The Vibes Of Different Places To Live (Page 1 of 4)

ahhhhhhhhhhh!  noooooooooooooooo!   

I'm going to have to add my two cents here and give a very loud warning to LM, and anybody else who would consider this suggestion, and tell them that in my personal opinion, stay away from Seattle and Portland.  Absolutely, stay away.  I lived in that area for four months.   What's going on in the NW is so bad, so "out there," so bizarro that I actually wrote a piece about it.  And this isn't a case of "Oh, lyra is forcing her view on everybody and making people accept her perspective as the 'right' one...."  It's not like that.   Because it's not just me who has noticed it.  Since writing my Oregon piece, I've received emails from others who have also either visited or lived in the NW and they're all reporting the same thing.  Pod people up the WAZOO.  Realm/dimensional instability.   Chemtrail spraying like you have never seen.  UFOs, UFOs, and more UFOs.   ELF waves being broadcast over the entire area.   Rampant alcoholism and store shelves literally cleaned out of almost all alcohol.  Poverty and unemployment, just SO much destitution and poverty.  People drunk in the streets, openly rooting through garbage cans in broad daylight, etc.  And an economy that's so poor they have to invent revenue generating schemes at every turn.  It's against the law to pump your own gas.  Why?  "It creates jobs, ma'am," as one gas station attendant explained to me.  And that's just one example.   The entire energy up there is very low, very depressed.   And in my personal opinion, it's actually being artificially suppressed, it's a "conspiracy" for lack of a better term.   The NW is probably the craziest area I've ever been to, but I also had the time of my life for the four months I was there.  Enjoyed every second, because my mentality was that it was all one huge adventure, and the way it looked and felt was like nothing I've ever experienced before.   But I could enjoy it because I knew I was leaving.    Key word being "leaving."   Let's just put it this way.....from the first moment my car hit Portland on the I-5, I was struck with inexplicable anxiety.  A psychic gut intuition that just kicked in.  When I finally got to where I was going, parked my car and got out to walk around for a bit, I was struck with the most overwhelming feeling of panic and unease and anxiety that I've felt for any place.  Never experienced anything like it before.  Literally, ran back to my car.   In retrospect, with what I've since learned about the area, and what's happening up there and what "stuff" is doing up there, I understand now why that happened. 

I just feel a need to counterbalance the pro-Pacific Northwest viewpoint here.  I considered that place to be Dark City.  And when I left, with plans to get to the beaches of south Florida, I considered that "trying to get to Shell Beach."  And calling it Dark City is not that far off, because Portland, and most likely Seattle, (since it's 10 times worse than Portland from what I keep hearing) is a huge "free for all" experiment zone of some sorts.  There's many hands in the pot up there, doing very bad things.    If LM thought Princeton New Jersey was bad, as noted in other threads, then the Pacific Northwest is a million times worse.  Anybody with any sort of energy sensitivity is going to feel it. 

http://in2worlds.net/what-the-is-going-on-in-oregon

Kinsei,

I can't let you get away with that one...i.e., "blaming" someone for their negative reaction to a place by saying it's THEIR issue. That's doesn't hold water.

We all have an innate warning system built into our nervous systems - call it that fight or flight system - that is an early warning detector about places, people, and things that aren't good for us.

I've found in the New Age/metaphysical community that the biggest crock of bull pattootie is the old "blame the person for their negative reaction" mantra.

And in your post that is how you came across...blaming someone for having a FULL-BODIED, VISCERAL, STRONG, and IMMEDIATE negative response to a place that obviously wasn't going to be a healthy place for her to be.

It's great that you love it where you live and haven't had these respones. That means it's a good place for you. 

And there are a lot of really powerful places in the world - New York, London, all major cities that were designed on ley lines as laid out in researchers work like Goro Adachi - that have highly polarized light and dark qualities. So sometimes being in such a place is a great learning experience because both polarities manifest very strongly and you can learn lots of amazing things. And there is usually some balance there - meaning you might experience more extreme poles of some really evil people, but you might also find insanely beautiful and loving and good people within the city's radius.  I think that's what Lyra was talking about, how she was able to get into the wacky adventurousness of living in such a place during the time she was there, even though she didn't want to stay there for long.

But when she mentioned her initial, negative response to the place, this was  probably her own nervous system's negative reaction to things like cell towers, electronic beaming technologies, and other nasty stuff that has gotten a lot worse in certain areas over the past fifteen years.

Princeton, New Jersey, was for me initially a place like the way you describe your area - dynamic and powerful and full of interesting and intriguing energies and people. I fully expected to live the rest of my years there.

Then a weird thing happened. Seemingly overnight (really, it was stretched out over about six to eight months) the energy of the whole place turned into the darkest thing imaginable. To this day, I have real suspicions that it isn't "real" anymore, that it may indeed have somehow become an entirely simulated environment. Because people don't have auras and the trees don't even have auras for the most part in that town's immediate vicinity. 

The only people who noticed this were the shamans and healers and psychics who HADN'T yet signed on to working with the usual parcel of questionable critters associated with Reiki, martial arts, and many other modalities that can plug you into bad stuff if you're not careful.  The people who were still sensitives but who hadn't plugged into those things (and receive the ensuing entity attachments, which can cloud perception of dark vs. ligh) ....we all realized we had to move and move soon. And this was a bit of a shock to us because it was like the entire town spit us out!  And most of us were in the middle of long-term leases and other inconvenient legal arrangements which made it challenging to move.

But my dreams quickly showed me details pertaining to the place we would end up....and independent of that, we began whimsically checking out all manner of towns and areas we wouldn't normally have considered checking out.

In the dream I saw some very specific things. It was like we were sharing a house or were living extremely close to some other people, and I saw this one specific woman in her 60's, very earthy, funny, and cool; I also saw her planting heads of lettuce out in the garden; and I also saw a beautiful black labrador male dog.

When we came to look at this place, it was for a house rental on a huge 100 acre farm.  The owner was the woman in my dream - and we had mutual past life good vibe feelings - we definitely "knew" each other.  The first summer we lived here, in our shared garden, she decided to plant some lettuce heads.  And one of the doggie guardians of this place turned out to be Rosie, the beautiful old black lab who just recently had to be put to sleep due to worsening health conditions. So the main details in my dream ended up completely corresponding to this place.

I believe that our nervous systems, our dreams, and our higher mind DO guide us about where we should be and where we shouldn't be. Sometimes it can be tricky to discern between authentic psychic insights and stuff that might be a programmed or manipulated synchronicity -- so you shouldn't just chase after anything you sense. You have to sniff things out, test the energy and the information carefully. 

And the main way to discern if you are receiving genuine psychic insight from Spirit vs. something manipulated is.....does the insight grant you a feeling of peace and well-being, does it have logic and order that seems beautiful and miraculous, does it help you feel nurtured and safe? 

Manipulated synchronicites jerk you around and displace you from a sense of personal power and well-being.  They're spooky and freaky, not warm and good. Psychically open people in their early stages often run around chasing negative synchronicities thinking they're messages from a High Place, when really, you just see their lives becoming more chaotic and filled with disharmony the more they react to each ubercool synch.

Genuine psychic premonitions or guidance carry feelings of clarity, balance, and wholeness to them. As you start to apply that information to your life, using it in some way, you see how beautifully it fits into the framework of who you most want to be and HOW you most want to be. A piece of the cosmic jigsaw puzzle fitting beautifully into your life.

But I digress. My main point was just that if you or anybody gets a strong, clear, unmistakable sense of a geographical location being unhealthy or wrong for you, LISTEN TO THE DARNED MESSAGE.  There can be a variety of factors involved with why a warning like that happens - electrical disturbances in the area that might cause you to develop physical cancers because the vibration is so off; negative people you don't want to have to deal with; physical disease (because this same warning system within us can also prevent us from going places where we can pick up physical illnesses) etc.

If someone is out of resonance with a particular place, it's because they're out of resonance.

Dont' apply some flappy dappy New Age mindspeak into the situation and blame the person for HAVING THE NATURAL RESPONSE THAT THEIR NERVOUS SYSTEM BLESSEDLY AND WONDERFULLY PROVIDED FOR THEM.

I'm shouting here because this goes into a much deeper issue that I saw way too many times in my prior counselling practice where this same thing was enacted on an interpersonal level. Girl meets guy or guy meets girl and one of them gets a horrific gut level sense that this person is "bad news" for them. Then sexual attraction heats up, suddenly they're involved, and weeks or months or years later the person has to extract themself from an abusive relationship. Because they didn't honor the "Danger, danger Will Robinson" message that their nervous system provided them in the beginning and they continued along a path of danger.

We need to listen to our body's warning system. End of story.  And what might be dangerous to one person might not be dangerous to another, so that's great, people are going to make choices that they need to make. But don't minimize or condescend about someone having a negative reaction to a place, because that is the person listen to the wisdom of their cells....and MORE people need to be doing that.  If more people did, and they avoided places or people that they could sense were bad news for them, people in the counselling professions wouldn't always have to pick up the broken pieces at the other end after the person "psychs themselves into" the situation, telling themselves that fear is just stupid, overriding their system's natural protective mechanisms and getting into bad trouble.

If I sound angry it's because I had too many people die on my watch because they couldn't leave their abusers.  And I had husbands threatening to come over to my place and shoot me with their rifles when I tried to get their wives out of those homes.

Many times, I was able to succeed and help the women or men involved, but sometimes I wasn't.

If ANY OF THEM had acted on their INITIAL RESPONSE when getting to know their abusers and RAN AS FAST AS THEY COULD IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION......they wouldn't have had to remain in those abusive situations. They wouldn't have procreated with those monsters. And they wouldn't have sunk into financial ruin because of being tied to their abusers. And they wouldn't be dead.

Fear is not a bad thing. It is a GOOD THING. It is a wise tool that we need to utilize and honor. Otherwise, we are setting ourselves up for situations and people that are not good for us.

End of lecture. Thanks for listening.

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

Whoa, whoa, whoa.  Time out.

I must say I am incredibly surprised by this reaction.  Lyra I understand, but LM?  C'mon, you know better than this:

I'm sorry that your painful past experiences with this have affected you so strongly, but I don't jive with this at all.  Initial response is a product of intuition, not fear, and yes you are absolutely right that that intuition should be listened to.  But from all of my experience, those intuitive instincts are only translated into fear when there's an element of resistance on one's part in listening to them.

For example, if you're in an abusive relationship, and your intuition is telling you to get out, by god YES, get out.  But why be afraid when doing so?  The fear is unnecessary; just get out!

Is there a valued need for this intuition?  Most definitely; it is absolutely essential, as it is our higher self that is telling us what must happen.  But fear?  Fear has no place in this and does nothing but disservice.

Understanding my post to Lyra is flat-out impossible without a recognition of the difference between one's intuition and one's feelings of fear.

I have no qualms at all with Lyra not resonating with the PNW.  She is where she is and she'll be where she'll need to be, and all is as it should be.  What made me say what I said was how her post was laced in darkness.  This isn't about "blame", it's about discernment.  I didn't say Lyra was somehow "at fault" for feeling the way she did, I said she should ask herself why she felt this way.  Is there something wrong with that?  Why exactly did this touch a nerve so strongly?  You're talking so strongly (and IMO, accurately) about pod people acting erratically when their foundational thoughts, beliefs, and actions are called even slightly into question... why diminish yourself by exhibiting the same behavior here?

I'm not blaming anyone, I'm not saying anything is wrong with anyone, but I am saying that people should consider carefully why they respond to things the way they do, as it's essential in monitoring the energy one emits.

I've had plenty of "sour vibe" places too; I visited New Orleans the spring before Katrina, and felt ickiness the whole time.  I visited Florida last year and felt something similar too.  But I did not follow up on those reactions by acting in fear, nor did I lash out at anyone who suggested that those places may be nice places to go to if they jive with you.  I simply said "I can't stay here" and that was that, because that was the right response for me.

Can you not see the difference between that, and the way Lyra responded to my recommendation of the PNW?

Lyra, I'm not denying the high weirdness here at all.  YES I see the chemtrails, YES I hear the ELF waves, YES to so many of those things.  And you know what?  When I first moved here, I experienced all kinds of problems as a result of those things... but part of my experiencing those problems was my own resonance with them.  I gave them my attention (as in "oh no the chemtrails are out today"), and felt sick and such as a result of it.  Those problems grew in strength over a couple years...

You know how I got out of it?  I finally re-exercised my power of my own life and what I choose to resonate with, and decided with full intention that I was not going to spend my days worrying about externalities that I thought were beyond my control, because that would be based on a lie... the externalities are what they are, but my response and resonance with them is within my control, and as such the only way to finally deal with those problems was to say "Enough!" and get rid of my fear.

In the case of chemtrails, something I had worried about for several years constantly until this decision that Enough was Enough, within mere days of this decision, I was guided to go and buy a Neti Pot to deal with my sinus problems (which I attributed to the chemming).  I haven't had a sinus problem since, and now whether or not there's spraying in the sky has pretty much zero effect on my day.  Same thing with other external problems, which I've found interesting solutions for that fit my own situation.

The key overarching factor is a strong effort to remove any fear that I feel, and instead relying on intuition alone without letting the resulting emotions cloud my response.  The more I've done this, the more life has gotten easier and filled with light, the more obstacles have been removed from my path, and the more awareness I've gained.  That is transmuting these energies, whether they originated from man or not.

You are all smart, intelligent, and awakened people, and you wisely council so many others on understanding, maintaining, and increasing their level of spiritual power and connection with the Source as a whole.  So why, why do you then go and limit yourselves and others by acting like these things are out of your control and must be feared?  You know better than this.  You all do.

She "knows better than this"?  How old is she Kinsei.....three?  That's the way one talks to little children.  What a nice way to not-so-artfully deflect attention away from the point being made by making it about what she "should" apparently know, talking down to her like a child.   

One could say that as a grown adult yourself, you "should have known better" than to make the mistake of using faulty logic hiccups throughout both your posts.   I mean, since we're on the topic of who "should have" known what around here.     

Translation:   "Because you disagree with me, you're obviously not understanding what the difference is between intuition and feeling fear."   It can't possibly be that...I just disagree with you. 

You know, you could just say, "We'll just have to agree to disagree here.  You have your views and I have mine, and we'll leave it at that."   Imagine that approach!   But no, instead, there's a continual pattern of trying to show how we're in the wrong and obviously just not on par with you.   

If you didn't, then you wouldn't have bothered to respond.   But you did.  And not only that, but you went after me personally.  I didn't put you down, I only discussed my observations of the northwest.   You on the other hand got very weird, and personal.

Translation:  "Because you don't see things the way I see things and don't agree with my point of view, your post is obviously laced in darkness."

Translation:  "Because you disagree with me Lipstick Mystic and have called me out on some of the silly things I've been saying, you're acting like a pod person yourself.  So as long as you agree with me, you won't be lumped into the same category as them." 

I'm thinking a hefty dose of "Why don't we just agree to disagree" is in order here, but, that's just me.

Translation:   "Because you disagree with me, I'm going to just keep reiterating over and over and over that you all need to analyze yourselves and question yourselves more.....until you finally wake up and see things the way I do."

My reaction wasn't acting in fear.   I'm sorry you seem to feel that it was, and that seems to be the crux of the entire issue here.   You are absolutely convinced, for whatever reason, that because I noticed some of the things that are happening in the NW and mentioned it that I am responding in fear.   There was no fear in my reaction.   Have you even read the write up I linked to?  I very calmly discuss all the things noted in my previous post, and more, and with a large amount of tongue-in-cheek humor to boot.  But you just have it in your head that I'm all, "ooooooooohhh!!   OOGEDY BOOGEDY!" full of fear.  Very weird. 

With all due respect, I think you're out of your mind here, but, that's just me.     

Well, don't know about you, but I didn't have an "OH NO!  IT'S _________(fill in the blank)" attitude about any of the phenomenon I mentioned.  In fact, I was so ignorant of it all I didn't know I *should* be "ooooooooohhhh!   OOGEDY BOOGEDY!!" about any of it.   So again, I'm sorry that you've mistakenly misunderstood where I'm coming from and what my actual attitude is.  You've done nothing but assume since this entire exchange has begun.

That's great that you got out of it.   However, I was never in it.   So again, sorry that you've mistakenly assumed that I was coming from a place of "ooooooooohhh!  OOGEDY BOOGEDY!" fear, but truly, I never was.  At best I was very curious and like "hmmm...."   But that's it.   Considering what I'd already been through in life before getting to Oregon - you seriously have no idea - those things certainly didn't provoke fear in me.

Again, I'm glad you don't have fear, but it seems to me that because you did in fact have fear, you've mistakenly assumed that I was obviously coming from that same place.  You've projected what you know about yourself onto me, never even considering for a moment that I could be different. 

"Controlling Fear:  Part I" from the movie Donnie Darko:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQxt9kSY0jU

"Donnie Darko Tells Off Jim Cunningham"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2svLAtkdgGA

I love this movie, and all of your "you have fear" talk reminded me of how Jim Cunningham sounds.

Translation:   "Because you don't agree with me, you're obviously not living up to the smart, awakened, spiritual people you claim to be."   With a dose of condescending "You should know better than this you silly three year old!" thrown in for good measure. 

At this point I'm going to suggest that we agree to disagree.  You have your views, I have mine, and you've made some incorrect assumptions about where I was coming from, mistakenly believing that I was fearful, when in fact I wasn't. There's nothing else to say at this point when an entire exchange is founded on a misunderstanding.

Okay, I think we're reaching some degree of consensus here.

Visavis, I agree in hindsight that the tone of my post in writing may have come off as somewhat arrogant.  For that, I apologize.  I assure you that was not my intent; I suppose this is one of those difficulties in conveying something through written words only when to fully communicate an idea, more is required (such as being able to look in someone's eyes).  So again I assure you, no conscious ego or arrogance was intended; I've been too humbled by so many of my steps in this incarnation to assume that I know everything, and was not attempting to convey as such.

Lyra, I'm perfectly content to "agree to disagree", but with all due respect just as much as you believe I am assuming things about you, you must understand that you are also assuming many things about me... the key one in this discussion being that you are assuming that just because I am challenging you to ask "why" that I believe your doing so will then make you "agree" with me so that I'll be "right" or something to that effect.  On the contrary, I have no need to be "right" about whatever assertion you believe I was making.  Nor do I have any need for you to agree with me.  All that I asked for you to do is ask "why".  That is all.  That act alone, regardless of its outcome, brings about tremendous amounts of wisdom (wisdom that will be right for you; it doesn't need to be in agreement with me), and regardless of the details of its content, the one thing all wisdom has in common is that it shines light on something that previously was hidden.  That's the beauty of introspection; it transmutes energy and converts more darkness into light, and the more that I and others I know have done this, the more that Work has made our lives brighter.  Don't ask "why" for me, ask it for yourself.

And LM, I think in our case, resolution is easy, as pointed out by visavis' excellent excerpt... we just weren't talking about the same thing.  What you're calling the "good kind of fear" isn't something I don't generally use the word "fear" to describe; I prefer terms like "alertness" and such.  But that's just semantics, and I guess it's part of the human condition that words never quite work sufficiently to convey what we're trying to say.  If I translate your usage of the word "fear" in your replies into these other kinds of words that I'm more used to using for that idea, and you do the same for me (perhaps translate my "fear" into something darker like "trepidation" or "panic" to get the general sense, albeit perhaps with less magnitude) then we'll probably be on the same page again.

Kinsei.......Your whole new age guru schtick of "Look within Lyra.....ask yourself why.....look within...." is because you mistakenly believe I had "dark fear" that I needed to explore, no?  Well as I have already said: There is no need to "ASK WHY" because there was no fear to begin with.   So for the love of Elmo, stop telling me to look within and ask why.  You sound utterly ridiculous by this point.  Moving on now, to enjoy the rest of the posts in this thread.

Yes! It's weird because you would think "by a river, it must be tranquill", but it's anything but. The aura is very dense, but I think the people there make it more so that way than the land itself, or maybe that land is made for pod people (considering Edgewater was ignored over 10 years ago, now touted as "NJ's Goldcoast area". I sometimes believe NJ is pretty dumpy and I think common expressions like "Jersey Trash" or my favorite "New Jersey: The Toxic State" say alot more than people realize. Last week, I was at another part of Bergen County and woof! I seriously felt helpless around there, like the life out of me was sucked out. I became increasingly better once I knew my bus was going back to NY. Felt clausterphobic in the Lincoln Tunnel and once I saw the buildings of Manhattan, I felt at ease. Yay. But anyway, there are pod people galore too in Edgewater.

These people talk all day about stocks or which house or condo they sold or how they might get another car, maybe the new mini BMW suv. Same thing with my job. The people who live at the building I work at have no passion in their eyes and just content with the little superficialities life presents them. They were seriously upset when the Yankees lost to the Tigers while I'm standing there saying to one guy "you're joking, right?" and their response was "You're a Mets fan. I knew it! They're going to lose." Yeah, ok. So I went along and said I was a Mets fan and walked away, just so I wouldn't have to talk to them. I think that's the best way to deal with pod people and that's just to walk away. It's easier said than done, but once you grasp and experience that "walk away" feeling (mentally, emotionally, spritually and of course physically, if u can), it's pretty great.