Topic: Talkin' about : politicians and the MCS

After all the reading I've done about the Illuminati, the Matrix, and the power players of both/any and all political parties parts in this, I've come to an uncomfortable place.
More than ever before, I "question reality", including this part of it.

There are some things that are said to have been done, including assassinations of scientists, Manchurian "candidates", and pedophilia, to name but a few, that are deeply disturbing.

Yet when I see one of these people in media, or even in person, I don't want to think so terribly about them. I want to believe their words, their claims of reform and enlightenment, just as I tend to want to believe the best about everyone.

I realize this is often "wishful thinking". A naturally kind, affable person gets burned two ways: first, they learn that in general, it is not a kind world, so they have been wrong in assuming others to be like they wish them to be. In other words, the "human nature" lesson. Then they swing to the other direction, where they assume everyone is "on the take" and get burned for that and accused of being "negative."


The third choice is there, but what I'm saying is than when I look in someone's face, I just want to believe that the terrible things said about them are wrong. I want to believe that if this were true (that they are not the monsters they are painted as), that others would stop slandering them.

I realize there's a third choice in how I view this, and for the most part I follow it. But occasionally I wonder if it's all wrong, all of it, good or bad, is bull. I don't enjoy the game for the games sake. Anyone else feel this way?

2 (edited by seeker 2004-08-03 23:06:07)

Re: Talkin' about : politicians and the MCS

Hey Sedna. You wrote:

Sedna wrote:

Yet when I see one of these people in media, or even in person, I don't want to think so terribly about them. I want to believe their words, their claims of reform and enlightenment, just as I tend to want to believe the best about everyone.

This is wishful thinking only insofar as it's human nature -- as least for the majority of people -- to want harmony and for everyone to 'get along.' There are actually some people on this planet that don't want harmony. 4D STS candidates? Perhaps. Other people let their desire for drama and excitement override their desire for harmony, so while they may want harmony in the end, they will incite arguments and conflicts for the rush of feelings involved. Humans love drama.

But anyway, here's what I noticed from my own viewpoint while discovering the corruption of politicians and other people. This is all related to the multiple "I"s that we have. We have all these different personalities that we use in different contexts and situations. What happened to me is, there was one part of me that was into discovering the matrix/conspiracy aspect of the world, and another part of me that was raised and indoctrined with the thought that politicians are really only doing what they think is best and that there is no conspiracy. It's inevitable at some point to have 'worlds collide' and two "I"s come into conflict. You get a wierd feeling then. You don't know what part of yourself to believe and act out. This is what causes your internal conflict that you described. I had the same feelings as you for many months, but eventually they faded. For many months after that I was super-cynical of all politicians and authority, and then that too faded. Only recently have I found a strange place of calm and balance. I recognize the game now, and laugh at it. I can laugh because I know what's going on, that everyone is acting according to their own motives and toward their own ends.

You have to see the game as a game, because that's all it is. You don't have to be involved in the game though. Walk off the playing field and watch from the sidelines. Don't get involved. That's not to say you can't voice your opinion on politics and social issues. Just don't get involved emotionally, because you'll just waste your energy. When you watch things from the sidelines, you can see the whole picture objectively. You can see the manipulation and corruption of all the 'players.' When you're involved in the game, you won't see this. You'll be too busy fruitlessly expending energy.

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Yes, that's very wise. That's what I hope to do as I synthesize this information. It could also be a loosh harvest for the MCS to get involved emotionally. That's what I think it's ultimately geared for: an effecient harvest of our energies. It must work pretty well, because otherwise there'd be Shakespeare and Euripides plays in the cafes instead of this sordid substitute- so- called- reality.

What you describe is very close to what I have experienced. It sure is a far cry from how I  once viewed the world before I started following that rabbit down holes.

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I just found an article on Icke's site about Kerry and Brainwashing written by Henry Makow. A good overview the psycho-political situation. I had read about the psycho-political warfare at a religious site which warns that this particular religion is being infiltrated by agents of this war. When it comes to this, I cannot stand back. There are alot of links here I have discovered, stories from my own church, that seem to give off grave alarms. Yes, this is what we are up against and it's why the Matrix movies did so well.

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SednaSphere wrote:

  Yet when I see one of these people in media, or even in person, I don't want to think so terribly about them. I want to believe their words, their claims of reform and enlightenment, just as I tend to want to believe the best about everyone.

I realize this is often "wishful thinking". A naturally kind, affable person gets burned two ways: first, they learn that in general, it is not a kind world, so they have been wrong in assuming others to be like they wish them to be. In other words, the "human nature" lesson. Then they swing to the other direction, where they assume everyone is "on the take" and get burned for that and accused of being "negative."


The third choice is there, but what I'm saying is than when I look in someone's face, I just want to believe that the terrible things said about them are wrong. I want to believe that if this were true (that they are not the monsters they are painted as), that others would stop slandering them.


Hi Sedna,

I read this and could really relate.   For me, it was reading on Rense last week that someone has seen a snuff video that John Kerry participated in years ago.

Despite reading all the conspiracy material that I'd read over the past 3 years, that one just left me reeling, going "WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?"     I knew Kerry was Skull and Bones, and we all know what that means, but still..........a SNUFF video?!?!    I'd read "Trance-Formation of America", so I was aware of what these guys supposedly do behind the scenes with their mind controlled sex slaves and all that.......but John Kerry seems......well.........NICE.   Like he wouldn't be that way.  So it really affected me, and I went around in circles wondering if it was really true.   My reaction surprised me.  I figured by this point I would be jaded, and able to just accept that all politicians and all people that work for / on behalf of the MCS are all corrupt, no matter what their words may say or what their smiling faces try to convey.    Guess I still have a little bit o' innocence left in me after all.  wink   But I do know what you mean.   And despite all that I've read in the conspiracy sector, I STILL find myself wanting to believe people, like you described;  and after everything I know about sociopaths, OP's, STS candidates, etc., I still get riled up when I encounter people like that, going, "WHAT IS THEIR PROBLEM!!!!!!!   WHY ARE THEY LIKE THIS?!?!    AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

It boils down to coming to terms with the fact that we really and truly are surrounded by these people............and then not letting it affect who you are.   Which can be hard, I know, but it has to be done.   For the sake of being smart we have to be aware and on our toes;   for the sake of keeping up our frequencies, we have to make sure we don't descend into negativity and disgust and permanent cynicism.   

This pre-election time period is quite a pill for those of us who are aware and don't buy into what's being fed to the public.   I started out with a "grrrrrrr!" mentality every time I encountered propaganda lies about any of the candidates, going through my whole mental rant about how the elections are tampered with, the candidates are pre-chosen and then offered up to us under the guise that we have a "choice",  they're all liars and rapists and pedophiles and drug addicts but yet the public is clueless and just sees the smiles and coifed hair and nice suit.............   


SednaSphere wrote:

Yet when I see one of these people in media, or even in person, I don't want to think so terribly about them.

...........Then I just got to the point where I realized it is what it is, and so now I just roll my eyes about it.   Now I just think, "Glad *I* don't fall for this b.s.  Whew."

We don't have to think terribly about them............we can just know that things are not what they tell us.   It's hard, but I think it's do-able.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Yes, I heard that about Kerry too. I saw him in person once briefly, and he seemed wooden or sort of "not there" to me. In the same area (near the Boston townhouse) I went to a party where a date took me, and these people all wore black and a woman there questioned me for not doing drugs, berated me in front of my date, etc. She had fang-like teeth, wore all black, and lived in a luxe cave-like brownstone with a floor removed to make the ceilings taller. The same day Kerry went into the store, she and her
also pale boyfriend (shades of Anne Rice here) were in there, too. I guess cold, tall, pale people are happenin' there.

At any rate, there are other times in my life when I've bumped into the Heinz family and other people in elite circles, so I know how to act. As a Libra I'm especially good at that sort of thing. Of course if I'm directly attacked like by vampire lady there, I leave if possible.

I read stuff on Icke by Cathy O'Brien, the stuff Aaron mentioned about the dangerous game, and before I knew about all this I found a short story book with the original "dangerous game" story, here at the mansion. In some ways I won't explain here, my whole life story has been interwoven with some of the most prominent "players" in this dangerous game, though for a long time I did not realize it. I have been watched, and they have tried to "recruit" me through the use of extremely handsome Lotus driving men, but none of it worked. I'm one of their "lost causes."

Hearing these terrible things, I'm glad I am one.

I also found a video tape of a kid's camp advertisement with occult symbols on the cover, and a very weird vibe. I may still have it. I'll try to find it.

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Speaking of Teresa Heinz Kerry........................................Did you read the article / commentary concerning her speech from the Dem. National Convention, and her strange behavior??   I read about it on Rense.    What got my attention in the article were the insinuations - whether intentional or not - that she was acting like a robot and that some of her actions seemed as if they were pre-programmed into her.   VERY interesting!     So it seems that both of them are a little "strange" and "wooden" and even robotic.   I always called the Bushes robotoids, now maybe we'll have to toss the Kerry's into that category as well.   wink

Anyway, the commentary article was worth a read, so I'll go and find it and come back and post it here in a second.  Be right back..........................

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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I'll look at the Rense article meanwhile.

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Okay, here it is:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles … le_id=3707

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All about Teresa
July 28th, 2004


Teresa Heinz Kerry made it through her unprecedented speech at the Democratic National Convention without losing control of her famous temper, losing her place in the well-rehearsed speech, or otherwise providing dramatic entertainment.   But she was just plain weird.

Leave aside the weirdness of having the wife of a candidate give a major speech two days before he accepts the nomination.   We’ll return to that subject shortly. She is a strange person, and the mysterious and off-putting nature of her eccentricity was heightened by her performance before the mildly cheering crowd at the Fleet center.

She began by leaning out from behind the backdrop, seeming to peek at the audience as the cameras focused on her entrance. Slightly bent over, she walked out with her hand over her heart, then patting her heart, as if to reassure herself that her big moment was actually happening, and that she would be just fine. Blowing kisses to the applauding audience, she embraced her son Christopher, stepson to the presumptive Presidential nominee, who had declared his love for her in his introduction of her.

She was dressed in a near-ketchup red suit. The crowd waved ketchup red placards with “We love TERESA!“? printed in big white letters.  What is the message in this choice of colors?  That her fortune is based on a tomato-derived sauce? That she is hoping to relate better to red state voters?  That she is nostalgic for communism?

Acknowledging the applause, and maybe the signs, her first words were, “Thank-you. Thank-you. I love you, too.“?    Nothing about how honored she is to be addressing the convention and the nation.   Just an acknowledgement of the assumed love for HER.  Though the crowd had already stopped cheering and applauding, she gestured with her hands to quiet them, as if her body were programmed in advance to do so. The hands lingered a few moments too long, hanging there in front of her while the audience was silent.

“Thank-you Christopher. Your father would be proud of you and your brothers.“?

Now this is getting downright creepy.   Long before any mention of her current husband, she invokes the memory of her dead Republican first husband, Senator John Heinz, whose family fortune she now spends on behalf of a Democrat, and in support of extreme left wing causes through the Tides Foundation. Would Senator Heinz be proud that his son spoke before a Democratic convention, solely because his stepfather was the presumptive nominee?

To demonstrate the fact that she really does speak five languages, she hailed Spanish- and Latin-Americans in Spanish, Franco-Americans in French, Italian-Americans in Italian, and Portuguese- and Brazilian-Americans in Portuguese. A few words in each language, specifically using the hyphenated form in mentioning each group in its own native language.  Because she was not speaking English, perhaps the hyphen overkill didn’t trouble as many people as it should have. Such linguistic showboating bothers me when people order their meal in French, sometimes to a waiter who doesn't have any idea what they want to eat.

She then returned to her oddly slow, slightly off-rhythm English, adding to the list of groups she was addressing immigrants in general (so Chinese, Vietnamese, and other immigrant speakers of the really hard languages not derived from Latin roots would not be offended, I suppose).

She also specifically addressed a group she called “continental Africans.“? A very puzzling term.

Maybe she meant immigrants from Africa? Like herself? She was born on the continent of Africa, after all. Or maybe she meant African-Americans, the black kind. Since she has already claimed, with evident justice, to be “African-American,“? I guess she needs to have an elegant way of saying “blacks,“? and realizes that the Spanish and Portuguese-derived term “Negroes“? just won’t do these days. If this surmise is incorrect, then I am going to have to examine the possibility that some meaningful distinction unknown to me exists between Africans from the continent, and those born on islands like Madagascar.

She finally did thank the crowd, and promised to tell us about her husband, the living one,  But then, out of the blue, hands pressed together in front of her, she declared, “This is such a powerful moment for me.“?

A slight audible brief buzz rose from the crowd. It was, after all, a stunning statement.  Even this friendly crowd seemed shocked at the self-centeredness of the remark.  She revealed to the world in that moment that the Presidential campaign, as far as she is concerned, is her toy, a fashion accessory, something for a woman who already has five houses, a Gulfstream V jet, and obsequious servants, business managers, and a Senator-husband dependent on her checkbook for the lifestyle he enjoys so much.

She is clearly a woman who enjoys telling others her opinion. She makes her pronouncements with a slightly grand air, as if giving a gift to lesser mortals.  She went on to mainly talk about herself, her father, her marches against apartheid  while a student in South Africa, and her right to speak her mind and be
“opinionated“? (hands making quotation marks in the air).   It all seemed rather defensive, as if she needed to prove herself virtuous, and entitled to have a major voice in matters of public concern.    Maybe growing up in a racist Portuguese colony as a member of the tiny white colonial elite has left her with a bit of guilt. Incidentally, she only referred to the land of her birth as a “dictatorship,“? glossing over her family’s participation in a harsh colonial system oppressing black Africans. Because her father only was able to vote once, at the age of 73, she even posed as a family of victims of "dictatorship."

Eventually she did get around to mentioning that John F. Kerry served in Vietnam. She made the strange claim that he earned his medals “the old fashioned way,“? as if Purple Hearts had been handed out for scratches requiring nothing more than a band-aid in the two World Wars. She also veered off into environmentalism, a plea to listen to the “wisdom of women,“? and outright mysticism -- “the mystic chords of our national memory.“? Lincoln? I guess he had a long face, too.

But it was really all about her. This is clearly a woman who thinks and feels that she is the one paying the bills, so she gets to call the shots. I can imagine that Sen. Kerry has had to put up with a lot of this, but has made his peace with it, considering the financial benefits.

None of the details of her marriage would be of the slightest interest to me or anyone else, if it weren’t for the fact that her husband could well be the next President. A man bought and paid for, with a willful, short-tempered, somewhat angry and defensive, egotistical spouse, one who is used to getting hr own way whenever she demands it.

But I, for one, no matter how tedious and icky it felt listening to her, am grateful that she has taken her place on the national stage. We deserve to know more about her, considering how important her role is in her husband’s life. She is, in fact, his primary source of his livelihood. Just as we would demand to know about a candidate's job, we deserve to know about Teresa, who pays far more lavishly than any other job Kerry could hold.

Don’t forget that without the loan he took out on the Beacon Hill mansion bought with HER money, his Presidential campaign would have collapsed in late 2003. It was that money alone which kept him going, until Howard Dean imploded in the early primaries. It was precisely this ability to keep campaigning when others had to quit over lack of financing which caused the Democrats to finally turn to him as candidate. You can be certain that Teresa never lets her husband forget that.

When John Kerry was between ultra-rich wives, he had a very difficult time supporting his chosen lifestyle on a Senator's income. His friend Susan Estrich put it bluntly, “John Kerry didn’t have a bed to sleep in…“? during his interim of bachelorhood. In fact, for many months he stayed as a guest in the homes of various friends, the first homeless Senator in history.

The low six figure income earned by a Senator does not cover bespoke shirts and suits, much less private jets, and he knows this all too well. On his own, there was barely enough money for a chick magnet convertible, and no money at all for charitable giving.

Now that Teresa is so public in her “powerful moment,“? it is time to release her income tax records. Given the pronouncements she and her husband like to make about raising taxes on “the rich“? (in the sense of six figure incomes), we deserve to know how much she and the Senator pay as their “fair share.“?

Conventional wisdom holds that nobody votes for a First Lady, that candidates’ wives may be interesting, but are unimportant in voting. I am not so sure this time around. John Kerry’s choices for spouse share one thing in common: vast wealth. That kind of money affects the behavior of those around it, the same way that black holes bend the waves of light and gravity. The candidate himself has been living in this bizarre environment of marriage to great wealth for decades. The strange, somewhat disturbing woman, who bears all the marks of the one in charge, may well be even more influential than Hillary Rodham Clinton, given an opportunity to live in the White House.

Speaking of Hillary, the cameras caught only a couple of glimpses of her in cutaway crowd shots. She did not look pleased. In fact, it looked as though her eyes were shooting death rays at Teresa. She may declare her loyalty to the ticket, but I would wager a substantial sum that behind the scenes, she will do everything she can to defeat the billionairess who could displace her as the most important woman in the Democratic Party. Hillary has always chafed at the humble economic status into which she was born. To have a rival endowed with endless, unearned wealth may be more than she can handle

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Re: Talkin' about : politicians and the MCS

Sedna, I would be very interested in details of your experiences with the "elite". And I would love to see that video cover if you find it.
I compare a public persona to the visible aspect of an iceberg: the tip poking out of the waters. You only see what's on the surface; the main reality is hidden from view. And that's the part that can be dangerous. Politicians, TV newsreaders, religious leaders, etc. have one ability in common: the talent to get you to believe their words. They tap into the public's reluctance to doubt their leadership. "I love my country. It must love me back." Intuition and instinct are ignored in favor of a security blanket.
I use a simple rule when discerning the truth: Cynicism leads to Clarity. Doubt Everything. Truth will survive doubt. Lies will not. If it's on TV, it's a Lie. If it's in the newspaper, it's probably a Lie. If a politician says it, it's the devil's own Lie. And don't take my word for it! See for Yourself.
It's our world. And It's no Game.

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I love it! Yes, I'll try to find that video today. Hope it hasn't been packed yet.