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some believe that Moses, carrier of the lunar cult to lunare god Yahwe, was, before the Exile, the Egyptian priest Akhenaton, carrier of the sun cult. The former (lunar-Yaweh) one is for nomads and the latter (sun, ON) one is for sedentary agriculturists. They are both monotheistic religions with a son of the only God. We can also recognize the hermetic egyptian element in the book of Genesis: there is often a separation of a subtle matter from a something more gross matter. (Emerald tablet: 7a. Separate thou ye earth from ye fire, ye subtle from the gross sweetly wth great indoustry. 8. It ascends from ye earth to ye heaven & again it desends to ye earth and receives ye force of things superior & inferior.)

But this theory Moses=Akhenaton is contested, but it sure explains a few things.

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yup druid. you seem to be on the ball with all that. I think M.Tsarion's research hinges on Moses=Ahkenaton. He also has referenced a few other researcher's recent work in his presentations.

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I am listening to Tsarion right now. I'm at 12 minutes approx.

I have some ideas about the Bible:
1- The whole was written by initiates.
2- old testament is some sort of self-given Imaginations (picture memory) of the Jews of THIS PERTICULAR TIME.
(by the way, the whole nationalist idea of 'the freedom of the peoples', coined by Woodrow Wilson and Zionists, is just a come back of Old Testament thinking. It is today a mischief element, because it is retarded, outdated.
3- in the old testament, genesis has sumerian roots. Its writers have marked their international journey Egypt (hermeticism, mercury), desert (yahve nomad lunar god), Chaldea-Babylonian (book of Genesis, the nine or seven spiritual hierarchies, the number 7 system, venusian) and sun solar monotheism. Thus Judaism synthesizes the whole microcosm of Moon, Mercury, Venus and Sun. We also can sense the Mars influence in the Adam made of red earth (iron and red bloodf=ego incarnates in the blood) and the Serpent influence.
4-zionism is the thinker of WWIII. They are linked to occult brotherhoods who took control of freemasonry, jesuits (and so the jesuit-masonic Illuminati), and the real actors behind the destruction of the Templar Order, bolchevism, nazism, the anglo-american establishment (and the American-nuke-in-Meggido-WWIII) and its new cult of the Chosen American way of life. (Brits though for a while that they Pax britannica would last forever. But the Holy Roman Empire was to be incarnated in America and no more in Britannia. It is still a 'Holy' order (think of John Paul II helping Reagan to put down communism, it was related in the Times magazine). That is why Great Britain was so involved with Israel and that now USA has joined the imperialist messianic 'chosen people' party. Americans are now the chosen people. God is an American. (This is sarcasm, folks.)
5-Freemasonry has a great role in our future, it contains esoteric material that was corrupted and taken in a materialistic intellectual sense, but in itself, freemasonry is a gnosis for the time when male and female will have reunited and propagate spiritually by the throat (Buddhist-mars-Grail-chakra). The philosopher stone woulds be the transformation of carbon (cells) into diamond (diamond is carbon), it means the development of new organs of supersensible activity and perception. Grail means this new power of sel-reproduction, that comes from the purification (like the chaste chalice of the flower receiving like a grail the rays of the sun) of passions. This red blood, like the 7 red roses on the cross, represent the purified blood, passions being overcome. It relates to the pillars Jakim and Boas: they are the tree of life and tree of death, the blue blood and the red blood, the blood filled with carbonic blood and the red blood filled with life-giving oxygen. When man becomes like plants and keeps the carbon in himself instead of exhaling it (plants inhale carbonic dioxide and exhales oxygen, we do reverse), when he uses carbon (through respiration and meditation) to make up new supersensible organs (develop chakras and makes soft invisible diamond out of this carbon organ), he can become chaste as the plant, receiving the fertilising rays of the sun directly into his throat at by the Word (the word forgot since Hiram's death) he will propagated himself in his own image.  This is Steiner's theory of freemasonry.
6- Well,  digress... The Bible is filled with esoteric knowledge. It does not imply that it all was stalinized by censors who wanted to crush gnosticism, forcing esoteric gnosis to go underground in the hands of a few initiates.

It is funny how ironic history is: freemasonry, being gnostic, was always persecuted by the roman imperialist spirit of catholicism. But paradoxically, freemasonry has become as imperialistic as the roman spirit with its idea of a Pax Americanan and an freemasonic new world order. Also, catholicim has taken the whole confession idea from the same manicheans, another christian sect (universaly iplantd in Europe and Orient in the middle ages), they drastically persecuted.

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Behind catholicism is the Jesuit order, and Opus Dei and... Freemasons!

Steinre said that catholicism was a luciferian cult, bent on mother goddess and divine son cult (Isis-Osiris ; Ishtar-Marduk, Virgin Mary and Son of God, etc.). It is pure mitraism: look at the fish cap of popes and high episcopus.
But old luciferic initiation in itself should be regarded with respect. But today it is a retarded impulse, a hindrance tpo pure spiritual striving. It keeps people in a mechanical fantasy void religious life without any insight in the spiritual. Even in Jesus' time, He was that mithraic cults were demonically infested! (This is acording to Steiner).
More about the links between the Jesuit order and freemasonry, there are many anthroposophic investigations available from Terry Boardman, overlordsofchaos.com, Robert Mason, Sergei O. Prokofieff, Adriana Koulias ('Manicheism, catharism and freemasonry') and naturally Rudolf Steiner.

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sinaptix wrote:

Regarding Jews. What are Jews? Is it a genetic lineage? cultural heritage? religious belief? What makes somebody a jew? I think it is defined via the religious practice. But I see also some people believe in an unbroken genetic/bloodline heritage that identifies them as a Jewish people.

Judaism is a religion, but because the people of the Jewish faith only bred within the people of the Jewish religion, Jew can for the most part define a race of people. 

Trying to reiterate and clarify my point from above.  I see that there is much light in the Jewish peoples from the likes of Einstien, Jimmy Kimmel, and well I guess I don't know that many.  There is also much darkness caste on the Jewish peoples due to the way their people as a whole are being portrayed by the peoples of the world.  This is mainly personified by people like Wolfowitz, and Ariel Sharon.  If they are not careful Zionism will once agian be put in to take the blame for the worlds problems in place of the Greed and Capitalism that that is emulating from America and sucking the world dry of all that is pure. 

I don't think America is the worlds only problem, but America is walking up to its neighbors punching them in the back of the head and then pointing at someone else saying, "He did it, it's not our fault"  We are inciting things I guess I am saying, and Israel and the Jews, it looks like might take the fall for it.  It was American weapons that leveled Beruit, but Israel soaked up most of the world hate for putting the American plan into action.

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