• From: terra incognita
  • Registered: 2004-03-25

Topic: Vegetarianism

I was just talking to one of the apartment managers whose 13 year old daughter has made the move to eating vegetarian in the past two months. The daughter loves animals so much that she can no longer consume them. Through the course of our conversation I told the manager that I would ask on my forum group what would be the best book and websites for the 13 year old to become educated about food combining. Given her age it's obviously important for her to be getting all the nutrients required for her growing body.

So keeping in mind this is a 13 year old, do you NR vegetarians have any suggestions?

It's not that the mom isn't taking an interest in what's best for the youngun', she's keenly concerned about her daughter remaining healthy all the while respecting her  philosophical drive, but if this is going to be a complete lifestyle change for the daughter then it's certainly in her best interest to learn how to take care of her own dietary needs right from the get go.

Just to note--the daughter is already taking a general multi-vitamin.

Suggestions?

Thanks smile

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  • From: terra incognita
  • Registered: 2004-03-25

Re: Vegetarianism

Okay, I just did a google search and was checking out this web page--

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/teennutrition.htm

--wherein I found this statement--

It is not necessary to plan combinations of foods to obtain enough protein or amino acids (components of protein). A mixture of plant proteins eaten throughout the day will provide enough essential amino acids.

For those of you better educated about vegetarianism, is this statement true?...that planning food combinations, like combining brown rice and beans to take the place of a serving of meat at a meal, isn't necessarily important? I'm certainly no expert about eating vegetarian, but this is contradictory to info I've before read.

big_smile Looks like I'm in for an education myself! Yipee!

You see, though, this is why I ask you guys instead of just willy nilly referring mom and daughter to just google the web.

I fully trust youse guyses guidance wink !

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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  • From: istanbul
  • Registered: 2004-05-13

Re: Vegetarianism

A fine aminoacid supplement that contains all essential aminoacids. There are aminoacid supplements suitable for vegetarians.

I also would recommend spirulina (a kind of algae) as a aminoacid/vitamin/enzyme source around 1500 - 2000 mg. I use this supplement permanently.

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson
  • From: terra incognita
  • Registered: 2004-03-25

Re: Vegetarianism

*beholding and bowing in reverence to the old Turk with the F-factor*

lol lol lol

Snicker! Snort! I so wanted to make this comment on the other thread, but didn't feel it was appropriate, but it's perfectly fine here.

LMAO! Love your spirit, Ferit!

Oh yeah....thanks for your input, too!

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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  • From: England
  • Registered: 2005-04-20

Re: Vegetarianism

My 9 year old daughter is vegetarian too,  we just make sure she gets a good general diet including plenty of raw fresh food. She just has extra eggs, hemp seed oil,  nuts, seeds, spirulina and quorn for protein.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

6 Reply by limukala (edited by limukala 2006-08-04 21:25:49)

  • From: O'ahu
  • Registered: 2006-05-26

Re: Vegetarianism

You definitely need to plan combinations or at least have good variety to get all the essential amino acids.  For instance, vegetarians often consume legumes for the majority of their protein, but these are severely lacking in sulphur containing amino acids.  A good source for those is nixtamalized corn (corn that has been boiled in an alkaline solution for several hours) or I'm assuming eggs, since I know they have large amounts of sulphur (that smell).

Edit: Some of the best and most balanced plant sources of protein, by far, are grain amaranth and quinoa.  They are delicious too.

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7 Reply by Auendove (edited by Auendove 2006-08-05 07:07:05)

  • From: terra incognita
  • Registered: 2004-03-25

Re: Vegetarianism

With the references to spirulina here I want to ask y'all a question about a liquid chlorophyll product I have in my frig. I know it's probably a no-brainer answer to what may seem like a stupid question (because they are additives), but are these two--

Methylparaben
Propylparaben

--so "bad" for the body that I shouldn't be drinking this stuff? It would be a shame if so, because it's been an algae supplement I can stomach. After drinking this, like after I juice carrots, apple, and beets, I can feel my body...I don't know, it feels a bit energized and lighter.

I had been drinking it daily, but with there being these two additives in there I backed off. If it's not all that bad for me then I'd like to resume drinking it.

Here's a link for the product label--

http://www.naturessunshine.com/products … ckNum=1683

Thanks again, you guys!

EDIT--I had before, a few months ago, google about these two parabens, but remember reading conflicting info. I got frustrated and just stopped drinking it. They're supposed to be just anti-microbial/fungal additives, but still...who knows? I certainly don't, and that's why I'd like some opinions.

I mean, I guess my bottom line question is--if this is the product I can stomach, then does the good outweigh what may be not so ideal?

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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  • From: O'ahu
  • Registered: 2006-05-26

Re: Vegetarianism

If you want more chlorophyll, consider growing wheatgrass.  It's super easy to grow, and gives you a definite energy buzz (to the point of feeling a little light-headed if you drink a huge shot and are not used to it).

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  • From: istanbul
  • Registered: 2004-05-13

Re: Vegetarianism

[The Old Turk strikes back]

OK, have more time now!

It's very interesting to see young people choosing vegetarianism. It's also encouraging. Although I do not agree "vegetarians are enlightened" stuff, there's some facts about meat-eating. First of all when an animal is killed lots of adrenalin rushes to it's blood/muscle tissues and we eat animal's muscle mostly. So it's very possible we take some unwanted chemicals to our body. This is an explanation that my scientific rational left hemispehere likes. We can also look at this from energy side and see similar things.

Anyway although vegetarianism has its advantages, protein is essential especially for teens. Therefore I recommend a balanced aminoacid supplement suitable for vegetarians. One way may be pescetarianism. This is eating only fish & sea foods as protein sources. I practice this for nearly 7 years and still alive & kicking smile

Spirulina may also be a source - which I prefer - for aminocids. Chlorella is another algae supplement and a source of chlorophyll as the name indicates. I agree you Auendove, it doesn't feel good to see some chemical names on things you consume, but methyl/prophyl paraben are used as antibacterials in pharmaceutical industry.

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  • From: O'ahu
  • Registered: 2006-05-26

Re: Vegetarianism

feritciva wrote:

First of all when an animal is killed lots of adrenalin rushes to it's blood/muscle tissues and we eat animal's muscle mostly. So it's very possible we take some unwanted chemicals to our body.

Not if the animal doesn't know its going to be killed.  This is probably part of why Jewish kosher laws are strict on humane killing for the animals.  It means that if you're hunting, the better that first shot is, the better the meat will be.  If you are raising your own animals, it is possible and vastly preferable to calm the animals down before you kill them.  Do it well away from the other animals, and stroke or pet the animal until it relaxes, and talk to it too if that is your thing (then kill it quick).  It may be hard for some people to imagine, but it is standard practice in many traditional societies to only kill animals with great love, respect and gratitude.

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  • Registered: 2006-04-19

Re: Vegetarianism

Anyone who has tried a vegetarian diet, does the lack of meat have a distinct effect on your mental focus and lucidity? Are there some animals who have a more obvious negative effect on the human condition than others? For example, pork I hear lowers the frequency of people who eat it but I'm not sure why a pig would be considered worse than a cow and so forth.

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  • Registered: 2006-07-28

Re: Vegetarianism

I personally felt worse on a vegetarian diet - I was tired a lot and nothing I ate really satisfied my hunger. Regarding pork, I hadn't heard that it lowers frequency but I know it's not the best choice of meat because of risk of parasites.

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  • From: O'ahu
  • Registered: 2006-05-26

Re: Vegetarianism

I think one of the big reasons many traditions steer clear of pork is that they're energy is so similar to a humans, and pork is so similar to human flesh (and can make you angry and pig-headed sometimes).  Another big reason is that they eat trash and poop, and many people find that disgusting.  The same religions often ban crabs and lobsters for the same reason.

I like pig, but the best is wild pig, mmmm.

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  • From: Brazil
  • Registered: 2006-02-11

Re: Vegetarianism

limukala wrote:

Not if the animal doesn't know its going to be killed.  This is probably part of why Jewish kosher laws are strict on humane killing for the animals.  It means that if you're hunting, the better that first shot is, the better the meat will be.  If you are raising your own animals, it is possible and vastly preferable to calm the animals down before you kill them.  Do it well away from the other animals, and stroke or pet the animal until it relaxes, and talk to it too if that is your thing (then kill it quick).  It may be hard for some people to imagine, but it is standard practice in many traditional societies to only kill animals with great love, respect and gratitude.

That is the right way to do!

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  • Registered: 2006-04-27

Re: Vegetarianism

Hi. I don't eat any meat for almost two years now. I don't have any plan like 'eat X to replace Y', I just eat anything I feel like eating. I'm 18 now, so I was 16 when I stopped eating meat. I can tell you I'm healthy because last week I got this huge wound on my chin, and the doctor said it would take five days for the wound to close, but it's closed in one night. The doctor was all impressed asking me what did I do for it to heal so quick. So.. I presume I'm healthy and my advice is: if you feel like eating it, eat it.

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