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Both Dan Brown and Da Vinci have been mentioned on the forum this past week and Lo! and Behold, this pops up on rense.com today:                                                                                  http://rense.com/general54/davin.htm                                                                                                      I started thinking about the recent mason-related synchronicities and how they might be connected to DR_Hiram's recent intrusion here and the promotion of the Da Vinci book. I'm wondering if masonic temples are sending out "missionaries" to forums on the 'net to bring attention to both the book and masonry. They might be sent out into the general population to interface as much as possible to spread awareness of their "masonic truth". It would account for all the mason sightings lately. The Da Vinci book looks like a more accessible, mainstream version of previous writings like Holy Blood, Holy Grail. The recent masonic phenomena may be just a publicity stunt to promote the book. If anyone (except Men Wearing Aprons, please) has knowledge of the book (which I haven't seen or read), perhaps they might share it here.

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While your idea is certainly a possibility, I don't really think so.  Da Vinci Code has been a best seller since it hit the bookstores - over a year ago.  I read it back in November.  It's a fast read,
great story and his prior book "Angels and Demons" is even better. 

"Angels and Demons" didn't get much play but after Da Vinci Code, it too became a best seller.

There are now antiDa Vinci Code books, pro Da Vinci Code books.  And largely because of this book, the Illuminati is now a "common" word.  Both Barnes and Borders still have big displays of his books.

It's a fiction murder mystery about a Louvre curator who is murdered.  Leonardo DaVinci plays a part in the novel.

Lots of Illuminati "stuff" and very anti-Catholic.  Which has the Catholic Church up in arms.  "Angels and Demons" even more so.  Lots of factoid stuff.  For example, I had no idea the Vatican housed an enormous highly coveted and private library that has the books preserved in air tight cases.  Others might know this, I had no idea.  So, Dan Brown's books were fascinating to me.

Angels & Demons is in paperback.  DaVinci Code not yet but any library would have it.  You'll have to wait in line though.

How's that for a promotional blurb?  And no, I'm not a Mason.  <g> Just fun reading -

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Christine B.

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AFB,

I've just read that article you mentioned on Rense.

Several things struck me as odd in the article.  Wrong, in fact.  While there is an interesting twist to the article and while it is certainly possible that Brown's book is an attempt to soften the public to the Illuminati - I don't doubt it at all because this book isn't great literature and it certainly a MAJOR hit - I was left from the article wondering what the author's real agenda is.

For example, the article says "While representing the Sun, he was also identified with the goddess whose symbol was the planet Venus, or Lucifer."

Huh?  is the planet Venus a symbol for Lucifer?  I've never heard this, but of course it could be my lack of knowledge.

Later he goes on to say something which casts apersions on Gnostic teachings, which I had thought were positive.

To me, the DaVinci Code is a good thing.  It's caused some people to actually wonder about the whole Jesus thing.  The possibility that there is a different story.  Anything which shakes the program is good, I think.

And this book rattled a few cages.  Although I'm sure about 50% of the factoids in the book are not true (although presented as true of course) - so just another discernment situation.  I was fascinated to learn about the Priory of Sion for example.  (I had heard of the protocols of Zion years ago.  The Priory of Sion is quite different ... sort of smile

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Christine B

4 Reply by aaronfirebrand (edited by aaronfirebrand 2004-07-31 10:25:40)

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Christine, I'm curious as to how a work of fiction can be presenting anything as true. I'd assume that any information in a novel was essentially fictitious, even though it might resemble fact. Not to say it was necessarily untrue, only that, well...it's a novel, not actual history. My point was that it's indeed curious to see all the current acclaim for a book that normally would have had a shorter shelf-life. Incidentally, I'm so removed from reading fiction, I was unaware that The Da Vinci Code was a novel. I automatically assumed, since I knew nothing of it, that it was connected in some way to the Bible Code books. Silly me. And yes, lucifer is commonly connected to the planet Venus ("morning star" or "evening star" depending on where it rises). Finally, it occurs to me that in a world that wants to be deceived, the best way to get your conditioning (here it's shock-history to ultimately support the Jesus lineage Theory) into the heads of people is to plant it in a popular page-turner. And then cause it to be "wildly successful". Nothing succeeds like something with a monstrous, machiavellian machine behind it.                  Added: I forgot to say that I thought Livingstone's article was alright. I'm no expert on this material, but nothing he wrote seemed out of accord with what I understand. He's certainly entitled to his views regarding Gnosticism. etc. I don't agree with his take on Jesus as simply a Jewish reformer. It's not that it's untrue, but a reduction. Unavoidable when you try to fit that much history into a single page.

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The Da Vinci Code pushes the same premise proposed by Sir Laurence Gardner, that many of the royal families today are descendants of Jesus. Personally, I think that is bullshit - they are unholy bloodlines posing as their opposite counterparts. The books pulled their trick by claiming the Merovingians were part of the bloodline. That's where the switch occurred.

Around 535AD, Europe experienced a major cometary disaster that really shook things up politically and genetically. Disasters are good staging grounds for the introduction of new bloodlines. The Merovingians originated around that time, and formed the primary ancestors of today's royal families. The Merovingian legend holds that their founder Clovis had a human mother and reptilian sea creature father. Go figure. Matrix Revolutions hinted at their true nature.

By chronicling the bloodline of Jesus up to the sixth century, and the dark bloodlines after that, then splicing the two together and claiming they are one and the same, these books would give the Illuminati and royal families a seemingly holy pedigree. That is great PR for their upcoming overt running of the NWO. For all we know, they may try to present Prince William as the new saviour.

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Thanks, Tom, for your concise view of "the Jesus kids" nonsense. Your insights are appreciated more with every post you make. So post more often, if time allows. Please.

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I post when I can, Aaron. The site's relatively finished so I'll have more time now.

Yeah, that the royal families try to claim Jesus lineage really irks me. But isn't that typical of heavily STS forces - corrupting under the cloak of holiness? The church persecuting millions in the name of God, politicians pillaging the country in the name of security, reptilians or NSA satellites posing as channelled space brothers of light? Always the same.

Well, the dark wouldn't be the dark if they operated in the light - unless they're strong enough to withstand it. As Lyra just wrote on the Manchurian Candidate thread, it seems they are getting to that point - when they think they have secured power through force, then no amount of protesting by people discovering the truth will matter to them. For example, they don't have to carefully twist public perception to elect their key puppets into public office when elections are suspended and martial law reigns. 

So, their degree of openness would be a measure of their confidence, and would also indicate where we are in their timetable for overt rule. The Da Vinci Code, Laurence Gardner books, National Treasure, etc...definitely signify a deliberate trend polishing the image of the Illuminati. That is not to bash the books or movies themselves for the way they are written and executed, but merely to point out the potential agenda behind the trend.

I guess knowing this possibility, you can then use these books to get better insight into the Illuminati agenda. Can anyone give more details regarding how the royal families and Illuminati are portrayed in these books?

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8 Reply by Giordano Bruno (edited by Giordano Bruno 2004-07-31 11:28:53)

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A lot of the history presented in the Da Vinci Code is actually true to the historical record. For instance all the things that transpired during the Nicean Council and DaVinci’s animosity towards the Catholic Church.  I don’t see how you can bash something or (praise) something you have never read. That’s what kills me about most Christians, they are quick to judge others and heap praise on the Bible when the majority of them have never even read it. By the way I am not directing this towards anyone, just the process that has become all to common.

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Giordano, I'm curious as to why you have brought Christians into this discussion, and in such a negative context. By "most Christians", I think you mean most Christians that you know or have experienced. I'm guessing you haven't heard from all of Christianity, correct? You seem to be bashing people you have never met by saying that the majority of Christendom have never read the Bible. Or by saying that they are "quick to judge and reap praise on the Bible". The description you give of most Christians would also fit a great number of people following any belief system. I perceive two separate, nearly opposite, versions of Christianity; the "officially licensed" lying, superficial Billy Graham/Pat Robertson/george bush Counterfeit, and the True Faith contended for unto Death. Speaking of that, the True Faithful will be persecuted and killed by the counterfeit church, which will think it is "doing God's service". According to the Bible. Which of course, I haven't read.

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Your right my comments were not fair to the thread and I didn't mean all Christians, just a lot of the ones I have meet.

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Re: The Da Vinci Code

AFB,
Thanks for clarifying the symbolism of Venus.  I had no idea.

As a work of fiction obviously there is a great deal of fiction.  Oh boy!!  But what makes this book so interesting is how well it is woven with facts.  As in ... there really is a Louvre, there really is a Mona Lisa, a Leonardo Da Vinci...etc., and of course this can lead on down a slippery slope to believing the other (non)facts are facts. 

AND, I'll bet you many readers of Da Vinci Code had NO idea that prior to Nicean Council the Church believed in reincarnation ... that it was mandated out of the religion. 

So ... with the dis/information is woven much in-formation. 

In any case, it's fiction.  My actual uncommunicated point in my first post on this thread, was that just because something appears on rense it cannot be taken as the 100% gospel.

To answer briefly Tom's question about how the illuminati are presented I only remember that Leonardo Da Vinci was claimed to have been a Mason ... as for the Royal family, I don't remember this in the book.  It's been awhile since I read it and it was fiction and read as such, basically. 

The Catholic Church is what I remember mostly as being presented as the "evil" one.

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Christine B.

12 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2004-07-31 14:35:03)

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Da Vinci Code- Spoiler Alert

The Da Vinci Code is a somewhat complex book.  It seems to be based on historical facts.

The two major factions are a group called Opus Dei that is linked with the Catholic Church and another group called the Priory of Sion.

Opus Dei is presented as the "bad guys" and the Priory of Sion is presented as the "good guys".  Both groups have secret aspects to them. 

The Priory of Sion is presented as having been operating for centuries with knowledge of the "true bloodline" of Christ.  They also may have access to "proof" that would show that Jesus had children and his bloodline remains to today. 

The C's address this issue.  They say that Jesus was the father to three children and there are around 340,000 descendents of Jesus alive today.  If there are many descendents or just a few, this could be seen as a large threat to Christian religions because the church and "official" sources of religion may not be the only source of legitimate information.  In the book Da Vinci Code, it is presented that there may only be three descendents alive today- a man and a woman who are brother and sister plus their mother.

The book focuses a lot of the suppression over time of this direct bloodline.  The bloodline had to remain hidden because there were opposing groups trying to wipe them out.  Now, this information can be twisted to serve Illuminati interests if they say that they have the true bloodline, and they are in control of the person they put forward as the heir.

I do not think that Dan Brown is forwarding Illuminati interests.  He strikes me as a truth seeker.  Of course, the information that he uncovers could be used in negative ways.  A key point that he makes is that there are secret factions related to the Catholic Church that have been systematically suppressing truth for many centuries.  These factions can be seen as part of the Illuminati, so the book can be seen as exposing Illuminati agendas and tactics.

Another major theme of the book is exposing the suppression of the feminine over time.  One aspect of this is the suppression of information related to the women in the life of Jesus and the fact that he was a father.

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wandering1, to offer something as fact ("Jesus...was a father") with only channeled or speculative material for proof is a little presumptuous, n'est pas?

14 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2004-07-31 14:52:09)

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Of course.

I am just presenting the information that was presented in the book Da Vinci Code as an area of discussion.  In the book, Jesus was a father. 

A channeled source, the C's, support that point of view.

I do not take it as proven at all that Jesus was actually a father.

15 Reply by Giordano Bruno (edited by Giordano Bruno 2004-07-31 15:01:59)

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Come on proof! What proof do we have that Jesus didn’t have kids, or that he was resurrected. In fact one could argue there isn't proof he ever really existed? I also recommend this site. http://www.medmalexperts.com/POCM/index_FLASH.html

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