Topic: Anticipating Terminus- A Program

I've been thinking lately...ugh yeah lets not get started on that ;-)

I have noticed I have been spending way more time here on NR than news sites, it seems the givashit factor is less, much less in fact than say, 2 years ago, for me.

What that means is, some of the ?s that weighed more on my mind have all but evaporated.... will we attack Iran, so on.

It almost feels like traitorous beliefs, (to self) in a way, because I SHOULD care, right?

Well, maybe not.

Is this programming...... AGAIN?

Why is it I am just now beginning to understand?

Thick.

Owell, the main issue here is this:

Feeling like I have made significant advances in many ways (largely due to this forum I might add)

But, some things seem to remain static, maybe stagnant is a better word, as far as my own desires. It seems I am just jaded. Simple things, relationships I have all but abandoned hope for, I don't really know why, and all along I have kinda been hoping that I would "come around", be fed, have a new outlook.

And I do- this is such a contradiction it seems, like I am always 'updating and ugrading'....up there, and physicality is just the same old maze it always has been.

When someone says "The American Dream", for example, I get this queasy feeling---- just another fairy tale that never was.

But I also have experienced at least little pieces of what that ideal represents, it's not a total write-off.

Lipstick Mystic mentioned mojo, now that is a word I have heard tossed around forever, never quite knowing what the meaning is.

There is a band named Stuck Mojo, actually that I listen to, and that name about sums up my sitch.

Is this "stuck mojo" more programming..... to never expect anything real thrilling, to never dare to wish for a better existence.... a dream existence.

That's one extreme, of course.
I think I am somewhere in the middle, maybe leaning a bit that way, admittedly.

Even that shit they spray in the sky almost daily doesn't get much attention from me anymore, I have improved at looking past some of these negativehoods that noone can do a Fing thing about.

STILL....... wtf

same

grind

grr

;-)

Thoughts?                                J

"I hate dreaming. because when you want to sleep, you want to sleep. Dreaming is work. Next thing you know I have to build a go-kart with my ex landlord"
-The late Mitch Hedberg

Re: Anticipating Terminus- A Program

Hey there transient,

You know, I ask myself the same questions alot. Especially this evening. I think the events going on in the world fall into two categories. (Sorry, I cant format how I want cos Im on a german kerboard and they drive me nuts)

One stuff you hear about on "The news"
Two stuff you experience yourself.

I really dont think the "News" stuff can be brought into your reality tunnel in any meaningful way because A) you dont know the real story and B) it ´s probably been designed to provoke somekind of opinion or reaction to TPTB ´s agenda.

for these reasons I think the biggest emphasis must be placed on your direct experience in order to expand your definition of reality. That said - any information or theories which come into your circle of awareness, (via "news" the internet Etc,) do so for a reason (in my opinion) so these should also be "felt" or "sounded out" to see how they could be assimilated into your reality tunnel. 

If that makes any sense, well, could you explain it to me? (hehe jokes)

My thoughts for the moment.

Cheers mate.

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I trully feel you on this one.  I'm coming from a different angle but I'm right there with you.

Maybe the thought that your current perspective is programming, is itself the programming.  Who is to know?

And I do- this is such a contradiction it seems, like I am always 'updating and ugrading'....up there, and physicality is just the same old maze it always has been.

That sums it up well.  It's been hard lately for me to get the right words out but I'll try.  So here goes.

I want to create!  I don't want to perpetuate a system that I hate!  I want to be free!  I want to See!  I want to Be!

Why does everyone work?  Do they not realize how pointless this all is.  All that's allowed to be created here is only what will keep the system going.  It's not creation to me.  It's all just meant to maintain and sustain the system that I find completely insane.  It's lame.  It's ridiculous, foolish, retarded.

So yea, what else do I need to learn from the system?  How many times do the same senarios need to be repeated?

On average, we work 260 days each and every year.  I've roughly went to a pointless job 4,000 times.  Isn't 4,000 times of the same lame bullshit enough?

I've tried since day 1 to get out.  To set myself free.  And every attempt is thwarted either by other humans or just the system in general.  Am I supposed to learn to accept my slavery?  Am I not supposed to be annoyed that I'm stuck doing bullshit because people are too lazy and stupid to use their power?  These people aren't happy.  You can see it in their faces.

Here's something that's always bugged me.  This is a quote from the Cs in the last session that was made public.

A: Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the "past." People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the "Future."

I don't want the worlds to cease!  I want to create worlds!  How does the above reconcile with the reality that I'm working to maintain a body so that I can continue working to maintain a body?  How can I reconcile the insanity without shutting out or ignoring the pure stupidity of the human race so I can concentrate on my spiritual path?  Is it wrong to try to overcome the system so I can be free to do something that's worth doing?

My direct experience shows me nothing.  Oh sure, I can tap into the ineffable peace and stillness within.  Sure I can understand 99% of every spiritual teaching I ever read.  But the chasm between the inner and the outer is so vast that holding them both for much longer may not be doable.

I'm doing the f***ing best I can here universe.  FFS!  Would a little f***ing change in scenery be too much to ask?  I hear the Creator likes to be surprised.  Well, how the f*** can I be surprised when all I get is the same s*** no matter what I do.

Ok, erm, I feel better now.  smile

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Spiderman, z3, both extremely insightful posts.

You both do understand very well!

It is the same hamster wheel, maybe at some times my illusion of purpose is easier to maintain.

I must mention think I found out what a true (sub)human attack vector is about last week/ this week. I'll just say my normally pretty subdued self was really put to the test.

So that is having a bit of an influence on my overall attitude, but I really did not mean to vent, if anyone wishes to, please do.

What I said above is relevant for me 90% of the time, just get along with the get along. Not depressed, and damn well not fake-happy.

I have often wondered, if I am to believe we all 'chose' to come here, and if we create our own realities, I still see no possible reason why 'I' would have.

I have had some awesome experiences, and maintained incredible friendships, and if not for those, things would be vastly less tolerable, I am grateful always.

Dammit we're still here tho!

This cannot be it!  We have this entire universe we know NOTHING about, yet we stand up like amoebic fools and spout "we have confirmed the Earth is not flat"

Halle-fing-lujah

Nope, we get this here speck of soil.
This is home, it never felt too homey to me.

It does feel like I get more "homesick", for some other home, more with age.

The title of this thread could easily be interpreted as 'wanting death'

But I mean it more the way Jim Morrison did, "break on thru to the other side".

Terminal 4, offloading, don't forget to leave your baggage.......
                                                           J

"I hate dreaming. because when you want to sleep, you want to sleep. Dreaming is work. Next thing you know I have to build a go-kart with my ex landlord"
-The late Mitch Hedberg

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I have a post about this feeling of helplessness, pointlessness under the walking the walk section, under "looking for purpose".  I think we need to ask ourselves, what do we want?  And once you get an idea begin working towards that goal.  Most of my reading suggests humanits have relatively NO spiritual developement.  I think think spiritual developement not only offers an incredible learning potential for anyone who devotes time to it, but may be very interesting as well. 

I believe that if we are to accomplish things we must pursue them with focus, determination, and discipline.  Now I have to see if I can follow through with my own beliefs.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

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I have often wondered, if I am to believe we all 'chose' to come here, and if we create our own realities, I still see no possible reason why 'I' would have.

I've had the thought many times that one reason I came here was to experience exactly what I described above: the chasm between the inner and the outer.  I'm a gemini (also supposedly chosen by me).  I can always see both sides of an argument and so forth.  So taking this that I know about myself to a higher level, maybe I did come to experience this exact thing.

As tedious and annoying as these 31 revolutions around the Sun have been, the contrast between this and the inner reality has taught me a great deal.

I guess in the end we each have to know ourselves thoroughly in order to bridge the gap.  But, not just bridge the gap but be the gap and the two sides.

It does feel like I get more "homesick", for some other home, more with age.

For me, I get homesick for my sovereignty; my freedom.  It has been the underlining theme in many of my life decisions.

The title of this thread could easily be interpreted as 'wanting death'

But I mean it more the way Jim Morrison did, "break on thru to the other side".

Exactly.  It's not death that I seek.  It's Life that I yearn for.  And this isn't true living.  That's something I knew inside before I got jaded.  Hypocrisy, dishonesty with self, and mental laziness.  That's what I found from going to church as a child.  What I found at home was emotional feeding.  What I found at school was egotistical haughtiness and cruelty.  What I found after spreading my wings in this world was a smorgasboard of ever lower vibrational states of being.  This life to me is death.  Or at least the road to it.

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Hey Capitan- I have been following your thread, I just feel like I did not have anything positive to add, but I resonated with much of it.

Sometimes I get to the point where all the good vibes I should be getting just fall on deaf ears, ok I got all worked up, excited about some fresh information, or enthusiastic musings, and then the alarm clock goes off again, SSDD.

Is the fire of enthusiasm fueled by naivety and youthful ignorance?

I had so much passion at 17....... I want it back. It gets more and more elusive.

"the chasm between the inner and the outer"

Well stated z3, skating along, all is well, the ice begins to fracture..... the gap widens. The gap between who we are, and who we are somewhat "forced" to be.

Lyra's site name "in 2 worlds" comes to mind,
(that's not the only interpretation, I know) but that crack propagates until it is akin, for some, to straddling two glacial sheets.

"Fire and ice
you come on like a flame
then you turn a cold shoulder"

Something will change, I know it.
But why is so much of life just killing time, and waiting......

Appreciate the replies guys :-)         J

"I hate dreaming. because when you want to sleep, you want to sleep. Dreaming is work. Next thing you know I have to build a go-kart with my ex landlord"
-The late Mitch Hedberg

8 (edited by Natural Mystic 2006-09-21 20:59:23)

Re: Anticipating Terminus- A Program

Thanks for the responses everyone, very insightful and meaningful.

Is the fire of enthusiasm fueled by naivety and youthful ignorance?

Interesting you mention this!  When I first moved out of my parents hose I moved in with a fairly old lady who was by definition very spiritually oriented.  The most opposite thing we've experienced was when we'd talk about imagination.  I'd be on one pole expressing the excitement of spirituality, and really going at full speed with the synchronisities that happened at the time.  I would quit my job, spend all day playing not worrying about what she called "the real world" and "reality", on her pole she was expressing that because I am young I haven't learned responsibility and how the world works, a prime example of duality.  I don't know about astrology that much, maybe someone could answer but my sign is Aries.. standing for fire correct?  So maybe that is why I kind of dive right into the matter without thinking of the consequences?  Also, I am born on april fools day, would that have any connection with the tarot card named 'the fool'?

Back on topic, as an example of this I kept telling people that I'll never be getting a credit card!  Never ever.  But they answered with "Well you have to!".  For some reason, I feel as if I can do with out one.  Funny thing too, when I went back there last weekend to pick up a few things I had left behind, she again told me "how the world works" and this so called "reality", and my response made me feel quite peaceful as I said "It's my choice which reality I live in".

I've got a question.  Most times when I hint at the idea that the world is messed up to others, they always respond to me as if I am blaming the world, why is that?  I feel that our idea of the world needs to be seen from different angles, and that if the world is insane, then we should know about it, and dissociate from the negative cycle.  Maybe its just a defence reaction on the part of the program within the other, or maybe its the program within myself acting out against the other.


Any idea's on how we can live in physicality where everyone can do what they please?  Or will that be a trait of the new *something* that most feel is coming? 

I am thinking of one solution - instead of using the land to build grocery stores, and fast food joints, why not use that land to grow natural foods and some "fruit and vegitable" sites.  Surely that would help our diets?  Like I had a saying, "you know something is wrong when our biggest buildings are shopping malls", well in the town where I live anyways.  Is that not a little off?  Lets say someone works in a sweat shop, they work all day and make many many shirts and then right after they get off work they go to the store and can only buy 1 shirt!  It's the same thing in the western world.  If you work at a restaurant you could work one shift and afterwards after contributing to 100+ dishes you can only afford one or two.  And that is sane!?

Alrighty, I just thought I'd type out my thoughts.  I myself enjoy the act of writting, it is both fun and creative! 

Something will change, I know it.

As do I.

Enjoy this creation All, while we're still here smile

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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If people at a resteraunt don't work on 100 dishes just so they can buy one, then I think everyone would not be able to afford to go to a resteraunt.  Every person would make only one dish, their own, because they could not afford to go out.  I don't have much economics education, but that is my take on the matter.  I was reading a book called "A wanderes hand book"  this morning and read a bunch of stuff about people who were going through the very issues we are discussing on this thread.  Below are all quotes from Wanderers from that book, or the more lecturing quotes are from the "Quo".

"Last evening, in a discussion, out came the words that I have spent my
whole life changing myself to suit others just to be able to get along
with them. But it is now time to stop that kind of changing and start
being myself."

"So, at the heart of being a wanderer is that feeling of dislocation, of
being in the world but not of the world in which you ï¬ nd yourselves.
Because this situation seems full of discomfort, many who have wandered
here are simply miserable without ï¬ nding any comfort. To
respond to that need for comforting some who have responded have
leaned in their discussions heavily towards comforting wanderers by
encouraging a sense of separation from native Earth humans. We do
not encourage this line of thought because each wanderer, in coming
into your Earth’s sphere of influence, took upon it the responsibility of
citizenship of this Earth. As much as any other native inhabitant,
wanderers will be expeed to walk the steps of light when this
incarnational experience is at an end, and, just as much as any native
inhabitant of Earth, if the steps are walked to a point of comfort within
third density the wanderer shall not return to its home vibratory nexus
but, rather, shall continue in third density until graduation is achieved." -Quo

As wanderers you came for two reasons: to serve and to be tested. If
there is comfort in knowing that the path that is in front of each now is
the appropriate, destined path designed by yourself, then please take
comfort in that. There is always, in the illusion, the feeling that to be
without the heavy body and heavy experiences of third density would
be greatly desired. Yet, as soon as the incarnation is naturally over, the
seeking spirit gazes backwards and thinks, “Why did I not learn more?
What a great opportunity!”   -Quo


"My guidance is that many more of us were seeded here than were
aually needed in the end, because it was known that not all of us
Chapter One: Being A Wanderer
would make it through. The parable about the sowing of the seed says it
well. I feel I barely made it myself, and only by the slimmest of
threads."

"When preincarnative choice has given to you a difficulty, have faith that
you are a spirit advanced enough to participate in your own destiny,
that occurrences do not happen simply by chance, that the seeming
poverty, the seeming limitation, the seeming difficulty, the seeming
illness, is also a forthright aid in setting up a circumstance in which a
lesson of love can be learned under adverse conditions. Yours is the last
density with truly adverse conditions for the positive, or service-toothers
oriented person. Only in this density, the density of choice, dÃ…“s
this occur. Know then, that that which is in front of you is not more
than you can work with, is not that which defeats; you would not
program that for yourself. But you are stretching yourself, because you
wish to change, you wish to become even more polarized in love and
service to the Creator and others than you are now."-QUo

This stuff is signifcant to me, because I have been learning that I cannot control my actions with Rational thoughts, and understandings.  On a daily basis I go against what I believe is right, and follow my urges.  Below is the suggestion to get to konw your emotions better.

"We have often said that your third-density incarnation may be seen as a
school in which the illusion’s purpose is to drive the third-density seeker
from the head to the heart. Whereas intelleual thoughts have light
energy, shall we say, it may be said that emotions have heart energy, and
because of this the emotions contain more profound information than
any wisdom which the brain can encompass and speak concerning."

"I mentally tell myself, I'm safe, I'm OK, but my emotional self is
screaming, "No you're not, no you're not." It only proves what I've been
saying the past few years: logic and knowledge are not enough. The
heart is what gives things substance. If you rely on logic and knowledge
only, you get a shell and nothing more. The only way I can see a way
out of this is to work from my heart to get the substance back and
prove to my emotional body, "Look, you're safe, really.""

Anyway when reading it I thought hey this stuff is right along with this post.  "A wanderers handbook" by Carla Ruekert is online somewhere, montalk may even have a link to it if your interested.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

10 (edited by Poffo 2006-09-22 22:05:01)

Re: Anticipating Terminus- A Program

Natural Mystic wrote:

I've got a question.  Most times when I hint at the idea that the world is messed up to others, they always respond to me as if I am blaming the world, why is that?

The world is indeed messed up, but only because of the particular polarity we are choosing.   If we weren't leaning towards STO we wouldn't give two shits about what's going on because {insert edit}we would probably think that{/edit}when we die we're not responsible anymore anyway.  Most people seem to understand the idea that the world is in an imbalanced state to some degree but usually without understanding the deeper reasons why.  They probably think you are blaming the world because they are unwilling to accept their own part played in the crapulence.  This is the creation of all of us as we are all One when it comes down to it, and we might do well to accept the responsibility for all of the madness even if we're not "directly" responsible as individuated beings.  I believe that the state of the world is a symbolic reflection of the mind-state of the present and past psyche of it's inhabitants. 

Natural Mystic wrote:

I am thinking of one solution - instead of using the land to build grocery stores, and fast food joints, why not use that land to grow natural foods and some "fruit and vegitable" sites

This is exactly what I plan on doing, and think many others are starting to want and do the same thing.  It really sucks not knowing what you're truly consuming (pesticides, low-nutrition produce, other crap).  I would personally like to have a closer energetic relationship to the food I'm eating and I think that by growing it myself I could accomplish that.  While cultivation isn't ideal as it seeks to manage nature for personal reasons, foraging isn't exactly an easy thing to do these days smile 

z3n3rg wrote:

For me, I get homesick for my sovereignty; my freedom.  It has been the underlining theme in many of my life decisions.

I hear ya bro!  Since I was a kid I was focused on freedom and I could never understand why others sought  to deny it to others.  I think that spiritually we relish the idea of having our freedom taken away temporarily so that we may value it more when we have it once again.  Being without freedom is a great catalyst for spiritual growth, though often a painful one as we all know.

transient wrote:

I have often wondered, if I am to believe we all 'chose' to come here, and if we create our own realities, I still see no possible reason why 'I' would have.

It's my opinion (an apparently unpopular one among peers and parents) that at SOME level we have chosen all that we experience, whether it's a choice of our higher self or our conscious lower self.  A friend of mine often wonders why they would have chosen this life and all that it has offered, but I think that that very line of questioning is what will bring about the desired answer of our personal incarnational purpose. Denying choice is to claim victim and the Way of the Victim is the most stagnating path that I can think of.


We do seem to be headed towards some massive change on all levels and the polarization is the mechanism to separate those who seek freedom and those who seek to enslave or perpetuate a slave consciousness.  IMO, the very act of shedding the victim complex (snake skin?) will precipitate a lot of the changes that we are seeking.  How many of us could actually survive alone in the wilderness if forced to?  While dependancy has it's place in a complex society, it ultimately takes our sovereignty with it.  The problem is we are almost fully dependant on broken systems of the STS variety.  I would think that dependancy in an STO society would take on a whole new dynamic as the free for all aspect of modern society would be replaced by a mutually beneficial system where we would only be subservient to our own will and the highest good for society rather than the will of those with money and therefore power.

z3n3rg wrote:

Why does everyone work?  Do they not realize how pointless this all is.  All that's allowed to be created here is only what will keep the system going.  It's not creation to me.  It's all just meant to maintain and sustain the system that I find completely insane.  It's lame.  It's ridiculous, foolish, retarded.

So yea, what else do I need to learn from the system?  How many times do the same senarios need to be repeated?

On average, we work 260 days each and every year.  I've roughly went to a pointless job 4,000 times.  Isn't 4,000 times of the same lame bullshit enough?

I've tried since day 1 to get out.  To set myself free.  And every attempt is thwarted either by other humans or just the system in general.  Am I supposed to learn to accept my slavery?  Am I not supposed to be annoyed that I'm stuck doing bullshit because people are too lazy and stupid to use their power?  These people aren't happy.  You can see it in their faces.

This thread is very timely for me as I start a new job next Wednesday after many months of unemployment.  Funny enough it is for the same company I last worked for but in a different town.  I am actually going to be doing a less skilled and lower level position than before but making more money.  Apparently I didn't learn what I needed to the first time 'round!  At this point I realize it is pointless as far as freedom and enjoyment of life goes but at the same time realize that it will be a highly beneficial stepping stone for my goals which will require money, especially with the potential overtime.  I'm accepting my "slavery" but only because I realize that I purposely chose an incarnational setup that would provide me with relative Canadian economic security (though living near poverty most of my life) at the expense of survival skills and freedom from the capitalist system.  I'm definately not welcoming the unhappy faces that you mentioned z3n, especially since the blue collar faces of desparation seem to be a lot more unhappy compared to their white collar counterparts as they lack the financial security of the upper class PLUS have physically exhausting workdays.  The upside of it is that workplaces are GREAT schools if viewed as such.  One is exposed to all different kinds of people with different outlooks and personalities and if viewed objectively one can greatly benefit from such interactions (with appropriate guards up of course, spiritual safety in the workplace!)

I think we all suffer from this dislike of our present world at least to some extent.  Whenever it really gets me down I just try to remember that I (or the one true "I") created all of this so I could experience myself in a myriad of ways.  In the now moment I try to remember that I'm here to learn so what can the moment teach me about myself?  Sounds a little "self" centred eh?  Oh well, it's tough being an individuated portion of the larger whole sometimes wink

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Oops, typo, see red text

Poffo wrote:

If we weren't leaning towards STO we wouldn't give two shits about what's going on because {insert edit}we would probably think that{/edit}when we die we're not responsible anymore anyway.

That was probably easily misunderstood, my bad!  For the record I do actually believe in responsibility after death, he he.

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Poffo, I hope your employment situation goes well.

z3 brought up the point about work being pointless, I felt that way much more when I was younger,  I still do feel that way, ironically now I feel like it eats up a good chunk of time I would otherwise spend doing very little, so it is a good thing in some ways.

Believe me tho, I am quite aware of the slavery to the 'real world'.  Sometimes it does seem I am falling deeper into the illusion, even while struggling to distance myself from it.

Make sense? I doubt it....

Steady employment is a huge part of my stability and peace of mind. We are supposed to be happy little slaves tho aren't we........

Capitan and Natural Mystic, I have spent probably 15 years or more seeking 'purpose' and I don't know if I have made an iota of progress there.

I hope I am not discouraging anyone, that is not my intention, but to me it feels like if one doesn't 'find' something relatively quickly, at a young age, the fire begins to fade.

This is a personal thing, I don't mean to superimpose my own thoughts onto those who do have real desire.

Goals seem to be the real issue for me, if you set the bar low then you will reach those goals quickly and become bored. Quickly.

Like z3 said tho, I don't wish to perpetuate a system I hate, and most people's goals reflect where they think they are in 3D. That of course doesn't apply to many of us here on the forum, so what does that leave?

That's my issue. And to be able to differentiate between "programmed" goals, and goals of one's own heart.
Maybe my heart doesn't have goals, at least not lofty ones, I dunno.

I have been bored with life, most of my life....... I could have everything and still be unfulfilled, that's just me.

3D sucks.......

I did get some inspiration from your words guys, (believe it or not)
thanks ;-)                                        J

"I hate dreaming. because when you want to sleep, you want to sleep. Dreaming is work. Next thing you know I have to build a go-kart with my ex landlord"
-The late Mitch Hedberg