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STS=psychopath
STO=altruist

Pretense verses authentic; generally the image looks more real than the authentic, until you get beneath the thin veneer. The difference is in the empathy; you can fake it, but you can't resonate it. It's in the passion, and one can't have a fake  display of superficial emotions without spiritual consequences. The LIE deadens the spirit and the creative flow; including the ability to visualize.



"Protect your spirit with your life"
~~carefulcarpenter


"A false life is as thin as a seahorse on a Martian Mare"
~~carefulcarpenter


"The visionaries of society haven't the vision of a blind musician nor the perception of a churchmouse_"
~~carefulcarpenter

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


1+1=1

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Insider wrote:

Statement Insider:

I am a member of an Elite Family who you despise...ask me a question

9/24/2005

and I will answer them in short.

Why?
Because I can.

I find it to be the opposite; I pity the elite, for they are trapped in their importance and enslaved by their legacy.

Legacy is a tether that binds one to the past, restricts the imagination, and places concern on the future. This is not freedom. And their real and repressed fears must be a huge burden.



"Fear is a tether that enslaves the body, conscripts the soul, and compulsively  lashes the mind to capitulation"
~~carefulcarpenter

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


1+1=1

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feedbaxlow

I appreciate that you agree, but to anyone who doesn't see things the similar to the way I do, I'm just another jackass mouthing off. Maybe "hippie, new age shit" as slade put it in another thread.

To say that what I am saying is wise, means that an opposing view could be perceived as  "unwise" and I'd rather not invalidate another's experience like that.

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Thanks to all for new posts, insights, info. We have a great flow here.

Feedbax, I see your point. But believe me, this has nothing to do with 3D perceptions or even thoughts. This was rather a "bad taste in mouth" from the beginning as Pictus states. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my life as Feritciva and my point is not permanently complaining "why is this world so full of hate, pain, anger, where is God, why do the children have to die etc etc". Yes, these are things hard to observe - but nothing may be as it seems, at least I've learned that.

This "wrongness" is something I always feel inside. First with the organised religions and now with the widely accepted "we're here to learn our lessons" thoughts. Still I can not put the source and the direction of this "wrongness feeling" into words as I would like.

... And CEdicon talked for me smile. Yes, I'm just talking about that CE;

..in my case I "knew" I wanted to study film, but the awfully ineffective administration and faculty have proven time and time again that they have no idea what is best for their students. So while I might study film here and there, I also study arts, literature, history and whatever else is on the menu knowing that while they have no direct relation to the process of producing a film, I can still learn extremely valuable lessons and absorb information for my critical pleasure.

I may be a bit naive to believe that - but I believe universe in it's natural flow is not awful or ineffective. It does not cause me to have chemistry lesson if I want to learn phytotherapy. This by itself shows there's something wrong with the so-called education system! ..Or do we have some beings/entities that will gain some "profit" if I enter to chemistry lessons?

You know what people, we have to change the dean! big_smile

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

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feritciva wrote:

You know what people, we have to change the dean! big_smile

lol, agreed! smile

Q: (L) Whatchu know about that?
A: We know all about that.

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This is the first time I have ever heard of "The Insider." The bit about the dangers of the afterlife and cannabalistic spirits recall Kyle Griffith's 1988 book, "War In Heaven." According to WIH, a channelled book thru "The Invisible College," talks about these bands of "Theocrats" that seach for newly-departed souls from Earth to feed on. Here's an except, don't forget - use your discernment:


"Theocrats as a class have ruled both the Earth and its astral plane throughout most of human history. This includes most of the medieval Popes and other religious leaders notorious for being cynical and power-hungry. It also includes many famous occult leaders, from Cagliostro down to Aleister Crowley.

The Theocrats' method of absorbing energy from other spirits affects their growth patterns, causing their astral soul to go out of balance, and eventually driving them into irrational, insane, and self-destructive behavior.

Theocrats acquire bands of enslaved spirits, containing from a couple of dozen to several thousand, with the average in the low hundreds.

The daily activities of a Fundamentalist Theocratic band organized as Heaven are similar to a church service on Earth, except that they go on perpetually. The Theocrat in charge poses as the Lord God Jehovah, and subordinate Theocrats pose as Christ, various Angels and Apostles, and so forth. God quotes the same Biblical passages and preaches the same sermons as preachers in the corresponding sect do on Earth, and the congregation joins in singing the same hymns.

Dead Fundamentalists in Heaven still have to confess their sins and receive divine forgiveness. Christians in Heaven are kept in a perpetual state of religious ecstasy which activates their psychic powers under the control of their God. This collective energy is then channeled to perform necessary functions.

Most of the activities have to do with the survival of the band and especially its dictator, recruiting new members from among the recently deceased, stealing souls from other bands, fighting to keep the Invisible College from liberating members of the band, etc.

There is "Holy Communion", but as practiced in Heaven, there is nothing more unholy. All members of a Theocratic band are offered the Host, who is a rebellious or degenerating member.

Each Theocratic band works with a corresponding group of living people, whether religious, occult, political, or of other common interests: popular music, sports, or centered on other media. Theocrats can be found hanging around almost any place where crowds gather. (Remember that the astral plane is not a "place". It is right here, but of a different density.)

Theocrats communicating telepathically to individual Christians when they pray may call themselves God or Christ or the Holy Spirit... what ever they believers expect. They also may claim to be angels or saints or devils as appropriate.

Some people who deliberately become Satanists on Earth hold positions of power in "Hell" after they die. The lower classes of Hell are composed of Christians who believed the basic mythology but had too little self-confidence to believe themselves "saved." Who goes to Heaven or Hell is mostly determined by which particular band of Theocrats gets to them as they're in the process of dying.

The Moslem, Hindu, and Buddhist mythologies are also Theocratic institutions designed to imprison souls of believers in their own forms of Heaven or Hell.

With the decline in fanatical belief in organized religion, Theocrats have devised ways to persuade atheists and agnostics to join bands organized as any type of community of spirits, such as previously-deceased relatives or friends, or some famous person they greatly admire, rock stars, politicians, movie stars, writers and scientists, even fictional characters.

"Point-of-death" experiences in which the person's silver cord is not actually broken represent a major mistake by the Theocrats because they reveal information about the afterlife that the Theocrats would like to conceal. Sometimes, members of the Invisible College show up during the encounter to warn the person that the Theocrats are imposters who enslave and destroy souls. Although most will not remember the experience consciously, many are affected by it enough to become hostile to the Theocratic aspects of religion.

Theocratic religious sects often forbid deliberate mediumistic contact with the spirit world precisely because of this need to protect knowledge of the true nature of the afterlife.

Every single one of the ideas at the core of traditional deistic doctrine is a lie:

    * Only God (under whatever name) is good; people are basically evil and are incapable of improving themselves morally by their own efforts.
    * Only God is naturally immortal, but people can gain immortality through proper service to the Deity.
    * Human beings can receive forgiveness for their sins, and divine strength to prop up their various weaknesses, by 'Letting God into their hearts'... that is, by creating a powerful psychic bond between themselves and the deity.

The important thing to realize about this whole body of lies is that it makes people weaker and more evil than they already are, and increases their dependency on the Theocrats."

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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Oh, here's another excerpt. The "Invisible College" is answering:



"Q. Please summarize what you want me to tell people that will increase their chances for survival.

A. Everyone who understands and accepts the basic information in this book should make a conscious effort to develop his or her psychic powers during life. It's a basic survival skill that every human being needs to know, and the rudiments of it are not that hard to learn. The majority of occult and New Age groups are capable of teaching a person enough basic psychic skills to attract the attention of friendly spirits on the astral plane after death. If such a group isn't available, people can learn such skills by working with almost anyone who already possesses them, just using trial and error. However, we want to make it clear that the process requires real effort, applied regularly over several years.

We also have another word of caution for people who have accepted the information in WAR IN HEAVEN as true, but are not serious occultists with highly developed psychic powers. They should read accounts of point-of-death experiences and learn to recognize the common tricks that the Theocrats use to enslave the unwary after death.

Q. Yes. I've read all those stories about the dying person being met by spirits who claim to be deceased relatives or friends, deities or messengers of deities, there to welcome him or her to the afterlife. I suspect that many people who believe the breakthrough information while living may suddenly forget it when confronted after death with the "shade of their beloved mother, come to welcome them to heaven." In other words, "Seeing is believing." A direct emotional confrontation of this type might have more weight than any rational, intellectual knowledge received during life, especially to a soul who has just undergone the trauma of dying.

A. That is an accurate and vivid description. We still lose people that way every day, in spite of our best efforts.

Q. What can people do to avoid such deceptions?

A. The only sure defense is to achieve a certain degree of psychic development. The Theocrats are able to practice such tricks only if the psychic senses of the deceased person are being activated from outside by the Theocrats' telepathic transmissions. If the person's soul is actively perceiving the astral environment with its own telepathic and clairvoyant powers, it can usually perceive the true nature of the spirits forming the "greeting party." This is difficult to put into English, so let's just say they "look phony" or "have bad vibes." The closest we can come to an actual description is that some of the psychic control mechanisms that the Theocrats use to enslave other spirits on the astral plane become perceptible to anyone who psychically "reads" them actively, instead of being communicated with while remaining passive.

Q. This is one of the elements of the breakthrough information that will frighten certain readers, especially when they realize that many of their deceased relatives and friends may be slaves in Theocratic bands right now. Suppose such a person does meet his or her dead mother or some other loved ­ one on the astral plane?

A. The important rule is: KEEP YOUR DISTANCE. DON'T LET ANY OTHER SPIRIT “TOUCH" YOU AS LONG AS YOU REMAIN ON THE ASTRAL PLANE. Free Spirits rare1y communicate telepathically. [This may refer to encounters shortly after death.] They don't approach other spirits closely, even when they assist them in reincarnating, but instead "talk them through" the process. Remember: "TALK, BUT DON'T “TOUCH."

Q. I've never seen this written down before, but it becomes obvious when pointed out. You explained earlier that the Theocrats enslave weaker souls by literally attaching themselves to them, allowing energies to flow directly as they do within human nerve tissue; but I didn't realize the full significance of this until right now.

A. Yes, it's information that can literally "save your soul." Unfortunately, it's as difficult to communicate warnings like this to Earth people as it is for parents to warn their children about child molesters. It's not hard to tell them, "Don't get into cars with strangers or accept presents from anyone you don't know," but much harder to deal with the fact that a large number of molestation cases involve close friends or family members. All we can do is repeat that it is a universal custom among non-Theocratic spirits to always keep their distance from one another. It's sad that we have to do this, but the Theocrats give us no choice.

The most important thing about this is that it requires psychic skill, not just intellectual knowledge. The more conscious control that people develop over their psychic senses and powers during this life, the better chance they have of surviving on the astral plane after death long enough to reincarnate. Disembodied spirits see by clairvoyance, communicate by telepathy, and move by telekinesis. If you don't have conscious control over these psychic powers, you may be blind, dumb, and paralyzed after death. If you're lucky, you'll discover after you reach the astral plane that your soul contains residual memories from a previous life that give you access to these powers; but it's best not to bet the life of your mortal soul on it. Learning psychic skills is a lot of work, but we strongly recommend it to everyone who makes the breakthrough.

Possessing intellectual knowledge about the nature of spiritual reality is not as essential to survival after death as having basic psychic skills; but we still recommend that you learn as much about the subject as possible, from this book and all other available sources. The more you study the facts about Theocracy, the Invisible War, and spiritual cosmology, the higher the probability that you will remember some of this information when you need it most.

The time of greatest danger on the astral plane is immediately after death, when the astral soul is still traumatized by the shock of separating from the somatic soul. Theocratic propaganda has created the myth that some deaths are "easy" and "natural," and that only sudden or violent deaths are traumatic. In reality, the snapping of the silver cord is as big a shock to the astral soul as the loss of a leg is to the body. It's true that some deaths are more traumatic than others, but none are ever "easy."

On the other hand, the worst thing people can do when they die is to refuse to admit they are dead. There's a universal myth that people can prevent death if their will to live is strong enough, so they fight the process with all their strength and courage. Our advice to people who feel they might be dying is to remain as calm as they can, concentrating all their attention on remaining conscious and alert, not on fighting to remain alive. You'll lose nothing by doing this, because in most cases there is absolutely nothing you can do by an act of conscious will to stop the physical process of death if you are indeed dying. However, vigorously fighting against the death process significantly increases the post-death trauma. to the soul, rendering it more vulnerable during the first few crucial hours on the astral plane. Q. In a number of point-of-death experience accounts, the dying person refused to touch or embrace the spirits he or she encountered, usually because of some vague feeling that it "just wasn't right" to do so. However, in other accounts, there is close contact but it has a negative effect: a painful energy exchange, often compared to an electric shock, occurs, and the person on the point of death has the sense of "returning to the body." In still other cases, the greeting spirits themselves refuse close contact and say, "Go back, your time has not yet come." How do you explain all this to make it evidence to support the concepts you're describing?

A. The important thing to remember when reading an account of a point-of-death experience is that the person relating it was never actually dead in the first place. Definitions of physical death are imprecise, but not the definition of death as perceived by spirits: detachment of the silver cord from the somatic soul. Once this happens, death is irreversible; the astral soul cannot reattach itself.

The people who have point-of-death experiences are simply close to the point where the astral soul detaches from the somatic soul, close enough to attract the attention of other spirits who get ready to receive them into the astral plane. The same physical trauma that brings the person close to death also produces a state of consciousness in which the physical mind is extremely passive and the astral mind is awake and active, allowing easy psychic communication with spirits. We should point out that only "old souls," those at a high stage of spiritual development, have such experiences.

This is why such people sometimes recoil from contact with the spirits: their psychic perception is keen enough to spot that something is wrong. However, even if this doesn't happen, close contact with the other spirits still cannot result in Theocratic enslavement. The soul of the dying person remains attached to the body and continues to receive energy from it through the silver cord. It is this energy that produces the electric shock effect if contact does occur. Of course, most Theocrats are knowledgeable enough to refuse such contact themselves, to avoid the shock. However, Theocrats vary in knowledge, so both kinds of point-of-death experience occur."

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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kid mongo wrote:

This is the first time I have ever heard of "The Insider." The bit about the dangers of the afterlife and cannabalistic spirits recall Kyle Griffith's 1988 book, "War In Heaven."

I'd forgotten all about this!! I came across a website about this book earlier this year (or perhaps last year). I was going to create a thread about it here but I don't think I ever got around to it.

Anyway you've reminded me that the author of that book is now moderating a forum which can be found at

http://zeitlin.net/OSForumsII/viewforum.php?f=8

A summary of the book War in Heaven can be found at http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/WarInHeaven.html

I've just this minute found out that the complete book is available at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revolutionizing_reality/
(you need to join the group)

Anyway, it's interesting for sure.

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kid, that would be my first time reading any material from WIH or Invisible College. Very cool, thanks.

I'm digging this thread. I come back to it a lot to read all the insightful comments - so just to add some more Insider exerpts to the pile, I'm going to post my favorite one... for shits and giggles.

Q by forum owner:

Insider,
Rather than give them a sword (or a toothpick), I give them a canvas and a pen.
The words as you say have vibration and effect.
And though yes many that are written here are contrary to the ONE, some ring true.
It is those few, that matter most.
I was recently asked by a friend of mine,
"what do you do when you have mastered the game?"
This seems like a question that would apply to one in your situation as well.
My answer was, "save as many as you can".
I am curious to know, What is yours?


A:
If it has an immediate effect it is not a canvas and a pen anymore but a sword...an imaginary one but nonetheless a
sword.
And it is not working the way you think it does.

You say most are contrary to the One and that is true, in fact almost all is contrary.
But you say because of the few that ring "true" it is worth it.
You cannot have 2 contrary essences at the same time/place eventhough they may have the same spring.
Which means one of the 2 is not present here....do I have to tell you which one that is?

About mastering the game.
How does one know they have mastered it?
Does someone else tell them?
See, if the "master" is not really a master yet he acts like one it will mean he will make errors.
He will have flawed thoughts and act accordingly.
People will start listening to him and adopt the flawed opinions and way of living.....eventually he will do more
harm than 1 bloodline actually has the power to do personally.
Hence why "leaders" have been created for you who "have mastered their game".
Jesus of Nazareth is a nice example.
He was created, this human has many worshippers and they have murdered in his name and still do (Bush).
Jesus of Nazareth was not a master of the game, he was a puppet being used in the game and he still is serving the
agenda among you.
So you might think you are saving as many as you can like him but are you really?

How would I answer the question "what do you do when you have mastered the game?"

Checkmate

Q: (L) Whatchu know about that?
A: We know all about that.

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Hey Kid Mongo - I went to meditate this afternoon and fell asleep!. I woke up with a dream where this woman was in the garage with a load of cute puppies. I sensed something wasn't right and I tried to shout 'Reveal your true identity' but no words were coming from my mouth. However, all the puppies changed to giant rats. (It seems my intent was sufficient). I then intended, with booming authority 'Get out of my sight' and a huge energy wave blasted them quite literally out of sight,!  As I woke up at that point, I went back into meditation and asked why I lost my voice, and I got that I need to work on my chakras to make them stronger.
Whatever the feeling I get I should use that emotion to direct the energy through the appropriate chakra centre. 

Then Ive just read your post above and it totally resonated with my dream. It looks like my astral training has begun! Yes! Yes! Yes!...

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Whenever I think about the Insiders Comments - It reminds me of the following Industrial song by Diary of Dreams  called Butterfly - Dance.

http://sstave.com/music/DoD-BD.mp3 (8mb)

This song seems to talk about the seeking of God in ones life, I love this song. I have a lot to say on this whole subject in general - and I really enjoy this thread, hopefully Ill have time to respond soon.

"It's hard to advance freedom in a country that has been strangled by tyranny." - G.W. Bush 04/13/2004

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Blue wrote:

Hey Kid Mongo - I went to meditate this afternoon and fell asleep!. I woke up with a dream where this woman was in the garage with a load of cute puppies. I sensed something wasn't right and I tried to shout 'Reveal your true identity' but no words were coming from my mouth. However, all the puppies changed to giant rats. (It seems my intent was sufficient). I then intended, with booming authority 'Get out of my sight' and a huge energy wave blasted them quite literally out of sight,!  As I woke up at that point, I went back into meditation and asked why I lost my voice, and I got that I need to work on my chakras to make them stronger.
Whatever the feeling I get I should use that emotion to direct the energy through the appropriate chakra centre. 

Then Ive just read your post above and it totally resonated with my dream. It looks like my astral training has begun! Yes! Yes! Yes!...

Wow, that's wild. It appears that us Humans wield an inconcievable power once we get to "know" ourselves. I guess I better get cracking on my own astral training!

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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If you all don't mind....I wanted to interject about the Insider's statement "Are you really living on the planet  you think you are?"   We had been discussing earlier in the thread how the statement was most likely not meant in a literal, "Dark City" sort of way, but now I'm back to wondering whether it actually WAS meant in a literal sort of way.   !  I pendulum dowsed some questions last night pertaining to that specific statement, as well as some general questions about the nature of this world/reality, and got some VERY interesting responses.   I can't believe I never thought to ask about this topic before, but then again, I was more concerned about getting answers regarding abductions and such.  Then for the longest time I couldn't seem to "connect" when I was pendulum dowsing (clouded mind, distracted, as well as being physically unhealthy) But last night I had very clear and consistent results, and felt "plugged in."  So I was wondering if anybody here had ever pendulum dowsed this specific idea, or gotten insight into it from other sources, or in other ways?   And if so, would you mind sharing the results?   Or is anybody willing to try to pendulum dowse/intuit/divine this and see what they come up with?

The funny thing is, when it comes to the "woo  woo" stuff, I'm not willing to put too much stock into the results I get from the pendulum.  And yet it works 100% of the time for feedback with regards to work and my temping situation.  If it tells me to pass up a particular job, no matter how "good" it seems to be, because something better is out there, I'll do what it says...and it's always right.    But with the "woowoo" I'm still mindful of possible interference from questionable sources, depsite my intentions at the beginning of a dowsing session.  Who knows.   So any feedback welcome!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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We would need to define the word 'living' to speculate since we are probably multi dimensionsal beings living in different places at the same time while part of us is experiencing a life, in 3D, on planet Earth.

If we were not on planet Earth the atronomers would be the first to know because the heavens would be different.

I thought that question of his was a bit pretentious.

120 (edited by lyra 2006-08-29 05:43:22)

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google wrote:

We would need to define the word 'living' to speculate since we are probably multi dimensionsal beings living in different places at the same time while part of us is experiencing a life, in 3D, on planet Earth.

If we were not on planet Earth the atronomers would be the first to know because the heavens would be different.

I thought that question of his was a bit pretentious.

Well, this wasn't supposed to be a semantics nitpicking thing.  wink  You don't want to over complicate things by sidetracking onto how each word within a sentence could have different meanings, so first we must clarify all the various secondary meanings before we can even get started on the Bigger Picture point......X.     I tend to think the point of his sentence wasn't about the secondary meanings of "living" but rather, exactly what he said:  Are we really living on the planet we think we are?  The point being the planet, not living.  So, was just curious to hear if anybody had ever dowsed/intuited/divined this idea for themselves, or come across any sort of anything that corraborates this idea in any way.

And as far as the heavens being different.....you're thinking too narrowly.  A holographic projection would clear that up.  Unfortunately, most people aren't even aware of such things, or how convincing they can appear.     

And the reason I mention this is because this subject came up last night in the NR chat room.  Several of us were discussing various woo-woo stories involving what seems to be holographic technology in the sky.   Seems people out there in the world have stories about celestial bodies doing things they're not supposed to be doing.   And one of the big explanations is holographic technology.  But the problem is, when you start questioning one thing like that, it all falls apart, because if the sky can - and apparently is - being faked (either at times, or all the time, still not sure what the deal is) then what does that say about the rest of our reality?  It's a Pandora's Box.  Truly.  !   So, that is why I asked, and that's where this whole idea came from.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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