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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

Google and titmouse
I don't think it works in that typical linear way.
It is unlikely that there is someone literally telling all these people what to do. first of all the structure necessary to control all these leaders would be huge, dangerous, messy and ridiculously busy and as a result; very vulnerable.
That would never work, by your own admission/question google, it's obvious there will always be a spoiler to rock the boat. Divine Law works in much subtler, surer ways.
JFK was taken out by the CIA/as a PTB backlash, pure and simple. Yes, we lost our tenuous claim to a democracy from that point on, but as with Hitler it is meant to have a different result that it seems on the surface. A balance is always kept, you cannot just have good things happen, just like you can't have sunshine 24 hours a day. So it's the choice of who goes down and how, it's nothing personal; it just has to be. Hitler served his duty it wasn't pretty, but somebody had to do it.
For (a gross) example all this manipulation you see now, will have it's backlash in the antichrist right? down goes the Cabal, up comes complete unadulterated mayhem and madness and after that, up comes the Christ, and balance is restored...the stage is set....the wave rolls in....perfect timing! but you can't see that yet, so you howl its' all so unjust

There is no conspiracy amongst all these disparate people.
it so happens that divine law can arrange for things to flow in a certain way perhaps...a nudge here a new friend there, an assistant from here an agent from there...It all adds up to a general effect, a general outline... all balancing out in the end to something that only needs fine tuning now and again, anticipated for hundreds of years! All these people are not passing on that control consciously...for example Mandela and Dalai Lama are not puppets, never were, they are more like rulers themselves.
I think the point is that everyone on the world stage plays a part that is part of the grand scheme...by cumulative karma/genetics/rebirth. You should be so lucky as to be a player yourself ...but you play with the hand you are dealt and  so do they, it starts and ends on a certain trajectory that is more or less preordained in some respects...but it is a role that was created to allow you and i certain choices.
An experiment to see what we would do  perhaps. Try to see the big picture not the grievances of one people or another but the whole flow together...this is one small story on one small planet, during a small patch of time. We couldn't possibly comprehend the vastness of the whole universal picture but use your imagination for a few minutes...

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"Space is big, Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space. The simple truth is that interstellar distances will not fit into the human imagination." Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy...

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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

ok adding my two cents to the discussion.

IMO, this Insider has the potential to be genuine.  Or at least at this time in my learning path it resonates.
Yes he/she is cynical and "cold" but the way I see it, higher dimensional awareness lacks the emotional states that we usually experience in 3D awareness. The emotions we experience as a result of the illusion of seperation just don't exist, as the lines of seperation between entities and environment becomes blurred at higher levels. Usually this awareness leads to a great deal of compassion (sympathy?) towards those who are less aware. But if you are at the receiving end of all of the vitriol over world events, a degree of cynicism is expected, especially if addressing those who THINK they know whats going on, when in reality they have only different bits of truth mixed with different disinformation (refering to the conspiracy crowds that it appears Insider was addressing.) Would a compassionate approach have worked for the crowd that was being addressed at that time, or would a cynical approach be more palatable to the jaded attitudes that seem to be common for conspiracy theorists?

Regarding the "bloodline": It seems that Insider denies the existence of a seperate reptilian race (though this may be inaccurately reading between the lines on my part).  Personally, I think that any reptilian race that may have been here has left, and any human reptilian hybrids have been so spread throughout the population that either the entire population contains reptilian race DNA, or the percentage is so low as to be negligable.

The feeling that I get is that the bloodline is a family line that has the tricks for establishing a connection with the collective consciousness/Universal Mind/pick a label. Having established this degree of awareness/connectedness with the Divine, they are avatars of a sort for the Divine on this planet, playing their parts just like the rest of us, sordid as it is.  Sordid because it seems to me that many of the various goings-on in the world seem to be designed as catalysts to get people to look  to the self, as Insider suggested. Sordid because humans are stubborn creatures, and seem to need the most difficult of lessons before "getting it" and moving on to the next series of learning.

Incidently, druid I believe, mentioned "they (the dragons)" as ruling this planet/realm. Who specifically do you mean, and why would you think such a thing?

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Celephais, Thank you for  thoughtful well balanced contribution! smile

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GibbleTronic wrote:

I'm reminded of a scene out of "Jacob's Ladder" where he is in the operating room with all the doctors (and his girlfriend) working on him, and when he wants out of it, one of the doctors asks him where he would like to go... He doesn't know, so his nightmare continues...

haha it was "Then why are you _here_?" Great analogy!!

"I'm not dead. [Then what _are_ you?] I'm _ALIVE_ [Then what are you doing _here_?] I don't know"

And the chiropractors wise words of advice:

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Eckhart saw hell, too.  You know what he said? He said the only thing that burns in hell is the part of you that won't let go of your life-- your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So the way he sees it... if you're frightened of dying
and you're holding on... you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels freeing you from the earth. It's just a matter of how you look at it, that's all.

I am as is Void.

96 Reply by feritciva (edited by feritciva 2006-08-24 23:27:26)

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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

[Ferit running wildly from behind and already short of breath...]

Puffff.... You NR's always do this. Everytime I miss a thread it has magnificent info in it. So I have to run hard to catch up with you guys!

OK, just one thing I feel I have to say. This is not intended to answer anyone or any post, just my thoughts;

I do NOT agree that "we are already free, we create our reality, we do what we want, what keeps us from having our highest potential, just create & play" type thoughts. And I see although they may be very valuable, these thoughts can take ME nowhere.

Now I will make a live experiment on myself here;

"I have the eternity going to my left, my right, up, down & even INSIDE. This eternity has limitless power. This eternal power is in my hands..... I can create what I want.... Ok..... Very good.... Uhm.... Eeee.... Why is that weather so hot?"


This was a thing that Don Juan once told to Carlos in one of his books. "You have eternal universe to your left & to your right. What did it change in you? What did it change in your daily life?"

I think we're FALLEN. This place may BE a place that we're supposed to be but NOT this way. As many of you wrote I love being here when I swim in a crystal clear shore, watch sunset, climb a big mountain and look down to valley. But something IS definitely wrong here. For my point of view saying "I'm here to experience & learn new lessons via physical plane" is null. Void. Ridiculous. In the university I KNEW I wanted to study natural health and therefore I've chosen to take pharmacology, botany, phytotherapy etc. It was not like suddenly I found myself in analytical chemistry lesson without knowing why I'm there & say "ehh, well... if I'm here then it means I want to learn chemistry. Let's do it".. NO. It's NOT like that. Again chemistry is a valuable science but it has NOTHÄ°NG to do with natural health.

That's why Insider's words made me think a lot. He's arrogant, cold - but has significant points. "Know thyself" is a very important principle. When you know "thyself" you begin to realize strongly that there is something wrong here.

Finally again I strongly feel that if I can come to a point to say "All is good", I would not be around to use these words & this mind...

Change we must, to live again
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Free_Your_Mind wrote:

"Space is big, Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindbogglingly big it is.

Yea, and you know, infinity lasts a really long time, ESPECIALLY towards the end.

I am as is Void.
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Feritciva,
I enjoyed your very clearly written post. One thing...i would very much like to hear you get more specific. Don't get me wrong i am not disagreeing w you.
Life is rarely in perfect balance for anyone for long.

But you started out quite well, admitting which concepts and feelings seemed erroneous to you and why, but where are you going with this?
What is wrong- where?
How do you perceive this wrongness? Can your perception can be relied on?
Could it be perception itself which is "wrong" somehow and purely subjective which obscures clarity  and identifying exactly where it goes wrong, hence your vagueness here?
Try to follow it back as directly, experientially as possible...
If you have tried to discover already without success...
perhaps you can try this (just a guess) sit very still and get quiet with breathing awareness... follow the thought care-fully back to "it's lair" to as close to the source or beginning of distortion for you as possible... where it originally comes from and why.

I'd very much like to hear more from you...  smile

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feritciva wrote:

I think we're FALLEN. This place may BE a place that we're supposed to be but NOT this way. As many of you wrote I love being here when I swim in a crystal clear shore, watch sunset, climb a big mountain and look down to valley. But something IS definitely wrong here.

I was born with that taste in my “mouth" ...
The prime goal is well understood, we are here to evolve...
I connect the dots, but the picture it creates still not fit yet.
Too much questions, too much disinfo, too much unfitness on the stage.
The good part is that NR gave a BIG upgrade on all that, lots of good
points to complete the picture.
Thank you guys!

Bye, Pictus

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I feel the same Pictus, NR has helped my personal quest a great deal, if not bringing me to the final threshold; so that I can cross over on my own accord and continue the journey.

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The last tale told by Socrates before his execution (as retold by Plato in Phaedo) talks about our world in context of the true reality beyond:

Socrates wrote:

Also I believe that the earth is very vast, and that we who dwell in the region extending from the river Phasis to the Pillars of Heracles inhabit a small portion only about the sea, like ants or frogs about a marsh, and that there are other inhabitants of many other like places; for everywhere on the face of the earth there are hollows of various forms and sizes, into which the water and the mist and the lower air collect. But the true earth is pure and situated in the pure heaven--there are the stars also; and it is the heaven which is commonly spoken of by us as the ether, and of which our own earth is the sediment gathering in the hollows beneath. But we who live in these hollows are deceived into the notion that we are dwelling above on the surface of the earth; which is just as if a creature who was at the bottom of the sea were to fancy that he was on the surface of the water, and that the sea was the heaven through which he saw the sun and the other stars, he having never come to the surface by reason of his feebleness and sluggishness, and having never lifted up his head and seen, nor ever heard from one who had seen, how much purer and fairer the world above is than his own. And such is exactly our case: for we are dwelling in a hollow of the earth, and fancy that we are on the surface; and the air we call the heaven, in which we imagine that the stars move. But the fact is, that owing to our feebleness and sluggishness we are prevented from reaching the surface of the air: for if any man could arrive at the exterior limit, or take the wings of a bird and come to the top, then like a fish who puts his head out of the water and sees this world, he would see a world beyond; and, if the nature of man could sustain the sight, he would acknowledge that this other world was the place of the true heaven and the true light and the true earth. For our earth, and the stones, and the entire region which surrounds us, are spoilt and corroded, as in the sea all things are corroded by the brine, neither is there any noble or perfect growth, but caverns only, and sand, and an endless slough of mud: and even the shore is not to be compared to the fairer sights of this world.

In the first place, the earth, when looked at from above, is in appearance streaked like one of those balls which have leather coverings in twelve pieces, and is decked with various colours, of which the colours used by painters on earth are in a manner samples. But there the whole earth is made up of them, and they are brighter far and clearer than ours; there is a purple of wonderful lustre, also the radiance of gold, and the white which is in the earth is whiter than any chalk or snow. Of these and other colours the earth is made up, and they are more in number and fairer than the eye of man has ever seen; the very hollows (of which I was speaking) filled with air and water have a colour of their own, and are seen like light gleaming amid the diversity of the other colours, so that the whole presents a single and continuous appearance of variety in unity. And in this fair region everything that grows--trees, and flowers, and fruits--are in a like degree fairer than any here; and there are hills, having stones in them in a like degree smoother, and more transparent, and fairer in colour than our highly-valued emeralds and sardonyxes and jaspers, and other gems, which are but minute fragments of them: for there all the stones are like our precious stones, and fairer still (compare Republic). The reason is, that they are pure, and not, like our precious stones, infected or corroded by the corrupt briny elements which coagulate among us, and which breed foulness and disease both in earth and stones, as well as in animals and plants. They are the jewels of the upper earth, which also shines with gold and silver and the like, and they are set in the light of day and are large and abundant and in all places, making the earth a sight to gladden the beholder's eye. And there are animals and men, some in a middle region, others dwelling about the air as we dwell about the sea; others in islands which the air flows round, near the continent: and in a word, the air is used by them as the water and the sea are by us, and the ether is to them what the air is to us. Moreover, the temperament of their seasons is such that they have no disease, and live much longer than we do, and have sight and hearing and smell, and all the other senses, in far greater perfection, in the same proportion that air is purer than water or the ether than air. Also they have temples and sacred places in which the gods really dwell, and they hear their voices and receive their answers, and are conscious of them and hold converse with them, and they see the sun, moon, and stars as they truly are, and their other blessedness is of a piece with this.

The rest can be read here. You may notice that Socrates is talking about fourth/fifth density and the hyperdimensional nature of our greater reality, but reduced by one dimension. Instead of timelines or soul migratory paths he speaks in terms of underground rivers. Instead of realms isolated from other realms but suspended within the greater holographic reality matrix, he talks about caves and cavities in earth but isolated from each other.

More importantly, he says that our reality here - third density - is a corroded and corrupted realm that cannot compare to the perfect and noble nature of the higher density. No matter how enjoyable and beautiful earth is with its beaches and mountains, it is beautiful relative to the rest of the world only, and if you have a memory or feeling for the truer reality (the way things were, will be again, but are not now) then there is something relatively wrong and missing. I am reminded of humanitarian aid workers who get dropped off in a third world slum on a mission of service where conditions are far worse than where they came from.

Celephais wrote:

IMO, this Insider has the potential to be genuine.  Or at least at this time in my learning path it resonates.
Yes he/she is cynical and "cold" but the way I see it, higher dimensional awareness lacks the emotional states that we usually experience in 3D awareness.

The Insider's attitude is similar to those who work in underground alien/military bases or are part of the STS elite of this world. They have higher knowledge for sure but out of deep-seated egotism treat the rest of the world with blase contempt. Compared to STO initiates of similar or greater knowledge they are blockheaded ice cubes. There is always something missing, imbalanced, or dangerously erroneous about the various STS ways of looking at the world. It includes all the truth you need to accept the lie, and even then the lie is a half-truth that cannot be rejected entirely without discarding the truth along with it.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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feritciva wrote:

For my point of view saying "I'm here to experience & learn new lessons via physical plane" is null. Void. Ridiculous.

In the university I KNEW I wanted to study natural health and therefore I've chosen to take pharmacology, botany, phytotherapy etc. It was not like suddenly I found myself in analytical chemistry lesson without knowing why I'm there & say "ehh, well... if I'm here then it means I want to learn chemistry. Let's do it".. NO. It's NOT like that. Again chemistry is a valuable science but it has NOTHÄ°NG to do with natural health.

That's why Insider's words made me think a lot. He's arrogant, cold - but has significant points. "Know thyself" is a very important principle. When you know "thyself" you begin to realize strongly that there is something wrong here.

Finally again I strongly feel that if I can come to a point to say "All is good", I would not be around to use these words & this mind...

Ferit, that's a good point at the end. I appreciate that statement because in the event that all is well I won't need to tell myself all is well, I will feel it!

However, up at the top of the quote, do you really believe that learning lessons in 3rd density physicality is all that rediculous? I mean, I agree that this physicality is brutal and heavy, etc, but I do believe that the value of this reality is all in lessons learned.

Without the knowledge I gain with every lessoned learned, I would be doomed to repeat those exercises for all eternity!

Your university analogy is also weak, because in my case I "knew" I wanted to study film, but the awfully ineffective administration and faculty have proven time and time again that they have no idea what is best for their students. So while I might study film here and there, I also study arts, literature, history and whatever else is on the menu knowing that while they have no direct relation to the process of producing a film, I can still learn extremely valuable lessons and absorb information for my critical pleasure.

On top of that, life in general is never so cut and dry, and I am faced with new learning opporunities all the time. Sometimes I do not pay attention to these lessons and I may believe them to be futile and insignificant at the time... yet I am always doomed to repeat them. I have no hope for skipping around them in my vain attempts to get to the "real matter", so it is my understanding that the basis for my existence is... lessons!

I also like your avatar, ferit.... tigers are cool!

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montalk,

The Insider's attitude is similar to those who work in underground alien/military bases or are part of the STS elite of this world. They have higher knowledge for sure but out of deep-seated egotism treat the rest of the world with blase contempt.

Exactly my point as to why Insider may be genuine.  I'm not trying to say that the "ruling bloodline" isn't STS. I think observation of 3D Earth, and even similar claims in the C's material makes claiming otherwise foolish.  But as I recall from the C's (its been a few years since I've read that material so my memory may be innaccurate) the STS methods inadvertantly provides the service of causing people to wake up to alternative possibilities. That there may be something better than STS methods (STO).  Would those of us here have woken up to these possibilities to the extent that we have if it hadn't been for getting shit on by the STS way?  Would we have recognized the value of STO? Behind the veil of 3D existence STO seems foolish initially. It is only after experiencing a life under STS reign that we begin to see the flaws of that path. Even as it stands I would say that few of us are ACTUALLY STO, as according to the C's material, but with the shrinking world created by the various telecommunications media we have developed an enlightened self-interest of helping our brothers to help ourselves (STO-potential to be an actual STO transition upon "arrival of the Wave").  However I am reluctant to wait for some "possible" future event to come fix the problem of an STS dominated Earth, and would rather cultivate enlightened self interest that may "in time" develop into genuine STO behavior.

It includes all the truth you need to accept the lie, and even then the lie is a half-truth that cannot be rejected entirely without discarding the truth along with it.

Because it is the truth.  Its the same truth being observed through the eyes of an STS aligned entity. For the STO-aligned, this STS interpretation is a perversion of the truth at worst, or a tragic misunderstanding at best. To the STS-aligned the STO interpretation of this truth is a weakness to be exploited.  All in all it is a dynamic interplay of events and energies that keeps All That is from becoming a stagnant static mess.

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Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

Yet once again i have to say: Celephais speaks the words of wisdom.

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I find Insider's message to be "Work on your spirituality but stay out of politics and ignore what researchers are telling us.".



I'm still curious how a motley crue can be ruled without the ruler being motley himself.

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