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How does this information fit with the thesis that Franklin and Jefferson were "Attas of the True Light"?

Fritz Springmeier - Bloodlines Of The Illuminati (c1995)
(free for download at: http://fritz-springmeier.dbs2000ad.com/)

(from the Astor chapter)
"Hell Fire Club --
This was a secret Satanic cult which was associated wIth early Freemasonry. When
the connections became known between the Satanists of the Hell Fire Club and the elite of
Freemasonry, Freemasonry and the elite made some radical moves. First, Freemasonry publicly
proclaimed that it had nothing to do with the Hell Fire Club. Then the Hell Fire Club was
publicly disbanded by the government (acting on orders from people that tied-in with the club). Later,
quietly the club was reconstituted. Phillip, 1 at Duke of Wharton (1698-1731) who was the second
person of nobility to be Grand Master of England’s Freemasons (G.M. of the Grand Lodge 6/1722-
11/25/1723) was president of the Hell Fire Club. He was an M.P, in the House of Lords. In 1726, he
left England and was a basically brought into ill-repute by the Masons, who distanced themselves
from him. George Lee, Earl of Lichfield was also another prominent Mason who was a
member of the Hell Fire Club. Benjamin Franklin, who was the head of the American Freemasons in
various capacities, and also the head of the Rosicrucians and a number of other secret occult groups
was also a member of the Hell Fire Club. Benjamin Franklin’s satanism was not mentioned in my
Be Wise As Serpents book, but he was an important Satanist who was part of the Order of the Quest--
that is the group which has been entrusted with the plans for bringing in the New World Order of
Satan.</B> Remember that John Jacob Aster was very involved with Freemasonry, as were a number of
his intimate friends such as N.Y. Governor DeWitt Clinton and General John A. Armstrong. In
regards to the Hell Fire Club, the Earl of Sandwich, <B>Benjamin Franklin</B> and Sir Francis Dashwood
were leaders in the Hell Fire Club and were also Post-Master Generals of the British Postal Service,
All were Freemasons too. Their positions as Post-Master Generals allowed them total access to the
mail, and allowed them to spy on the communications of the 18th century. The man who became
Post-Master General after Dashwood, who moved on to be a M.P, in the Br. Parliament, was the
Mason John Wilkes. John Wilkes took over in 1766 (in 1774 was Lord Mayor of London). Wilkes
then brought one of the original Hell Fire Club members, a friend of his Willis Hill to help with the
Postal Service. The next Post-Master general was the totally corrupt man the Earl of Sandwich, who
served until 1771. <B>Benjamin Franklin spent the summers of 1772, 1773, and 1774 at Dashwood’s
estate in West Wycombe. The caves under Dashwood’s estate at West Wycombe were used for
satanic sexual rituals, which were participated in by Benjamin Franklin.

(later from the Collins chapter)

Two significant Collinses were Sara Aynn Collins and her older brother. Her older brother was a member of the Satanists who
called themselves the Hell Fire Club. He belonged to the Boston Hell Fire Club. The Hell Fire Club
has been discussed in previous newsletters. It has been pointed out in the past articles how BenJamin
Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were members of this purely Satanic group who practiced satanic
sexual occult rituals.

(later from the DuPont chapter)

The Masonic reference book
10.000 Famous Freemasons put out by the Missouri Lodge of Research provides this about Pierre
Samuel DuPont: "When 23 he published two pamphlets on finances, which attracted the attention of
the celebrated Quesnay. He then expounded the doctrines of Quesnay’s school, "the physiocrats."
Went to Poland in 1774 at the request of King Stanislaus-Augustus [a Freemason] to organize a
general system of national education. When Turgot became comptroller-general of French finances,
DuPont was named inspector-general of commerce....He was recalled by Vergennes to assist in
negotiating with England the treaty to accord independence to the U.S. in 1789 he was a member of
the States. General, but his reactionary views led to his imprisonment in 1792 .... In 1799 he
emigrated to the U.S. with his family, and at Jefferson’s request, started on a plan for national
education in this country. He returned to France in 1802 and was instrumental in promoting the treaty
of 1803, by which Louisiana was sold to the U.S."
Pierre Samuel was a key figure in attempts to create a national education system in both Poland and
the new U.S. A national education system was a Masonic/illuminati goal to control education and
take it out of the hands of sincere Christians. Jefferson, who was a Grand Orient Mason of the famous
Nine Sisters Lodge [Nine Sisters = Pleiades, Pleiadian Lodge, interesting, eh?, Tim], and apparently a key Illuminatus, was a close friend of Pierre Samuel and was
instrumental at several key points in Pierre Samuel’s life when he needed help. Jefferson arranged for
the first gunpowder order (which was a government order) when the Du Ponts went into the
gunpowder business. Benjamin Franklin, a key leader of several secret occult fraternal groups was
also a close friend of Pierre Samuel. When Benjamin Franklin arrived Dec. 1776 in France, one of the
first people who sought out to visit with was Pierre Samuel DuPont. During the next year after that,
DuPont was a frequent visitor to Franklin’s residence in the village of Passy. In 1783, DuPont
expected to sit with Franklin at the treaty table in Paris, but John Adams got the Americans to sign a
treaty with Britian without France’s involvement.

(later in the Du Pont chapter)

When the United States was created it operated under the Articles of Confederation. It was a
confederation of Independent states-each of the states printed their - money, passed their own laws,
etc. The federal government was simply a League of Nations-type body. The Society of the
Cincinnati was partly responsible for getting that changed. The Society of Cincinnati favored a very
strong central government, a national bank, etc. The Freemason Baron von Steuben is credited with
starting the organization. The Mason Pierre L’Enfant who designed the CIty of Washington with its
hidden occult symbols also designed the logo for the Society of the Cincinnati. Every president of the
United States has worn the Diamond Eagle jewell of the Society of the Cincinnati. Wow. And I
hadn’t even heard about it until I got this tip from this ex-illuminatus. Benjamin Franklin was an
honorary member. The Marquis de Lafayette was a member. George Washington and James Monroe
were Original Members. At least 15 Presidents have been honorary members. Pres. Franklin Pierce
and Zachery Taylor (his father was an Original Member) were hereditary members.

(from Van Duyn bloodline)

For many years the world’s experts in running spies--the British empire under the control of the Illuminati.-have been using
certain professions for spying. For instance, Postmaster Generals are used for spying because they can
control the secret spying on mail. An example of this, Benjamin Franklin, postmaster general for the
colonies, was an important spy for the Illuminati’s British Trading Companies/British government in
the colonies. (To understand his role in the Illumminati contrived American Revolution read chap.
3.4. in my Be Wise As Serpents)."

Re: Amitakh Stanford

People would be well advised to remember that everything coming into this plane of experience is filtered thru the unique prism of the Earthbound ego self. Amitakh has her filters and what she offers is just another way of looking at things and for reasons I begin to see. Whatever she is saying there are some cosmic levels truths in this material, its up to the reader to sort and sift.
The one thing she has touched on that is also correct is that beings that are feeling trapped are going to be liberated. This is a fact. From another perspective, the forces of materialization are going to be backed off and relegated to their proper domain. This and other changes will take place.

StarCat

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StarCat, I find what you write to be very insightful and "right on". I feel very much on the "same page" with many of your posts.
If my posts seemed critical of Amitakh, that was not what I was going for. Her writing has been very valuable to me, and only because of that do I have so many questions on the little details! I resonate with the "cosmic level" truths in her material, there is much about it that feels very right, even though it is disconcerting at times.
You are very certain that beings who are/feel as though they are trapped WILL be liberated. This was the truth of Amitakh's material that led me away from a feeling of horror that I was experiencing every day in my life, this "promise of the Divine Mother". I still feel very trapped. My fiance feels more trapped than I do, and she expressed suicidal desires this morning to be, because she is so fed up with our lives feeling so far away from our intent/desires. We are horribly trapped from many angles. It is an unbearable position to feel as though one is in, because I am a very positive, up-beat person and I cannot deny how trapped I feel. I want to "affirm" my way out of it, "meditate" and do "energy work" until my life feels bearable. I want everyone to be free. It has felt unbearable for almost two years now, days and days of tears. Amitakh says this reality is a trail of tears. I understand. I feel as though I have lost everything but the pure essence within myself, which I can never lose. Everything else feels lost. My fiance feels as though she has lost everything.
Your certainty that things will change is uplifting for me. What other material is touching on these concepts? Where has your certainty come from?
Tim

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Hello,

  This is the first time I have posted here.  I tried sending Ken Adachi a message in regards to Amitakh and have since heard others have to and have not had their messages posted.  This was a message I wrote to Ken I decided to post at GLP.

In Answer to Ken Adachi’s Grave Doubts in regards to the work of Amitakh Stanford
Quote

Several weeks ago I sent a letter of support for Amitakh Stanford’s work, to the owner Ken Adachi of Educate Yourself.com. It has yet to be published on the site and I have not gotten a reply back. Maybe Ken has not had time to read it or somehow didn’t receive it. His site contains much information of interest as well as that of questionable value. To single out Amitakh’s work with his comments of having Grave Concerns about it could not be left unanswered. I have rewritten the piece that I initially sent to Ken, as the original message has been lost. So here is my rewritten version…
It seems that “all of a sudden with the publishing of the article “The Revised Annunaki Protocols-The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”  That you, Ken are now experiencing grave doubts about Amitakh’s work. You question her in regards to the Protocols actually first being produced in 1492. Why this brings up big doubts as it corresponds with another important date certainly doesn’t make sense to me. The Annunaki are very partial to the magic of numbers, one of the powers they have kept for themselves to use as well as astrological knowledge (note: the sciences are the guardians of these powers for those at the top who use them by their use of ridicule and denigration of these studies). They use the power of numbers to empower their negative agenda. So why not use the power of a date (number) that every school child in America learns and consigns to memory (in 1492 Christopher C sailed the ocean blue). So this number becomes enshrined and empowers their negative activities. No big question there. The Annunaki have been around here for many millenia and a lifetime is but a drop in the bucket of the lake that is their plans.
Ken questions the Annunaki allowance for certain science and technologies. How the Annunaki had guided and directed the Renaissance and the industrial revolution. Why he would question it astonishes me, as it is rampant throughout his site how certain technologies have been encouraged in the past century and others discouraged with ridicule, denigration and death to those who discover or attempt to empower technologies, sciences or knowledge that the Anunnaki (illuminati) do not want us to have. What happened to the Free energy technologies of Tesla, the health technologies of Rife and Riech to name just a very very few? Does he not think that the same has been not been operating for hundreds and thousands of years?

Ken then questions Amitakh’s stance on our forefather’s Jefferson, Franklin. He criticizes Jefferson for owning slaves. Jefferson inherited his slaves from his father and his wife. What would a free slave do back in the late 1700s and throughtout most of our countries early history? Where was a “free”  Negro to get a home, work and community? There were no ghettos as of yet for them to live in (Still not really free, we have token blacks in a number of professions, but the bulk of those who were slaves are still enslaved today. Read Sherman Skolnick on how mortgage companies and other powers have created the ghettos and hooked them into high rate mortgages). The Whites of the North as well as the South were quite prejudiced and a business that served them or hired them risked quite a backlash in their community. It wasn’t unheard of for a “free”  black to get lynched for whatever might be thought ill of them. Jefferson offered his slaves freedom and most chose to stay on as his slaves knowing that being “free”  in America as a Negro could be quite costly.

As to George Washington being an agent the free ebook (at the bottom of the www.xeeatwelve.net site is a link for a free ebook on Thomas Jefferson etc.)clarifies that quite well. Anyone can become an unwitting agent of the Annunaki. We all are to some extent since we are schooled in the history, science and religion that they created and we perpetrate on ourselves and our children on down through the ages. Those who do not question the societal parameters have all become unwitting agents of the Annunaki of the Virtual Reality. The British wanted their colony back and the war never ended for them. Financial debt is one of the their best tools of enslavement and Washington fell into the debt trap as did his successor. It was Jefferson who brought down the debt of the 2 previous administrations substantially and also fired all the Tax collectors, among other acts that got America back on track. America has been endangered as a Free Nation even before it got started. Since George Washington was getting a bit slow in his thinking he was an easier target for manipulating by those around him and there were always many agents operating to favor actions amenable to the British Empire, but not obviously so.

Benjamin Franklin is held up as some sick monster based on public Media coverage of an excavation under “his”  home. When did Ken start trusting the lying, whores of the media? His site once again is filled with info that would not make it on to main stream Media. The lap dogs of the Illuminati print and tell what they are told. Since Benjamin Franklin was one of the greatest foilers of the Illuminati plans it stands to reason that they would find away to malign him in the worst way. Ken suddenly trusts the mainstream media on uncovering this “truth”  for us?

Then someone tries to paint Amitahk as some frightening person or Being by sending in a photograph of her previous husband and her and telling us that he appears frightened. I had to brighten up the photo to see it and I could not see this fright that is referred to, but even if this person had a look of fright, that doesn’t mean that the fright is being generated by the person standing next to them. It could be the photographer, another person across from them or persons, or it could be an internal thought or even a pain in his body. To take a photo and to attempt to discredit anyone in this manner is really low in my book. As for the appearance of fright in his face I couldn’t see it.

Someone else makes an enigmatic comment that Amitakh has photos of her animals at the sanctuary.
“On Amitakh Stanford's website there are links that lead to photographs of animals from her animal sanctuary. To me, providing the photos aren?t some sort of error, they profoundly say a lot about Amitakh. [link to www.alukarheights.com] “
What is this person referring? I see the photos and all I can see are many different animals that have been provided a home and shelter and care by Amitakh and her husband. Yes, it speaks volumes that she and he love most deeply and affectionately all species. The stories about what she and her husband along with her animals have gone through also tell us that these are people of deep heart and spirit.


I see nothing in what you, Ken or any of the others have presented to be viable reasons as to question Amitakh and her work. There is little of the Truth to be found in this world. To be an agent of those who would close the door on someone bringing the Truth is a very sad place to stand. One must let their heart be their guide.

Article referred to is at this link...
[link to educate-yourself.org]

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Joy NW, welcome to NR! I agree with you, I have been deeply turned off by Ken's posting on the subject in the past few months! A few years ago I found a lot of exciting new (to me) information on educate-yourself.org, but it has REALLY gone downhill. I am quite sick of the Women Warriors and all the talk of "etheric blasting sessions" there too, but that's another rant..

I also sent him several emails on the issue, but he has not responded and seems to prefer to post his responses to flame mail from podpeople. Then he posts crap about the "10/17 activation" by quoting gems like this: "I believe the 818 event will present the perfect opportunity to bring the Force of Peace into the White House. My inspiration came two nights ago
during my meditation ritual listening to my U2 DVD: IN THE NAME OF LOVE."
[biting sarcasm] Yes, that makes sense, I know U2 have encoded all types of benevolent spiritual energy into their recordings, right? I mean, corporate, mainstream, commercial rocknroll... that couldn't possibly have any harmonics or subliminals implanted in it, right? Its all about love! Nice one, Ken. tongue [/biting sarcasm]

So anyway, it is frustrating to see a site like educate-yourself.org totally dismiss Amitakh Stanford, without even reading all of her material, definitely!

Now it seems as though Ken has given up even thinking about Amitakh, as he has dismissed her as "getting her information from Sai Baba" (incorrect, she did WRITE an essay ABOUT Sai Baba, but if anything it was exposing him to be under the influence of darkness) and he seems to have become really uptight over why her name has changed from Chiappalone to Stanford, and about who "DM" is supposed to be. Well, DUH, DM stands for Divine Mother, and DUH, it IS Amitakh using an alias! Perhaps she is subtly trying to imply that SHE IS an incarnation of the Divine Mother, that was my impression! So its weird that Ken is all hung up on this supposed "identity crisis"... I don't think its really an issue. I would like to understand better about who Chiappalone was, where he is now, and why Amitakh dissassociated herself from him.

I also agree with you about how inane it is to print a photograph of a person and say "See?? Look how FEARFUL his eyes are! You can totally tell he is a big scammer!" Oh really? What an incredible judge of personality you are, and all from a compressed .jpg image on the net! Your talents are wasted on photos such as this, go be the great medical intuitive you were meant to be, and give us your visual diagnoses in that field!

You can tell I'm touchy about the subject, because like you I found Amitakh's material to be incredibly valuable for me personally. Some of her conclusions strike me as bleak, because I do not believe ANYONE deserves to be judged as "unviable" by the Light. But besides that (and it is mainly an emotional reaction), I find her points very valid and insightful. What it all implies is anyone's guess. Thanks for discussing it further!
Tim

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I confess to a (morbid) fascination with the writings of Amitakh, whose site I have been visiting from time to time. Lots of mind-bending info that I"ve not run into anywhere else. At the least, it's great entertainment! I enjoy exploring and looking at ideas. I believe I've read all the articles up there... and from one perspective, it does make sense out of the depravity we see around us... her gospel that we are simply living in a kind of hell that is totally controlled by evil demiurges, who have separated themselves (and our world) from the Creator. We have lots of evidence for that, we don't need to look too far.

However, I can never wholeheartedly buy into that belief system. For one, its simply that, a belief system. And the nature of belief is to make whatever one believes real. I'd much rather choose a belief that EMPOWERS US, rather than locks us into a 'lets just wait until the end of the world and all this dark shit will be forever done away with' attitude. Thats very pessimistic, in my opinion.  And what's worse is that it really dampens one's motivation for making the most of this present moment. It's identical really to the Christian who is waiting for the rapture to extricated out of this hopelessly sinful, corrupt world... delaying joy of life to some future time, meanwhile the present moment of NOW is wasted. All because of a belief system.

We've been learning alot in the last few years how our consciousness creates reality. One way to perceive Amitakh's teaching is that she is assisting the dark ones in their agenda by DIVERTING OUR ATTENTION away from constructive, postive and uplifting creations. After all, our basic job description as humans is that we are CREATORS... what we believe and focus on creates. Bottom line is, there are lots of beliefs in the world. I'll always choose to believe ideas that empower me and help move us all towards a more benevolent and healthy world, Annunaki and all.

"The human mind, once expanded, can never return to it's previous proportions." - albert einstein

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Another aspect of Amitakh's writings I can't quite get my mind around is that it is so...... polarized. Light and Dark. Good and Evil. Well, I'm still working my way to an understanding of polarity. But, as I see things in this moment, (which could change tommorrow), it seems the destiny of life is a BALANCE of the light and dark to a singular, empowered wholeness. After all, as a concept, can light exist if there is no darkness (absense of light) for light to be defined at all? It seems like this drama of polarity that we are all taking part in is BY DESIGN for the evolvement of our souls. There's probably many, many other layers of 'schools' that we have yet to go through, and my guess is that there is never any end to it. But this one we are in now, call it 'polarity', is all we can comprehend right now, and it serves it's purpose to provide for us the great variety of experiences, and choices that all serves our ultimate human journey. Well, something to contemplate.

"The human mind, once expanded, can never return to it's previous proportions." - albert einstein

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thr33tim3 wrote:

"I believe the 818 event will present the perfect opportunity to bring the Force of Peace into the White House. My inspiration came two nights ago
during my meditation ritual listening to my U2 DVD: IN THE NAME OF LOVE."
[biting sarcasm] Yes, that makes sense, I know U2 have encoded all types of benevolent spiritual energy into their recordings, right? I mean, corporate, mainstream, commercial rocknroll... that couldn't possibly have any harmonics or subliminals implanted in it, right? Its all about love! Nice one, Ken. tongue [/biting sarcasm]

Right on the ball, Ken does not seem to be aware of Bono's NWO antics and manipulation, pushing gross misinformation about aids on behalf of big pharma and rubbing shoulders with the elite.
I get very bad vibes from Bono.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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thr33tim3 wrote:

You can tell I'm touchy about the subject, because like you I found Amitakh's material to be incredibly valuable for me personally.

If you firmly stand by her work and trust in it and find meaning in it, and are secure in it, then there's no need to become defensive about it if/when somebody out there in internet land criticizes it.   

You have to understand, this is coming from a person who's been down this road myself.  Being connected to Montalk means I've watched his stuff be raked over the coals by a certain group of people out there in internet land, who've also gone after me.  I won't name who the group is, but many on NR know who I'm referring to.  wink  Anybody who publishes their writings and opinions and theories out there on the web, or in books and magazines, is agreeing not only to put their stuff out there, but to accept all that goes with it......the good and the bad.  It's an agreement.  "I hereby realize that I'm setting myself up to be criticized and raked over the coals, and to possibly even be the target of character assasination."  Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, will be liked by all and have 100% of the population agreeing with what they have to say.  And that's life.  If we don't want to ever face criticism or opposition....then we need to lock ourselves up in our home and cut off all contact with the outside world.   

So Ken Adachi questions and criticizes Amitakh's material.  He's not the only one.  He's entitled to his opinion and criticisms.  We agree to that possibility the second we put out stuff out there.  We have to act as adults and just deal with it.  No protests of indignation.  No cries of outrage.  No temper tantrums of frustration.  Let 'em think what they will.  Because remember...you're secure in what you believe and know about her work.  Right?   If Amitakh's work is so good, then it will speak for itself, and you won't need to feel like you have to do defensive damage control.  If Ken is behaving in an unreasonable, "off" way, then his actions will also speak for itself.   Besides, people in the end are going to make up their own mind, regardless of someone trashing it, or defending it passionately. 

Just my input.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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40 (edited by tomatochip 2006-10-26 10:18:08)

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"I would like to understand better about who Chiappalone was, where he is now, and why Amitakh dissassociated herself from him. "

Good question, and I'd like to know also. After reading several of his posts on Rense.com in the late nineties, I had occasion to meet Dr. Joseph Chiappalone in April,2000 as he gave a talk in Mesa, Arizona at a local unity gathering. I belive he was partnered with Amitakh at that time, as he mentioned her occasionally and spoke of them as spiritual partners who shared a love for animals. He was cordial and nice to me.

The remarkable thing that happened was not so much the content of his talk, which was predictably about the 'terminal madness of the end times', but the diversity of REACTION to his talk!  Let me tell you, it was high drama!  He pushed alot of buttons which seemed to be spiritual in essence, on both sides of the polarity track.  Where I was at in my spiritual path at that time, I resonated with his message, as I had just recently been 'connecting the dots' and the illusion of our entire way of life had crashed and burned before my eyes. The Matrix movie had come out the year before, which impacted me quite a bit and had become a catalyst to shattering the 'veil of illusion' for me as it was for many others around that time.  His 'terminal madness' message seemed to make sense out of the insaneness I was processing at that time. It was intense shift I was going through.  So, I was keenly interested in what he had to say. You know when the 'ring of truth' bell resounds in your spirit? Well, for me, at that time, it was ringing.

The audience was SHARPLY DIVIDED in response to his talk. Many there in attendance loved the validation of what they had been realizing and discerning inwardly for some time. Others REACTED ALMOST VIOLENTLY to what he had to say, including my girlfriend (of a few months) who accompanied me. As he detailed his expose on the corruptness of the 'false creation' and its minions, her face turned dark and angry. Towards the end after she got demonstrably vocal as an antagonist to his message, he actually singled her out saying she was full of demons and that she was reacting because the truth thereatened their very existence!!!  Very bizarre, both the interaction and her reaction. The talk ended in a scene of chaos. For me, I was just objectively listening and considering his viewpoints and information, which i found interesting, but not necessarily buying into it 100%. But my companion went into total rage at what he was saying, to the point where there seemed much more going on than just disagreement!

Well, I am not necessarily defending Dr. C, but I have to wonder exactly who he is and what went on that day. And, where is he now? His message was virtually identical to that currently elaborated on by Amitakh on her xee-a-twelve website. What happened to his partnership with Amitakh?

That afternoon, after the talk, my girlfriend and I broke up -- so great was the chasm of perception between us. And I as was pretty wigged out by the intensity of her reaciton.  I had never seen her so angry before and it really disturbed me. I kept thinking, why is what this man saying pushing her buttons?  Her reaction was as if she had been personally attacked, when all he was saying was that evil was in the process of being obliterated. Was his speaking directly to the 'demons' in her actually accurate???  The thought chilled me.  Nevertheless, the essence of his message was really striking a nerve, and she wasn't the only one reacting--- there were several people in the audience there that day that had the same POLARIZED NEGATIVE REACTION. I concluded that there were strong spiritual influences around the group that day, both positive and negative, and perhaps this kind of thing was common for Dr. Chiappalone, who doesn't mince any words. Anyway, it was too emotionally upsetting to deal with, so we simply stopped seeing each other and I gradually just let the ideas Dr. C was espousing to drift into the ethers as I continued to live my life and seek to follow my own truth.

Well, to wrap this up, I went on to embrace (what I consider) a more balanced and less dogmatic perspective, but I've often wondered what happened to this interesting character. I can't find ANY information about him after around that time frame. I think the last thing I've seen posted by him was dated later that year or early 2001. He seemed to abruptly drop out of sight, or off the planet. Does anyone out there know what happened to Dr. Chiappalone?

"The human mind, once expanded, can never return to it's previous proportions." - albert einstein

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Fascinating account, Tomatochip, thanks for that! In his book that I've half-read, Making Sense Of The Madness, Chiappalone mentions how his message has, since the beginning (mid 80s), always had a very strong polarizing effect just as you describe. Some people it rings true to and its like a relief, other people react with HOSTILITY to it, often to a bit irrational extreme.

On one hand though, that may be the nature of his material, as it is essentially "exclusionist" to beings who are not found "viable" by the Light. If I expressed disbelief to Chiappalone and experienced him dismissing my objections because he was certain that I was "full of demons", I would probably find myself quite upset too, because what can you say to that? He is obviously convinced of his own message 100%, and he speaks from that attitude.

Tim

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thr33tim3 wrote:

Fascinating account, Tomatochip....  He is obviously convinced of his own message 100%, and he speaks from that attitude.

Tim

Good point Tim. I now view the whole thing as a dogmatic, inflexible exchange on both parts. And, as I said, I currently embrace a more hoslistic 'inclusionary' perspective. All was a part of learning. Still, there seemed to be 'more going on there' than just emotions. I'd be facinated to learn of whatever happened to him, because on a heart level, I believe he was a man who loved truth and goodness. That 'may' have been overshadowed and distorted by his ego, but I"m not one to judge.

"The human mind, once expanded, can never return to it's previous proportions." - albert einstein

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Re: Amitakh Stanford

Yes, Amitakh's material is strongly polarizing. It vibrates with high amplitude at a certain frequency, same frequency as you might find among the orgonite gifters who are heavy into neutralizing cellphone towers and smoking out lizzie bases. Some quixotic dynamic at play there. I noticed the material's extreme dualism makes naive love-n-light types gag violently, but seems very attractive to fanatical crusader types who enjoy getting themselves worked up.

I don't really resonate with any of the above paradigms and believe they can become spiritual traps if one does not eventually move beyond them. The "holistic inclusionary perspective" Tomatochip mentioned is a good example of keeping the baby while throwing out the bathwater, of gaining a more aware and balanced perspective of it all. Keep in mind there is a difference between rejecting it because it threatens your ego-invested beliefs, and rejecting it because you have found a more accurate and balanced alternative.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

Re: Amitakh Stanford

tomatochip wrote:

The remarkable thing that happened was not so much the content of his talk, which was predictably about the 'terminal madness of the end times', but the diversity of REACTION to his talk!  Let me tell you, it was high drama!  He pushed alot of buttons which seemed to be spiritual in essence, on both sides of the polarity track.  Where I was at in my spiritual path at that time, I resonated with his message, as I had just recently been 'connecting the dots' and the illusion of our entire way of life had crashed and burned before my eyes. The Matrix movie had come out the year before, which impacted me quite a bit and had become a catalyst to shattering the 'veil of illusion' for me as it was for many others around that time.  His 'terminal madness' message seemed to make sense out of the insaneness I was processing at that time. It was intense shift I was going through.  So, I was keenly interested in what he had to say. You know when the 'ring of truth' bell resounds in your spirit? Well, for me, at that time, it was ringing.

The audience was SHARPLY DIVIDED in response to his talk. Many there in attendance loved the validation of what they had been realizing and discerning inwardly for some time. Others REACTED ALMOST VIOLENTLY to what he had to say, including my girlfriend (of a few months) who accompanied me. As he detailed his expose on the corruptness of the 'false creation' and its minions, her face turned dark and angry. Towards the end after she got demonstrably vocal as an antagonist to his message, he actually singled her out saying she was full of demons and that she was reacting because the truth thereatened their very existence!!!  Very bizarre, both the interaction and her reaction. The talk ended in a scene of chaos. For me, I was just objectively listening and considering his viewpoints and information, which i found interesting, but not necessarily buying into it 100%. But my companion went into total rage at what he was saying, to the point where there seemed much more going on than just disagreement!

That was a nice insight. Sounds plausable to me that what he was saying about the reactions being triggered because the info was threatening to their very existence. That there would be those who are too far gone - those who's spiritual condition had become 'not viable'. _They_ are the ones who are 'not viable' spiritually because of that very thing he (and Amitakh) were also saying about the Creator of the 'True Light' having already made the decision to 'dismantle' the false creation because there was no possible way for return to source.

A friend of mine recieved a 'knowing' which strangely paralelled this message of 'the universe ending' :

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 783#p42783

I am as is Void.

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Re: Amitakh Stanford

lyra wrote:
thr33tim3 wrote:

You can tell I'm touchy about the subject, because like you I found Amitakh's material to be incredibly valuable for me personally.

If you firmly stand by her work and trust in it and find meaning in it, and are secure in it, then there's no need to become defensive about it if/when somebody out there in internet land criticizes it.

Do I strike you as defensive in my comments? I use cynical humor and sarcasm to color my points, but I do not think they are invalid or overly defensive.

I am not really interested in defending Amitakh or proving her points to other people. I think it is a shame that many people are so dismissive they will not even LOOK at her material, but it is ultimately THEIR LOSS in my opinion. I am choosing to be "open minded". I am interested in discerning the validity of her material. It is not cut-and-dry to me, and I've made that clear. However, a solid 90% of her writing at least "rings true" to me, so I am working on that. It is hard to even imagine being "secure" and "trusting" someone's material like this... if anything, I feel that ALL I can do is suspend judgment and observe if I find any validation in my own experiences. I've found a LITTLE validation, but not enough for me to say "yes, Amitakh is CORRECT"

The problem with so many of these paradigms is that they are full of paradox. One person is totally convinced of "STS vs STO", another person insists that the whole concept of "STS vs STO" is a red herring, and thats just one example. There are a TON of belief systems and paradigms that are discussed on here that really appear to be mutually exclusive... they contradict each other, they negate each other, they are sometimes the antithesis of each other....

Montalk wrote:

I don't really resonate with any of the above paradigms and believe they can become spiritual traps if one does not eventually move beyond them. The "holistic inclusionary perspective" Tomatochip mentioned is a good example of keeping the baby while throwing out the bathwater, of gaining a more aware and balanced perspective of it all. Keep in mind there is a difference between rejecting it because it threatens your ego-invested beliefs, and rejecting it because you have found a more accurate and balanced alternative.

Several folks have pointed out that the Amitakh/Chiappalone paradigm is "unbalanced", and that it smacks of a "trap". I used the word "exclusionist" because I think it is cruel to condemn *any* being as "unviable". I am still working on discerning its degree of "accuracy", but I still have not seen anyone post anything that really disputes it.

Here's the thing: what if she IS just plain correct, even though you find it "unbalanced" or distasteful in some way? Just because you do not LIKE it, does it mean it is not true? Just because it sounds unbalanced? I have not observed this Reality to be a Reality of Balance. Everything in this world seems horribly distorted and out of balance. Although I aspire to Balance in my life, I do not experience it (except in some meditative, inner-peace sense), definitely not in my interactions with or observations of the world. Likewise, the You-Create-Your-Own-Reality paradigm smacks of a really cruel joke to me at this point. Insisting that trapped beings with no power to influence the False Reality they are stuck in have MADE THEMSELVES THAT WAY, it sounds like sadistically blaming the victim. Many people are convinced that their "higher selves" have a PLAN for them here, and they had a REASON for having been born in this life, a mission. I am not convinced at all of this, and yes I've read tons of material that tries to validate the concept. What if your mission is actually to liberate as many True Light beings as you can find, and then get the hell away from this trap and never look back? Forget shaping this reality into what you want of it, what if the point is that this is NOT REALITY and is actually a big trap? YCYOR becomes a big head game then.

A review of her thesis: we once inhabited the True Light creation in unity with all, but "darkness" split off and formed its own False Creation, and entrapped countless True Light Beings along with it, tricking them by telling them they could have "their own universe/reality". The whole system of densities, astral planes, karmic paths, heirarchical spirituality, even the physical construction of this universe is all a system of entrapment, in which energy is siphoned off to feed Darkness. For millenia, the True Light attempted to reverse the damage with lots of Love, Light and Forgiveness, etc. It was found that Darkness only used these energies AGAINST the True Light, and to entrap even more beings. At this point, it seems as though Darkness's damage is irreversible. Therefore, rather than destroy this False Creation, there is a Rescue in progress whereby beings of the True Light are being extracted from this False Creation and returned to the True Light Creation, their home. However, the Rescue is a finite effort, and not all of the beings who were entrapped by Darkness have managed to resist the Dark influence, instead these beings have become for all intents and purposes, identical to the False Light (Lucifer, Satan, et al, Darkness is composed of 8 Evil Minds meaning several different beings). These beings have been judged "unviable", and they will remain in the False Creation until it is finally dismantled and converted to its basic energy essence, and returned to the True Light which created it. This is the fate of all False Light beings, and they will lose all their memories and personal experience, ego, etc. People respond in a polarized way to this material because it either resonates with them (they are a True Light Being) or it repulses them (they are False Light, or have become "unviable" over time). Those who are aligned with the True Light essentially have NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT except maintaining their own "purity and connection to the True Light", while they "await the Rescue". Those of the False Light have nothing to look forward to except total destruction of EVERYTHING THEY KNOW.

This strikes me as harsh, and nihilistic, and sad, and unfair. Yes, it does! That does *not* mean that I do not believe that it is a possible scenario, and that Amitakh may be "on to something here". Again, its a big paradox, and I am not aware of how to "prove" or "disprove" it to myself or anyone. Where do ideas like this come from? Why do they resonate with some of us? Why does this world feel like a big trap, and why does the paradigm of You Create Your Own Reality seem like a sick, cruel lie? I DO NOT KNOW if Amitakh's answers to these questions are CORRECT, but compared to a lot of the flaky "think positive and positive things will happen to you!" channeled paradigms I read in the past, her material actually seems a lot LESS deceptive than that.

Tim