Topic: Illuminati Explained

Hi. I keep coming across the illuminati and their symbology.

Can anyone tell me why they are so obsessed with symbology?

Regarding their goals the only idea that makes sense to me is that they have committed some very bad crimes against humanity that they are afraid of people waking up and becoming spiritual beings because we'd then think up a suitable method for them to make amends.

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Symbols are expressions of the subconscious and can carry mental programs via the physical realm to others (i.o.w. they are a way to spread mental viruses). A symbol is a little piece of information, representing a little part of the subconscious of the symbol's creator, and when enough of those little pieces of information are combined, the subconscious of another person could form them back into one piece of information.

As for why the "Illuminati" (or whatever other label you assign) do what they do, I guess it is because their perception of things has been altered so much, that they no longer can properly perceive what they are truely doing and are probably thinking they are doing something good. I believe this corruption of their perception has been caused by non-physical beings who were created by accident and are incapable of understanding what they are really doing and causing. All that these beings understand is that they do not have the "divine spark" and as such are not self-sustaining. They have a desire/instinct/program to survive, and thus they try to extract energy from beings who do have the "divine spark" (i.e. they are parasitical).

Perhaps one day those parasitical beings will learn how to be truely self-sustaining, or perhaps their accidental creation will be undone, but until then it is important for all "victims" of these parasites to learn self-defense methods and prevent their energy from being stolen. The Illuminati's task is to maximise people's energy output (usually in the fear/pain/hate/etc. side of the spectrum), and to prevent people from becoming aware of the parasitical beings and learning self-defense methods.

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Some interesting info here regarding illuminati symbols;


http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha … on_sig.htm

"Occultists the world over believe that, once a symbol is created, it acquires power of its own, and more power is generated when such symbol(s) are created without the profane [uninitiated] knowing about it. And, the greatest power of all is created in the symbol(s) if the uninitiated NEVER discover that the symbol exists"

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"Occultists the world over believe that, once a symbol is created, it acquires power of its own, and more power is generated when such symbol(s) are created without the profane [uninitiated] knowing about it. And, the greatest power of all is created in the symbol(s) if the uninitiated NEVER discover that the symbol exists"

I'm glad this came along.  I heard this story about some family finding some runes nearby or in a river that made a lot of good things happen in their lives.  Turns out the runes were nothing special, maybe even fake, I can't remember, but the reason that so many good things happened was because of the energy that was created by their wonder of these runes.  So, the thing that really sticks out is that it is in the perception, the movement of the spirit of the person experiencing reality.

Now, I have a curiosity with religion as it is today, and am most specifically interested in Christianity after some experiences that helped explain some monumental realities behind the words and thoughts of Christian thinking.  I'm always cracking that door of mystery wider each year and finding that it holds, at least for my path, a lot of essential knowledge for the human experience.  This sort of thinking about symbols really goes far into explaining the nature of faith and trust, and why it is stressed so much, while most people want it wrapped up in some impossible logic and complain that it leads to blindness, not figuring that it may be serving its purpose in the method exactly as it is now.  Perhaps knowing too much about mysteries is counter-productive?  Could it be that the mystery is the point?

Also, Old Testament is replete with examples of the hidden name of God, as well as keeping gentiles away from Jewish religion and secrets.

Seems to be some validity in this line of thinking, one that will eventually open up new wisdom for myself.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Haven wrote:

Perhaps knowing too much about mysteries is counter-productive?  Could it be that the mystery is the point?

H,
I've not got much to contribute to this but to say that you've got a fine way with words. Thank you. amj

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You could spend a lifetime researching numerology and symbology but the bottom line is does my cat really care?
I think we brainwash ourselves when we think an object is a word and we brainwash ourselves if we think symbols have any power.

One could argue that they are merley marks of ink on paper and the illuminati are creating an illusion for their own benefit and egos.
I am quite happy to believe for example that if i write the word love on a container of water it will produce happy water and like wise if i write adolf hitler it will produce bad water but what exactly is occuring here?

The water cannot read what is written on the container, its just blobs of ink that my mind percieves as the word love or whatever, so it must be my consciousness that is changing the water and not the "writing" on the container.
Likewise no symbol at all has any inert power other than through the conciousness of the person who has beliefs in it or interacts with the symbol through belief or via subconsiousness programming.

The whole point of magick or ritual is to bypass the conscious mind and to program the subconcious mind to bring about the reality.
The belief that certain numbers have power is a self created illusion IMO and as energy follows thought this becomes a "reality" for those that believe in it.
Why are the illuminati obsessed with ritual, symbology and numerology because they got it from the 4 or 5d entities that control this world via the illuminati or shadow government IMO as a form of focus for their control. The true creator or wizard knows they are just mental props.

Symbols and numerology mean nothing to my cat or to the universe at large and only have any power in proportion to your belief in them.

Don't hold me to this i may have changed my mind by next week smile

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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AHA  but what about 3d shapes such as pyramids that keep food fresh and sharpen razor blades one of the main symbols used in illuminati symbology surley things like this must have some kind of energy?

Good question, oh dear i am talking to myself now thats a bad sign.

Its humans or entities that first invented a system of mathematics and occult symbology around the object of their attention, this is creation and a belief system, how did you first know that pyramids sharpen razor blades, someone told you and you tried it and it worked, for others however it does not work, you are author of your experience.  Its the consiousness that turns a 3d object into 2d representation, its their mind that links this to real thing and the mind of any who behold it that links any power to it or not.
The symbol of 8 is used to represent infinity so symbols can never be the real thing but representations that are really more like a visual language.


Blimey the more one looks the deeper this gets, symbols, words, pictures, logos, naming of things and identification and reality gestalts and all hammered into a consciousness.

Do symbols affect your subconsiousness mind even if you don't believe in them which may be why the illuminati are obsessed with them?
Maybe though probably not my cat.
Is that obsessed or possessed/ the higher one goes up then the more soul selling and dark rituals/occult knowledge involved in the illuminati it seems, so it may seem natural for this to tricke down.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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Barefoot Doc wrote:

You could spend a lifetime researching numerology and symbology but the bottom line is does my cat really care?

That's certainly an interesting question there Doc, and one that I'd be interesting in knowing the answer to.

I'm sure cats know a lot more than they're letting on. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if it's those feline critters that are really running the world. I mean you can't put it past them can you?

http://kez.dontknowdontcare.com/misc/agentblobcat.jpg
(The truth about the NWO?)

Andy

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Ayahuasca wrote:
Barefoot Doc wrote:

You could spend a lifetime researching numerology and symbology but the bottom line is does my cat really care?

That's certainly an interesting question there Doc, and one that I'd be interesting in knowing the answer to.

I'm sure cats know a lot more than they're letting on. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if it's those feline critters that are really running the world. I mean you can't put it past them can you?

http://kez.dontknowdontcare.com/misc/agentblobcat.jpg
(The truth about the NWO?)

Andy

i think its the second one from the right who is the chief, shifty looking eyes that one smile

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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Thanks guys. Some interesting ideas and I feel I have a better understanding. I think there is some power there because of the intention to put power there and I also think it's partly a bit like a criminal leaving clues because he knows the police can't catch him.

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Well, who are the Illuminati in question? ;-)

The symbology of esotericists, esoteric masons, etc has nothing to do with taking over the world, though some conspiring to make profound changes (whether actually good or actually bad) may have known and used them proudly.

The swastika was for millennia a symbol of radiating, solar energy (and goodness) from SE Asia to Ireland comprised. The nazis stole it for precisely that reason, attempting to harness an esoteric "solar current" for their new Germany, the nazi egregore. They had it what, a few decades? Now 90% asked know it only as a symbol of hitlerism.

What does that make the swastika and the "illuminated" folks who used it for millennia? Nazis? There are ancient synagogues decorated with swastika meanders in the ME.. But they have no ties to the nazi's economic policy or Speer's scenography projects.

I doubt that the founding fathers of the USA, who made sure we'd be rife with esoteric symbols in our nation were trying to perpetrate an evil scheme. Symbols (writing) are what permitted humanity to communicate, preserve knowledge and progress from generation to generation instead of maintaining the status quo.

Complex symbols can contain and communicate concepts in a way linear writing cannot, hence the use of yantras by yogins, sigils by magicians, and logos by companies. All symbols have only the meaning we put in with our minds, as someone on acid might see symbols of importance in rock patterns or peeling paint; because their mind is manifesting ideas in their currently-fluid perception.

All symbols are props, and unreal. The ideas are not and therefore on a very real level the use of the prop becomes a necessity. At least until we develop telepathy.

Those with an esoteric bent see the symbols as ways of accessing ideas and put much value on keeping them "pure" i.e. having them known only to those who will keep their attributions. The belief is that ideas become nonphysical entities and can be reinforced or perverted through use. Hence the terror of having their symbols "profaned", and therefore tons of secrecy.

Real mysteries cannot be had in words, or truly contained in symbols. Symbols and words (same thing) can help one towards gnosis by "pushing the right buttons", they don't just spread mental viruses, but vaccines as well. And knowledge doesn't hurt.. in short it is impossible to "know too much about mysteries".

So don't fear the polygons,  study them.

...or something to that effect....

Love is the law, love under will.
   
     Zejith Themis
      .:420-510:.
    FIAT IUSTITIA
    RUAT COELUM

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http://forum.noblerealms.org/img/avatars/1176.jpgComplex symbols can contain and communicate concepts in a way linear writing cannot, hence the use of yantras by yogins, sigils by magicians.......

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/siriarc/AASilver.jpg

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93, SiriArc...

Either something (HGA?) is pushing me (a little blatantly) to meditate on the A.'. A.'. or I just don't know.

This is the second time in a week that someone has slapped the initials down in front of me in a forum when I start blithering on about symbols.

So: what I have as far as "false knowledge" (words) I shall summarize.

Argenteum Astrum (and similar) are not the true meaning of the initials
I forget who said that the meaning of them was "back to the beginning"
A suggestion was made regarding the "city of the Pyramids"
'The adepts of the A.'. A.'. are "women", the aspirants are "men"' (either Crowley or V.V.V.V.V.; I don't remember if it was in a "Holy Book")

All this signal+noise I have is not helping, as I have not developed enough (any) ability in pratyahara to try and meditate seriously on either the initials or the sigil. Heck, I can't even keep a red triangle stable in my mind's eye yet.

An interesting qabalistic note... My nom de guerre (ZGITh ThMIS; randomly generated, funny story..) gives 420 and 510, 510 giving also "IShR"; "rectitude q.v. niyama, Ma'at, etc." Hence Themis. Now M.A.A.T. is considered a notarikon for magister templi of A.'. A.'., yet in my spelling for 510 it's Mem-Ayin-Tau the ayin sounding "a'a" and therefore recalling the "eye (ayin) in the triangle".

Is this leading anywhere or is it random whirlings of the ruach caught in the grip of the demiurge? :-o

I really need to get into regular meditation practice *sigh*

93/93, all...

Love is the law, love under will.
   
     Zejith Themis
      .:420-510:.
    FIAT IUSTITIA
    RUAT COELUM

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Illuminati explained? What an ambitious title for a thread! I expect much from this thread, if it really gets to the bottom of the question... Before explaining we should characterize and describe first, then objectivate tendencies and patterns, and at the end come up with a theoretical synthesis. But first, we have to get ALL the pieces of the puzzle, and we certainly didn't... well not yet! that's the point of networking, sharing info and points of views and understanding.

I think that at the bottom line, Illuminati is the greatest (on the human level) ennemy of our quest for the Grail, i.e. spiritual evolution. they simply want to detroy all our chances to evolve in the right way towards the spiritual, by binding us to matter (in different ways) or taking us into spiritual dead-ends. Illuminati is the shadow of a the true brotherhood of the Grail. This is fairly easy to understand compared to our truly puzzling Grail quest.  The deeds of spiritual beings involved in our ascension are harder to comprehend than the machinations of those who want to divet our attention from the true Grail path.

So my point is, learn to know the Path, and then the manipulations of Illuminati will appear clearly before your eyes. Illuminati is simply the shadow of that great school of ascension that helps us to evolve spiritually through reincarnation and the development of spiritual faculties in accord with spiritual Helpers.

This is my point. It is a bit simplistic I know. You may bring some nuances to my sayings if needed.
But most important is not to know your ennemy but to know yourself (as a spiritual/material being in a spiritual/material world). Then, once you learned to become a true spiritual researcher, you may look at the world (this corrupt world) calmly, with clear eyes (and with a feeling of responsibility to awaken yourself and others who want to be helped). You'll no longer be afraid but calmly tenderly feel appealed to give the best of yourself to the world and thus share understanding with others, if they ask and if they really, sincerely, want to be helped.

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Well said druid - thanks for the insight.

Is there really a positive "true brotherhood of the Grail", in 3d?  (ie not incarnated light beings.)  If so I wonder what they would would be involved in, if we would see the fruit of their works or if they would be totally in anonymity.  Stuart Wilde mentioned one time that a positive non-luciferic 'brotherhood' will be starting to make themselves known (not personally known) at this time in history.

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti