What have you experienced from your orgonite devices, or SP blasting?

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I had a Carol Croft harmonic protector for a while, and while I cannot say that it CAUSED a lot of bad shit in my life, my life has been filled with a lot of bad shit for quite a while now, so I guess it wasn't HELPING. I passed it on to a housemate who ended up really screwing me and my fiance over about a year and a half ago. Not sure what her experience was with it, but she had a "dark" vibe if I knew one...

It is painful to feel as though one's optimism is taken advantage of. My intention was to help balance the environment with orgonite. Now I am cynical as to its effect at all, and here you are saying that you've experienced a lot of NEGATIVE energy programmed into orgonite.

I feel very strongly that I need to find a healing paradigm that works, but my confidence is so shaken that I really have almost no idea what to trust. I was "trusting my intuition/higher self" when I got into orgonite, so if my "intuition" leads me to the wrong things, what can I do about that?

Tim

Alright, since you requested, I will spell out my position and reasoning in full. Long post, but it's all there.

I researched orgone between 1995 and 1998 by studying the works of Wilhelm Reich and Trevor Constable. Did enough experiments with small accumulators and cloudbusters to get working knowledge of the subject. I didn't learn about orgonite until 2002  and have built a couple HHGs since, tested a Terminator zapper, and experimented with other variations including pendants and an orgonite water fountain to see how it compared to the tried-and-true "old school" orgone devices of Reich and Constable.

Several years ago we had some astral critter problems at the old apartment and I thought it a good time to test out the HHG. It did nothing - critter problems stayed the same. So did alien intruder / observer problems. Orgonite is supposed to repel lizzies and other baddies, but not in my experience. Unless one uses these as a physical anchor of intent, but then you could just as well use a rock. Maybe the device was defective, or maybe HHGs aren't what they're made out to be. We also had lots of cell-phone radio and microwave beams coming through our windows causing fatigue and pressure in the temples. Orgonite cannot solve that problem because it was the physical energy in the beams and the longitudinal modulation caused by the beams becoming standing wave patterns in the apartment and in our skulls that were creating the headache and fatigue. I put up grounded sheets of aluminum coated mylar to attenuate those beams and that solved the problem. The orgonite water fountain acted like a little cloudbuster and sucked much of the orgone out of the room, making the room energetically dead and causing fatigue so I stopped using it.

As far as I can tell, orgonite pieces are at best passive devices that transform DOR into OR at unspectacular rates. Something like a house-plant that sits there and slowly takes in some stale air to breathe out a little oxygen. Freshens things up a bit, but I do not believe they are capable of busting cell-phone towers, blocking scalar waves, keeping away aliens, or smoking out lizzie bases by themselves. So I consider them etheric "air fresheners" at best. Neutralizes the odor but does not get rid of the source of that odor.

Now an "old school" orgone device made of alternating layers of cotton and steel wool will  put out an intense field that you can feel as a warm tingle. A water-powered cloudbuster has a field so intense coming out its ends that holding or standing in front of it can have devastating effects. I haven't felt that from any orgonite device, probably because the field is more weak and diffuse. The main difference between an old accumulator and orgonite is that the old ones were made of flat layers while orgonite has those materials interspersed throughout each other, which together with the crystal keeps it from getting saturated. Saturation is a problem with the old accumulators, as is contamination from bad ELF pollution or radioactive substances that make it unusable. But what I'm saying is that at least the old accumulators gave off an objectively sensible field.

Orgonite devices, just due to their geometry or the fact that they contain crystals, will indeed produce something. I mean a cone or pyramid shape is known to shoot energy out the top even if made out of paper, and crystals do have scalar fields around them stronger than less molecularly ordered materials. But I seriously think the claimed applications of such devices is blown out of proportion. There's a big difference between a passive energy freshener and an "etheric weapon that dark forces cannot withstand." 

But there's an even more important layer to all this, namely how much the user of a device is behind the creation of its effects. Intent and belief alone can temporarily repel etheric negs, ward off abductions, effect changes at the work-place, make negative people uncomfortable, heal various illnesses, and so on. Some orgonite devices are claimed to amplify or anchor intent - maybe, but I know from experience that these effects can be created without any device at all, and quite effectively at that.

Since the fields emitted by orgonite are so subtle, most of its users and creators cannot perceive it objectively so the whole thing is highly subjective and prone to wishful thinking. I don't trust some of the psychics that verify the immense power generated by a certain device, especially if these psychics are already obviously shadowed by negs and demonstrate negligible discernment. They could be faking it or unwittingly serving a neg agenda, yet the orgonite community quickly accepts the device in question as the newest best thing. So much wishful thinking and subjectivity locked into place through group consensus and questionable sources of authority, no wonder it's gotten to the point it has. If the same level of standards that go into creating these devices were applied to electronics projects, barely any circuit would work. I could intuitively design a radio by gluing a speaker to a ball of copper wire wrapped around a crystal and connected to a battery. Then when I hear music in my head, I make myself believe it's coming out of the speaker and hail the device as a success.

There is a reason why getting deeply into the orgonite lifestyle brings you bad luck, black helicopters, negative entities, etc... It's because the whole paranoia, combativeness, wishful thinking, desperation and extreme dualism lowers your awareness and FRV (soul vibes) until you have strayed deep into the negative realms where those things exist natively. With your frequency dialed into the lower stations, those things are going to interact with you far more tangibly than if you were tuned to a higher frequency. You're so far from your spiritual path that neg forces have an easy time playing with you, feeding on you, reinforcing for you the idea that you're on track by attacking you just enough to make you feel you must be doing something right to get their "wrath." Which is no different from neurotic fundamental Catholics getting tormented by the demonic entities they fear so much.

See, the majority of people in the orgonite community have good hearts, good intentions, and seek to undermine the dark forces in the name of spiritual liberation. But due to some wishful thinking and hasty zeal their good intentions have been diverted. The agenda has two purposes:  1) to get those with courage and good hearts to waste as much time, money, energy, and mental preoccupation on something that is ultimately ineffective against dark forces (visualize Don Quixote attacking windmills), and 2) through hyperdimensional scare tactics and disinformation agents lure them into lowering their awareness and frequency to a level that allows them to be more easily manipulated by dark forces.

With increased awareness, attitude adjustment, and some introspection they (and others caught in similar traps) can pull themselves out of it. Here are some suggestions for attaining this.

* Replace emotional paranoia and cocky combativeness with humility, humor, and nonchalance. Yes negative forces exist and have an interest in challenging your spiritual progress, but ego / fear / obsession are to them what blood is to a shark. Laugh off their scare tactics and they realize their investment in screwing with you isn't paying off. Treat the threat as you would the danger of being run over when crossing a road -  don't get bug-eyed and madly dash across or you might trip and indeed get run over, or hop around the street shouting and flipping off traffic or you might get shot, just calmly look both ways and cross...

* Learn to use your intent combined with positive emotion to manifest protection and other beneficial things. Acknowledge and nurture the spiritual power and confidence within you rather than depending solely on external gimmicks and gadgets. And if you try any sort of manifesting or prayer routine, keep in mind it's not the content of that routine so much as the deep-seated attitude behind it that produces results. If you pray for being saved by a higher power, yet maintain a deep-seated attitude of victimization and disempowerment, then the latter is what you'll manifest.

* Become aware of your emotional issues like egotism, pissiness, victimhood, vengefulness, self-importance, and insecurities instead of denying and suppressing them. Denial allows them to fester and build in pressure until they explode and cause you to react irrationally and emotionally. Denial also allows them to secretly form the foundation of your belief system, displacing what should instead be a pure interest in the pursuit of truth. When belief is tied to ego-based identity, anyone challenging that belief will be perceived by the ego as an attack upon its own existence, and the response can be quite nasty. Become aware of these issues and then you can deal with them.

* Stop thinking that getting attention from dark forces means you're necessarily on the right path. No, the more you get off track the more easily they can toy with you, and the more your reality becomes abrasive as a feedback mechanism warning you off having gone astray. If you really are a threat, these forces won't play around with flashy theatrics - they will go for the kill, either by trying to eliminate you through accident or illness, or sneaking through the backdoor of your mind and programming you to destroy yourself and everything you have worked for without you realizing it. I know this from experience.

* Sharpen your critical thinking skills, become better at spotting logical fallacies and subjectivity. Also practice reading the vibes of people for any signs of them being "off" -- vibe should feel like that of a used car salesman who knows he's selling you a lemon, smooth but off. Becoming aware of deception immunizes you, and leaves you open to explore more fruitful avenues.

* Broaden your research into new subjects. If someone is labeled a disinformation agent, check out his or her material for yourself and come up with several reasons why that accusation is true or false. Hunt down quality sources that give you new insights and empower you with new chunks of knowledge.

* Without sacrificing awareness of how dark forces operate and what their influence has been on you and the world around you, adjust your attitude to be more constructive, hopeful, and good-natured. Practice seeing the beauty in people and things. Put more of your energy into seeding and growing something that makes you spiritually fulfilled -- you are not combatting dark forces directly so  much as starving them by creating a better alternative. The purpose of all this is mainly to get your vibes back up so that you're no longer neck-deep in shark-infested waters. Even if conditions are shitty, make a conscious choice stay lucid and emotionally above water instead of drowning in negativity and self-loathing. Keep a check on your thoughts and emotions, as what goes on within does correlate loosely with what goes on outside. To quote Rudolf Steiner:

Well, let's look at the clues. The agenda...

* ...does not encourage complacency, ignorance of duality, civil obedience, subversion of family values, submission to mainstream authority, or political naivete. So that rules out the usual government / military groups tasked with preserving national security.

* ...is not highly lucrative. Resin companies and people who make and sell orgonite devices are not getting rich despite some profits, at least compared to agendas where profit is the sole motive. So that rules out the agenda being solely a product of a few fleecing the rest.

*...targets people who acknowledge the existence of exotic phenomena (aliens, etheric energy, scalar waves) -- people who have a desire to dispel negative forces and establish healthier and less oppressive conditions. This suggests whoever is behind the agend uses exotic methods of manipulation that they prefer remain unknown and unchallenged.

*...maximizes negative emotional energy output through unnecessary fear, frustration, and paranoia. Negative emotional energy, rather than money or power, is the primary output product of this agenda. This comes with a lowering of  the targets' soul vibrations, indicating that the source of the agenda itself is of low vibration.

*...is capable of demonstrating its presence to a target through artificial synchronicities, black helicopter and unmarked vehicles, strange characters who follow and monitor, dark nonphysical entity attacks, and manipulated dreams. This implies the source of the agenda is not limited to our three dimensional, physical, linear reality. Therefore it must be hyperdimensional.

*...can influence psychics and channelers to disseminate faulty advice and arrange influential disinformation agents to steer group opinion and commit character assassination as necessary. The source is therefore able to influence minds remotely.

*...exploits flaws in human psychology with surgical precision. Flaws like mistaking group consensus for objectivity, that multiple independent endorsements guarantee validity, swallowing a half-truth after being impressed by the half that is true, mistaking subjective impressions for objective perceptions, and how truth and reason are so easily sacrificed for ego validation. This shows that the source knows humans very well and has greater cunning and intelligence than even those who are in the "business" of combating nonphysical forces.

*...encourages reliance on external physical gimmicks, deflecting targets from discovering their inner power source and connection to greater reality. The source is therefore interested in maximizing spiritual disempowerment, meaning it has a vested interest in maintaining the anti-spiritual control system.

Whose agenda is this? Negative hyperdimensional entities, no surprise there. You can call them what you want... aliens, demons, ahrimanic forces, archons, etc... Only they have the capability, intelligence, resources, hunger, and sadism to pull this off. They have done it for thousands of years through religion. This is just a modern spin on the same old milking operation.

Yes I know and did not intend for my words to imply otherwise. I was pointing out that in other cases unrelated to orgonite studies, a shape alone is known to channel energy and crystals alone have energy fields as well, meaning that on those conditions alone orgonite devices should have some kind of energy field or function, challenging any claims that orgonite devices are completely inert and impotent.

Of course it was exaggerated, that's why I put it in quotes as a figure of speech. But what kind of expectation do people have when, for instance, they bring an orgonite device to work and gleefully watch the people they dislike get aggressive or fidgety and leave the room? Or when they go on adrenaline-soaked missions gifting suspected alien or NWO bases, risking getting caught by security guards when gifting high-profile cellphone tower sites or public landmarks? Or when they use a plethora of special reptilian-busters to fortify their homes against alien intrusion? If they thought their devices were any less effective against combating evil forces, they wouldn't take the risk or spend the time and money. I can understand low-risk experimentation and trying it out for yourself - and calmly experimenting with these as you have done, but the problem I'm talking about concerns the fanatical warrior types. If what they do is far less effective than what they believe, and this deception was intentionally set up by malevolent forces, then I have reason to be concerned over such good potential being put to waste, that's all.

Good reply Montalk. I now understand that the emphasis of your remarks is on the character of the orgonite movement as a whole, rather than on direct experience from orgonite devices: somewhat analogous to discussing Christianity from the standpoint of its political and social history, rather than from that of its collective spiritual experience.

You make a good case for the existence of an agenda of exploitation. The virulence of those who exercise this agenda may indicate, however, that they are annoyed, and have reason to be annoyed, with the creation and intelligent distribution of orgonite devices.

Thanks for the clarification. You could likely find someone on some orgonite board who has made such an exaggerated claim, but none of the orgonite people whom I have met has done so.

Most of the people I know who have brought orgonite devices to work have done so in the hope that it will influence their co-workers to act more positively.

I suspect most of these are not all that sure how much effect there is, or what exactly it will be. It is more the hope that there will be some positive effect, and a sense of experimentation. This was my own case, until I had enough experience and observation to get a sense of what was really going on.

There are some "fanatical warrior types", but most of those with whom I have had personal contact were not. They felt that they had an opportunity to have some positive effect on things, and so were making use of that opportunity.

Isolated acts of kindness and integrity seldom have immediate decisive consequences, but they sometimes have long term positive effects beyond the ken and expectation of the perpetrators. The same is true with orgonite.