this.  It's not just the question of "Why is this being allowed out there?"  It's also "Why aren't the people who do become aware of the truth actually living what they now know and applying this to all aspects of their life????"

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21 (edited by Marcus 2006-07-13 09:00:03)

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lyra wrote:

I think I pinned down what my annoyance is surrounding this entire topic.  Not counting people like Marcus' brother, just looking at the people who do realize the conspiracy here thanks to this movie, or internet writings, etc., and become "aware".....what bugs me is that they don't apply this awareness to the rest of their reality.  "Oh man........they killed John Lennon!  They lied to us!".......then they turn around and believe that evening's 6 o'clock news, and the next morning's newspaper headlines.

"Oh man, our government is pretty evil!  Goin' around, assasinating people...wow man...I mean, they're always trying to tell us they're so noble and democratic....that's kinda two faced and hypocritical.".......then they turn around and vote in the next election, promoting the illusion and partaking in it. 

I think that's a big part of what bugs me about all this.  It's not just the question of "Why is this being allowed out there?"  It's also "Why aren't the people who do become aware of the truth actually living what they now know and applying this to all aspects of their life????"

This is something that I have often wondered at too.  I find it very strange indeed.  Yet - it seems to clearly illustrate just how deep the conditioning goes.  You can almost visualise it in the examples you used...each time Joe Average reads a conspiracy article or whatever, a big LIGHTBULB appears above his head.  He wakes up momentarily.  After that the Lightbulb switches off and he returns to sleep and his conditioning.

So that puts a different spin on things on the whole “why?"  question.  Sure; people don't care - but maybe we shouldn’t assume that this materials release is down to apathy on behalf of the controllers.

If people don't care - then how do you make them care?  I was thinking about this a bit, and then read what Toad_in_the_Matrix wrote on the Scanner Darkly thread.  He pretty much wrote what I have been thinking.

As you mentioned people are so asleep that they don't apply the things they learn to their daily lives.  But what would happen if they did start doing this?  When I step back and really look at what is going on with the media recently, it really looks like they are trying to incite anger, fear and almost rebellion.  Traditionally the media has let people focus their hostility upon the "unfairness of life".  But we also know how the media is used in a very targeted manner.  Are we being given a very clear and very large target?

If so I gotta wonder why.  Why is this material being allowed out there now?  What happens when an entire population realises its leaders are a bunch of phoney manipulators?

I can't help thinking it is all very staged and controlled at this point - just as it has ever been.

Either that - or the so called "forces of light" or human consciousness is taking a drastic shift for the better.  Or perhaps the shit has to hit the fan before that can happen?

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Marcus wrote:

Either that - or the so called "forces of light" or human consciousness is taking a drastic shift for the better.

Well that's partly my feeling and I do think it's important to try and have a positive attitude towards the future (and the now).

Personally I don't believe that the elite have quite as much control now as some people here seem to believe. Sure they control nearly all the mainstream media, however, more and more people are now getting their news from many other sources on the internet. The fact that TPTB are desperately trying to impose more restrictions on the internet clearly shows they're worried about it, and that they're not currently in control of it, not by a long way.

The cost of making and distributing movies (particularly documentaries) is also relatvely cheap now and so I don't believe that every single movie that comes along has been sanctioned and approved by TPTB.

I personally believe that there's a lot of "lightsiders" involved in the game right now, and some of those, I imagine, also have a lot of money to spend. I doubt that every multi-millionaire in the world is working for the Illuminati.

Personally, this last 12 months has surprised me quite a lot. i've actually been expecting "the shit to hit the fan" almost any moment since about 2002. Every year my expectations have been higher. And yet here we are in the middle of 2006 and most things seem just fine from where I'm sitting.

Perhaps we're just experiencing the calm before the storm, but I definitely expected a lot more chaos in the last 12 months, and it hasn't really happened, New Orleans aside. So I do wonder if we've shifted on to a more positive timeline.

Despite recent NR rumours of "Lockdown" in the UK, I have to say that I don't see much evidence of that at all. Sure, there's a few more oppressive laws, and certainly far too many CCTV cameras within major cities, but apart from that, life doesn't seem much different than it's ever been. That's not to say things are wonderful here, just that nothing is radically different than they were 10 years ago.

If multiple timelines are a real phenomenon, then it's probably are attitudes, beliefs and level of consciousness that dictate which timeline we ultimately experience. With that in mind, I've been a little concerned about some of the recent negative comments about how powerful TPTB really are. The more power you give them, the more power they undoubtedly have.

Personally I'm intending for a much more positive future, a future where WE become TPTB. Join me if you like! smile

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23 (edited by Ayahuasca 2006-07-13 14:22:14)

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For some strange reason, Marcus seems to have just deleted his comments I'm replying to:

Marcus wrote:

I would be interested to hearing your thoughts about this – specifically in regards to what you feel has / hasn’t changed within the UK.

I guess to some extent a lot of things have changed, depending on what you're looking at. Anything that's related to technology, like positive things (such as the internet) or negative things (such as increased surveillance) has certainly changed a lot in the last 10 years.

My comments we're mainly aimed at the idea of us being oppressed. The truth is that right now I don't feel any more or less free than I did 10 years ago. I don't really feel that there's anything I can't do right now, that I could have done 10 years ago. And outside of London, in my experience, the number of police that you see on the streets doesn't seem any different to 10 years ago.

Over the last 10 years, including the present day, I've known a lot of, shall we say interesting, people who don't exactly keep within the law, and I don't think I've personally known one person who's ever been arrested, or even fears being arrested.

As to people attitudes, well I guess that's a difficult one for me to comment on. I have a small family, a fairly small circle of friends, and also because I work from home, I don't have a great deal of contact with a lot people. I tend to attract cool and interesting people into my life, so long may that continue!

Now I'm certainly not saying the UK is a wonderful place to live, it's not. I could write a list as long as my arm of all the things that are wrong with this place, and I agree that things seem to be going further downhill. However, a couple of years ago I had a real sense of urgency about leaving this country. I don't really have that anymore. Things seems more positive now, although I think that's just a shift in my own way of thinking rather than because of something that's actually changed.

Perhaps things are about to take a huge turn for the worse, but right now I feel quite happy about the way things are going, at least in my life anyway.

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Thanks for replying Andy.  I see where you are coming from now - and tend to agree with your view.  Certainly from my own perspective, my shift in awareness helps with seeing things on a more positive note.

Sorry for deleting the post...it's not something I usually do, however I felt my post wasn't very well expressed.  And was far too long for what I was trying to say... smile

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John had a double, as did the other Beatles.  That's right, there was "another" John, an impersonator who acted as John for various public appearances, photo shoots and who knows what else.  This can be verified by analyzing facial characteristics.

John's double apparently came on the scene around the same time that Paul was officially replaced, in Sept. 1966.  This time period is still something of a black hole in Beatles history with many conflicting stories about who was doing what.  However John by all accounts was busy on the set of the film "How I Won the War", and John's double makes an appearance in this film as well.  [This seems to be a common method for introducing doubles (and various other deceptions) to the public, by alternating or blending images of what is real and what is "not real" so the mind of the viewer is trained to see them as the same.]

After 1975 it seems there are NO pictures of the real John Lennon.  According to the official story, from that time John became a recluse, a "househusband" staying home with his son Sean.  Also there are many people who say that this was a cover story, and in reality he was virtually kept a prisoner by Yoko in their Dakota apartment, drugged and deluded out of his mind.

Then in 1980, he suddenly came out of hiding, made an album called DOUBLE FANTASY, and just when he seemed to be coming back into the public eye, he was promptly shot.  But...it seems that all of the pictures of "John" from this time period are instead of his double!  Very curious...and that last album really sounds like a poor imitation of his musical style.

All of this begs the question, what happened to the real John?  The last pictures that can be verified as the real John Lennon are from the time when he was still living with May Pang, the so-called "lost weekend" when he was separated from Yoko. 

The best case scenario would probably be that he found a way to escape his Truman-esque life as a celebrity, and simply was not heard from again...after all he was very intelligent and for years had observed all the best strategies for changing identities.

Or maybe he was actually killed in 1975?  Either way, the years of his life from 1975-1980 would have been staged - the fantasy life of a double - and his assassination in 1980 would have been a hoax...and there's no need to point out the negative impact his death has had on millions of people the world over...

But there are other possibilities...maybe the simplest explanation would be that John was truly still alive in those years, living in the Dakota as a mind-controlled zombie, with a double making all his public appearances, until he was finally led to slaughter in a genuine assassination.

All of this might sound completely bizarre....but sometimes when cover-ups are seemingly exposed in the media, it is actually intended to distract people from finding deeper truths.

26 (edited by lyra 2006-11-05 13:56:37)

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Athenais wrote:

But...it seems that all of the pictures of "John" from this time period are instead of his double!  Very curious...and that last album really sounds like a poor imitation of his musical style.

All of this begs the question, what happened to the real John?  The last pictures that can be verified as the real John Lennon are from the time when he was still living with May Pang, the so-called "lost weekend" when he was separated from Yoko.

The best case scenario would probably be that he found a way to escape his Truman-esque life as a celebrity, and simply was not heard from again...after all he was very intelligent and for years had observed all the best strategies for changing identities.

Or maybe he was actually killed in 1975?  Either way, the years of his life from 1975-1980 would have been staged - the fantasy life of a double - and his assassination in 1980 would have been a hoax...and there's no need to point out the negative impact his death has had on millions of people the world over...

Well, I just did a search on John Lennon pics, and I have to say, he looks like the same person in all of them.   John had a distinct nose, eyes and mouth, and while an imposter may share one or even two of those features, the odds of finding a lookalike that has all the same features would be slim, I'd think.  But to me he really does look the same in all the pics.  However, I've seen pics of Paul McCartney that really left me wondering about the Paul is dead thing.  Maybe Paul didn't die, maybe some of what showed up in photos was his double, as mentioned?

Also John's voice on his 1980 album sounds like him, and his son Julian has the same voice.

Speaking of that album: the song "Sitting Here Watching the Wheels Go Round and Round":

"People say I'm crazy
doing what I'm doing
Well they give me all kinds of warnings
To save me from ruin.

When I say that I'm okay
well they look at me kind of strange
"Surely you're not happy
you no longer play the game."

People say I'm lazy
Dreamin my life away
Well they give me all kinds of advise
Designed to enlighten me

When I tell them that I'm doing fine
watching shadows on the wall
"Don't you miss the big time boy,
you're no longer on the ball."

I'm just sittin here watching the wheels go round and round
I really love to watch them roll
No longer riding on the merry-go-round
I just had to let it go."

People asking questions
Lost in confusion
Well I tell them there's no problems
Only solutions.

Well they shake their heads
and look at me as if I've lost my mind
I tell them there's no hurry
I'm just sitting here doing time.

I'm just sittin here watching the wheels go round and round
I really love to watch them roll
No longer riding on the merry-go-round
I just had to let it go."


Sounds like the John Lennon the public knows and loves.  And sounds like a good explanation for what happened to him from 1975-1980.  big_smile   I think he just decided to pull back from the limelight and kick around for awhile doing absolutely nothing.  When he reemerged he still sounded like him, saying the sort of thing that people have come to expect of him, looking the same as before.  But, that's just my opinion.  I remember watching an interview with Sean Lennon talking about how he sincerely believed the CIA or somebody had his dad knocked off, because John had too much influence on the public.  If he said something, people listened...........and would follow.  He was a threat, so they got rid of him.   There probably was a little more to it than that, as the U.S. was no longer in the middle of any wars at the time he was killed, so it does make one wonder what he could have said that was threatening by that point.  Vietnam was over, after all.  So I definitely wonder about that.  I never bought the mainstream explanation that his murder was done by just some crazy obsessed fan, but yet at the same time, it did always strike me as strange that some Powers That Be would have a musician knocked off.  I mean, just seemed a little weird.  Maybe he knew some sort of inside scoop about something.

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lyra wrote:

Well, I just did a search on John Lennon pics, and I have to say, he looks like the same person in all of them...

"Looks like" and "sounds like" is exactly the point of it, and a brief study is not enough to perceive the differences. 

Doubles are generally not born, they are made with ordinary cosmetic make-up, prosthetics, skin injections, plastic surgery, orthodontic work and various other tricks.  Granted, it is easier to use a natural lookalike, and John's double appears to be one of the best.  The key difference is jaw shape...

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9688/lennondoublecomparisontc3.jpg
JOHN <-------------------------------------> FAUX JOHN


Paul McCartney's replacement is definitely NOT a natural lookalike, so the differences are more obvious (height, head shape, nose, etc.)

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http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/uk_images/john_comparison.gif

I don't know about your pics, (the one on the left actually looks like it could be a fake...) but here's another comparison.

Looks like the same dude to me.  I can easily buy that Paul either died or had a lookalike running around in his place, but I don't buy it about John.   Sometimes I think conspiracy theories go a bit over the top.

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lyra wrote:

I don't know about your pics, (the one on the left actually looks like it could be a fake...)

Fake....why?
Both images are from www.redferns.com

As for the comparison you posted, it is actually from the website of a person who now does believe that John had a double.  It is just showing John compared with John, which does not rule out the possibility of a double.

30 (edited by lyra 2006-11-06 06:31:48)

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Athenais wrote:

As for the comparison you posted, it is actually from the website of a person who now does believe that John had a double.

I know.......it's all so ironic.  wink  I knew that when I posted it, because you only ever see people lining up images like that when they're trying to prove something has changed.  But imo the line up just shows that things are actually the same.
 
Anyway, I'm not going to go back and forth and back and forth all night about whether John was replaced.  You believe he was.  I don't.  It's an impasse.  So, moving on.

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