Topic: Lobeless ears

My Mum , myself and 2 of my children dont have any and i was just pondering if its a genetic thing that does not matter or if it has any metaphysical meanings that anyone may know about?

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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Barefoot Doc wrote:

My Mum , myself and 2 of my children dont have any and i was just pondering if its a genetic thing that does not matter or if it has any metaphysical meanings that anyone may know about?

When you say you have no lobes, do you mean that rather, your ears are attached to your head, versus lobes that hang free?  Or that you literally, have no lobes, and your ears are lopped off underneat the opening hole?? 



Example:


http://www.windows.ucar.edu/earth/Life/images/earlobes.jpg

"B" is an example of attached lobes, which indeed is a genetic recessive trait.  (there are many recessive traits in fact.  Click on this link to read a comprehensive list....  http://www.blinn.edu/socialscience/LDTh … 03hand.htm )

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Thanks Lyra, we are like Type Bs, Cheers for the Info.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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Barefoot Doc wrote:

Thanks Lyra, we are like Type Bs, Cheers for the Info.

No problemo.  wink  In fact, here's another list of dominant and recessive traits that has things the other one didn't mention.  Guess that other one wasn't as comprehensive as I thought. big_smile 

http://faculty.southwest.tn.edu/jiwilli … Traits.htm

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You do not know about Cagots, don't you?

It is a cagot trait to have lobeless ears. CAgots also had webbed feet, sometimes webbed hands. A bit like a mix between birds and humans.

Cagots were employed by Templars to build cathedrals. They were also Druids or Bards, learning and passing all the sacred knowledge of Druids. In the middle ages, they were racially separated from 'normal' humanity. They had their own door to enter the church, their on seats in the church, etc. The segregation wasn't bad though, it was to keep these 'sons of god' away from the 'sons and daughters of men' (compare with the book of Genesis: Sethian sons of Gods were pure and ascetic and it as a sin for them to beget with impure Cainite daughters of men; for Gnostics though, they were fallen angels who sinned against the pure daughters of men). With the French Revolution, this segregation was abolished and they mixed with ordinary humans.

Some say they might be the result of an interbreeding between humans and beings from the 'anti-world', anti-earth, anti-chtonian world (some Gods of ancient pagan mythologies are anti-chtonian, some are chtonian, some are celestial). 


I have one ear that is almost lobeless. I have assymetrical facial traits.

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druid wrote:

You do not know about Cagots, don't you?

It is a cagot trait to have lobeless ears. CAgots also had webbed feet, sometimes webbed hands. A bit like a mix between birds and humans.

Cagots were employed by Templars to build cathedrals. They were also Druids or Bards, learning and passing all the sacred knowledge of Druids. In the middle ages, they were racially separated from 'normal' humanity. They had their own door to enter the church, their on seats in the church, etc. The segregation wasn't bad though, it was to keep these 'sons of god' away from the 'sons and daughters of men' (compare with the book of Genesis: Sethian sons of Gods were pure and ascetic and it as a sin for them to beget with impure Cainite daughters of men; for Gnostics though, they were fallen angels who sinned against the pure daughters of men). With the French Revolution, this segregation was abolished and they mixed with ordinary humans.

Some say they might be the result of an interbreeding between humans and beings from the 'anti-world', anti-earth, anti-chtonian world (some Gods of ancient pagan mythologies are anti-chtonian, some are chtonian, some are celestial).

Could you post a source for where you got your information from?

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It's written in French. Do you read French?

CAgot have historical significance for the History of France (in cathedrals construction for example)

just google on 'cagot' and you'll find alot of links.

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Ca`got ´    (k Â¥`gô ´)http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Cagot
n. 1. One of a race inhabiting the valleys of the Pyrenees, who until 1793 were political and social outcasts (Christian Pariahs). They are supposed to be a remnant of the Visigoths.


Ca ·got ear (k-g)http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictio … /Cagot+ear
n.
An ear having no lower lobe.

n. 1. One of a race inhabiting the valleys of the Pyrenees, who until 1793 were political and social outcasts (Christian Pariahs). They are supposed to be a remnant of the Visigoths.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cagots

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Agotes or cagots were a discriminated minority in the Navarrese Pyrenees, Basque provinces, Bearn, Gascony and also Brittany. They have been also known by other names: Cagots, Gahets, Gafets in France; Agotes, Gafos in Spain; and Cacons, Cahets, Caqueux and Caquins in Brittany.

The earliest mention of them is in 1288, when they appear to have been called Christiens or Christianos.

During the Middle Ages they were popularly looked upon as cretins, lepers, heretics and even as cannibals. They were shunned and hated; were allotted separate quarters in towns, called cagoteries, and lived in wretched huts in the country distinct from the villages. Excluded from all political and social rights, they were only allowed to enter a church by a special door, and during the service a rail separated them from the other worshippers. Either they were altogether forbidden to partake of the sacrament, or the holy wafer was handed to them on the end of a stick, while a receptacle for holy water was reserved for their exclusive use. They were compelled to wear a distinctive dress, to which, in some places, was attached the foot of a goose or duck (whence they were sometimes called Canards). And so pestilential was their touch considered that it was a crime for them to walk the common road barefooted. The only trades allowed them were those of butcher and carpenter, and their ordinary occupation was wood-cutting.

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The origin of Agotes
The origin of Agotes (or Cagots) is uncertain. It has been suggested that they were descendants of the Visigoths, and somebody derives the name from caas (dog) and Goth. But opposed to this etymology is the fact that the word "cagot" is first found in this form no earlier than 1551. French historian Pierre de Marca (16th century), in his Histoire de Beam, holds that the word signifies hunters of the Goths, and that the Cagots are descendants of the Saracens. Others made them descendants of the Albigenses.

A far more probable explanation of their name Christians is to be found in the fact that in medieval times all lepers were known as pauperes Christi, and that, Goths or not, these Cagots were affected in the Middle Ages with a particular form of leprosy or a condition resembling it. Thus would arise the confusion between Christians and Cretins.

It was not until the French Revolution that any steps were taken to ameliorate their lot, but today they no longer form a class, but have been practically lost sight of in the general peasantry.

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See also
Alfonso Pérez Agote
Luis Agote, Argentinian physician.
Limpieza de sangre
Untouchables
Goths
vaqueiros de alzada
Baztan
Nuevo Bazt ¡n
Leprosy
Bozate (Arizkun)Cateogry:History of Basque Country
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druid wrote:

It's written in French. Do you read French?

I'm American!!  What American reads French??!?!

big_smile  haha sorry, bad joke!  big_smile  Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.....

EDIT:  Okay, in reading over what you posted, and the link you included which says the same thing, I'm not seeing the webbed appendages/"bird" connection thing you mentioned earlier.   I was wondering if you have a source that actually claims that Cagots were like a mix between birds and people.

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Again, my sources are in French, so I'll have to search for a source in English.

About the webbed hands and-or feet, I don't know if it was as cartoonesque as we might think or if it was more subtle traits. ONe thing is sure: they weren't half-bird half-man! They had certain traits that resembled bird's, like webbed feet. The absence of earlobes was characteristic.

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Well, I came across it while studying Macrobiotics. They have a side line that goes into oriental facial diagnosis. What I remember is this: a strong bodily constitution is manifested through big ears (amongst other indicators) with large full and free hanging lobes. You see this on all the Buddha statues, on Jesus carvings and on people's grandparents. Nowadays, since people are rapidly getting weaker and weaker, constitution-wise, children more often than not have small and pointy ears, lobes attached and ears tend to be higher up on the head instead of in the middle, meaning:
not so balanced, more like devils ears, not so good.

Whereas some would say it's genetic, Macrobiotic people would say it's the food being eaten, and the poor quality thereof. You are born with what you have because your ancestors ate a certain way. Industrial food is around how long? 60 years? There.

Since ears are analogically connected to the kidneys (kidneys = life energy, strength) in all systems that are based on the oriental, mostly chinese medical system like acupuncture, this undermines the argument.

But then, people live in cities nowadays and don't do hard labor outdoors, so I wouldn't worry too much. If you were born and managed to live that means you are fit for life, although you might not be able to do what your nextdoor neighbor does, but who cares, there will be other advantages.

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Elizabeth Gaskell
"An Accursed Race"
http://www.lang.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~matsuok … ursed.html

one of the only articles I found on Cagots (Agote) written in English.
I learned that they also called them 'Can Goth'; in French, a 'cane' is the female of the duck ('canard').

The gifted Dany in Kubrick's 'The Shining' is called 'Doc' by the black guy (in the French version, it is 'Canard')... Is there a link?



http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:WJ0 … en|lang_fr
Cagots are an outcast race or clan of dwarfs in the region of the Pyrenees, and formerly in Brittany, whose existence has been a scientific problem since the sixteenth century, at which period they were known as Cagots, Gahets, Gafets, Agotacs, in France; Agotes or Gafos, in Spain; and Cacous, in Lower Brittany. Cagot meant the dog of a Goth; they were of supposed Gothic origin by some, and of Tartar origin by others. These people were formerly supposed to have been the descendants of lepers, or to have been the victims of leprosy themselves. From the descriptions there is a decided difference between the Cagots and the cretins. In a recent issue of Cosmos a writer describes Cagots as follows:--

"They inhabit the valley of the Ribas in the northwestern part of the Spanish province now called Gerona. They never exceed 51 1/2 inches in height, and have short, ill-formed legs, great bellies, small eyes, flat noses, and pale, unwholesome complexions. They are usually stupid, often to the verge of idiocy, and much subject to goiter and scrofulous affections. The chief town of the Ribas Valley is Ribas, a place of 1500 inhabitants. about 800 feet above sea-level. The mountains rise about the town to a height of from 6000 to 8000 feet, and command an amazingly beautiful panorama of mountain, plain, and river, with Spanish cities visible upon the one side and French upon the other. The region is rich, both agriculturally and minerally, and is famous for its medicinal springs. In this paradise dwell the dwarfs, perhaps as degraded a race of men and women as may be found in any civilized community. They are almost without education, and inhabit wretched huts when they have any shelter. The most intelligent are employed as shepherds, and in summer they live for months at an elevation of more than 6000 feet without shelter. Here they see no human creature save some of their own kind, often idiots, who are sent up every fifteen or twenty days with a supply of food.

"It is said that formal marriage is almost unknown among them. The women in some instances are employed in the village of Ribas as nurses for children, and as such are found tender and faithful. Before communication throughout the region was as easy as it is now, it was thought lucky to have one of these dwarfs in a family, and the dwarfs were hired out and even sold to be used in beggary in neighboring cities. There are somewhat similar dwarfs in other valleys of the Pyrenees, but the number is decreasing, and those of the Ribas Valley are reduced to a few individuals."

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Well i did ask smile
Seriousley thought thanks for replies, interesting stuff, our ears are quite large and middle set but just have smaller attached lobes. Our family tend to be tall and skinny so not sure about about the cagot stuff but very interesting all the same. I dont think we have weak constitutions as a result of this as we are generally a lot healthier than the masses as a family, my mum is a very fit and young looking 73 year old  but i take the point about body reading and how the the body reflects the mind.
Cheers all

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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I think the smallness (pygmy) of cagots is no good info. They were pretty tall and skinny, according to my sources. Tintin (a comic character by Hergé) was a modern representation of French cagots.

Also, the don't have anything to do with leprosity or pestilence, this is a gross misunderstanding of the true reasons why they were 'pariahs'.

They were carriers of great Druidic and Bard knowledge.

The are of Goths and Visigoths origins. Steinre said that they carried special powers in their blood, powers that we, ordinary humans, have lost since the fall. Merovingian thaumaturgis-kings weren't descendants of Jesus and Mary-Magdalene but they had special powers like Jesus when he healed by imposition of hands. This power is retained from Atlantis and is described in the Nibelung saga of Wagner. Nibelung, Niphleim means Atlantis' fog and points to this special power of germanic tribes' blood. (this unity of temporal and spiritual powers that merovingians had - Charlemagne was sacred king in Rome- is the same as it was in old Atlantis).

CAgots are said to come from Pyrenees.
Does anybody remember what the Cs said about the Pyrenees?
4D STO and STS alchemists are there underground, in the mountains bordering Northern Spain and Southern France.

In Canada, on the East coast, there were Acadians, or arcadians. Their symbol was the blue lily. They had alchemical knowledge, that which is revealed in Oak Island mysteries. Also, the link between Templars and cagots is reinforced by the archeological evidences of Templar presence on the american continent before the 10th century, leaving behind traces of alchemical practices (Oak Island?).

Many Americans have French origins. Take Lyndon LaRouche for example, or Jack Kerouac, etc.  I think Katrina's help from govt. powers was deliberatly sabotaged for ethnic cleansing reasons. In Louisiana, we find this blue Lily symbol that is on Quebec's flag.

Still, the absence of earlobes is called by physicians 'Cagot ear'.

You people who have lobeless ears have cagot traces in your genes, but it is recessive. Maybe you have some psychic powers too. Do you sometimes have ESP? poltergeists? or any other Psi phenomena in your family? alien interactions? a vague feeling of an invisible 'presence'? It is linked to blood's composition and not to possession. Exorcists are bs, this is just troublesome dead people attracted to certain people who share this special blood composition. This is what I discovered through research.

I also searched a lot on Cagots. In French, there are MANY sources. In  English you won't find anything satisfying.