Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

I agree that 'what Planet we are living on?' isn't the question, Maybe it would  have been better to say 'what Reality we are living in?'. It wouldn't matter to me if I found out that I was living on Planet X, Mars, Venus, or in some far flung galaxy. So what? what possible difference would that make to my life here and now?

On other web sites (in particular whatsuponplanetearth.com), there is talk of a convergence of the seperate realities. All we know is the reality we live in here and now, but, as we are multi dimensional beings and the whole point is to explore all avenues of creation, we could be leading dozens, if not hundreds of 'what if' realities, that at some stage branched away from the reality we now live in.*  ( I used to think the other dimensions of our personality were just in different times, and as different people, but that is 3d thinking, making all those realities acceptable to the 3d mind)

I know that in my neighbourhood, there are enormous changes going on to the local environment, with buildings (troublesome pubs, petrol stations, factories etc) being torn down on a breathtaking basis. It's like the whole landscape is changing.

Thats the basis that I look upon the Insiders quote, but it still leaves so many questions, such as 'is there a base operating system?' - eg does the planet have a common theme which is shared by all of these seperate realities?.

With the way things are changing so rapidly, is it possible to see the core of the program, one that exists despite all the different 'gosub' variations?.

And is that still 3d thinking? needing a fixed time and space to work with, when we should be expanding our conciousness to welcome less conventional views.?

I am open to suggestion, it would be nice to know if anyone has contemplated on this subject and recieved insights.

* Another aspect to consider - at what stage did these realities branch off ? - presumably at major turning points or traumatic periods in our lives. If we investigated these stages on our journey, and could come to terms with the events, in view of our more enlightened sense of being, would that be the catalyst to converge those two versions of (my/our) reality?

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Marcus wrote:

Sure we are fed dis-info, but why do some cling to it whilst others walk away?  More to the point...why do any of us cling to any of our thoughts?

Perhaps it is the manner in which we think about the world - rather than the content our thoughts have?  In fact I could almost go as far to say (that at the end of the day) the manner in which we think is totally our responsibility and has no, if little bearing on what we have recieved from the external world.

...

So not as much about what we think about our reality / world...but more about the way in which we think...

Lyra wrote:

- We have more power and abilities than "they" want us to realize;
- The "rules" of this reality, and what we believe is technologically possible or impossible is also not what we've been taught;
- The history of this planet and of life on Earth - including Mankind - is not what we've been taught. We're not who we've been told we are.  (See the work of Lloyd Pye for further information on this.)

Marcus and Lyra,

I agree with what both of you have come away with regarding the Insider information. I believe this information resonates with other channeled material, but most specifically the C's and P's. It seems as if Insider shares the same spiritual undertones - that is, focus on personal lessons, seek experience that leads to the sole understanding of how oneself behaves in accordance to this philosophy.

As you state, Marcus, not what we think but the manner in which we think is most important. In other words, the form dictates the content. This, I think, is a philosophy that is quickly gaining momentum as the control systems and the media outlets have been exposed in parts so that we may see them for what they really are - mind control, damage control, etc.

While the form does dictate the content, the golden goal for those seeking to end the mass-marketed mind control would be to deal with their personal dependency on the medium in which it is spread. Specifically, frequency control, I believe, is at the core of the system imposed to entice individuals in externalizing their personal fantasies and, in turn, creating weaker, dependent components of a machine who's output feeds the STS drive.

Lyra, you are definitely correct - in my view anyway - in that the very nature of all we know this external world to be has and will be manipulated by any means necessary in order to keep the top from tumbling all the way down into the pits. Now, if we perceive our world accordingly, using our own perspective to guage the difference for ourselves - and only for our each and individual self - I believe that the degree in which we intend to exercise the powers of our free will should be fit to meet whatever measure of control is utilized. Something similar to the effect of don't change the channel, turn it off! That's what I mean to say.

Q: (L) Whatchu know about that?
A: We know all about that.

78 (edited by z3n3rg 2006-08-21 15:04:33)

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This is just an exercise I remembered.  (I'm still going to use "you" even though it's really not directed at anyone.  None of my other posts were directed at anyone either.  Using "you" is just easier.)

Get to your meditation spot or just become fully aware where ever you are.  Stop all thought and post the thought guards.  Turn all awareness inwards (without thought) to put all focus on the feeling of self.  Not the physical feeling necessarily.  But that feeling of the sense of being.  The feeling of that point of consciousness that is the real divine spark.  This feeling should be overt when thought ceases.  Once you get the full no-thought no-time awareness focused at the point of consciousness of self just sit in the feeling for a minute and Be Yourself for a bit.  Then, without thought, bounce your focus back out 360° while ensuring that some focus remains on the feeling of beingness.  Take in the environment without thinking, without labelling, and in real-time.  Hold this like holding your breath.  Actually, holding your breath makes it easier to stop thoughts.  But anyway, after you hold for a bit then refocus your full no-thought no-time awareness back to the sense of beingness.

After this then hold the FACT (fact or not, hold it as fact; can always be dropped) in your working consciousness that you are a light body, an energy body, and a physical body.  Picture it.  Look at your body in the mirror and picture it as completely real.  Picture your three bodies inside one another.  Picture the glow of your light body interacting with your physical body to produce the energy body.  Which, if true, may be a good piece of the puzzle....

The Cs said that the interaction of the light body with the physical produces the energy.  So if we are to remember when we cross over then we simply need to bring our light body into the equation.  Live from it, through the physical and then the energy body will be taken care of, no worries.

When in doubt, ask...

"What would my divine spark do?"

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Z3n3rg
Probably holding your breath is just thnking you are not thinking...
breath is alot like thought... flowing, cyclic, noisey until attended to.
i can get with the exercize, but many would be disapointed that they could not attain to step no. 3 "no thought-no time", if people could do this or even get the feeling they actually "got there" for a moment, there would be a lot more peole meditating!
As an exersize you will only imagine you are not thinking which is another thought

Suggesting that its possible as an exercise could work against you because someone may try it and say "hey this doesn't work. i'm still thinking one thought after another"

"Taking in the environment without thinking, without labeling in real time", i like that! Its a good practice by itself, it is meditation if you could manage it, but also not so easy to do as to say. if we are honest.

how ever it is all possible... so why not do it? we sit and invest our time in a thousand other things but to do something so simple, usually doesn't occur or appeal to one until very near death, either yours or anothers.

However "as an exercize" you can go ahead and imagine you are not thinking, no harm in that ...why not? then also imagine your light body alligned with the phsical causing the energy body to arrise... also no harm in that...it's a good exercize!

but i would not want to "meet my maker" on the strength of imagination especially if you are convinced that there are "soul snatchers" and rebirth traps (even on the 5th level!?) all over the place in the transition state as several people seem to believe....since once in the light/energy body with no dense body to ground you, what ever you imagine to be true or real will manifest instantly!

Maybe after a week of sitting every day for 2o minutes or so doing this exercize they would be able to get that feeling but it takes a bit more to actually experience the state of "no thought-no time".
but HEY worth a try! I heartily recommend it!!!
The Buddha only sat overnight (according to legend) to attain perfect, unexcelled enlightenment! (after practicing austerities for countless lifetimes)

What you describe  in the exercise is pretty close to true "meditation" except there is no need to "visulaize" it with practice. The brain has a visualization process which we call "body imaging", and with practice the light body and energy body also appear without neccesarily analyzing it that way. you sense/see that is the case... all the "bodies" allign and you are "in tune", without making any effort.
In this state and in this state alone as the tibettan book of the dead says , "you will be neither attracted nor repelled by the hosts" of demons or guards of the realms because you will realize them as emanations of "the one" from which you come, and are composed of and so not separate from any of them. The master is passive because he/she is not afraid of meeting anything untoward, already been "met"

Now  if you are fully realized you could leave altogether and return to "the source" w/o rebirth and dissolve into the very essence of the universe (7th level), but most will still have the undeniable uncontrallable urge to continue in some form or other and join the light bodies in the 5th for whatever is next.
Are you prepared and ready to dissolve completely into the Great Nothing?
The Vast absolute of emptiness/space without differentiation, that this "matrix" as you call it, appears within ? oK then go for it!

80 (edited by proto 2006-08-22 12:09:08)

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Hey, haven't been posting on NR in a while, but this topic/thread resonated in me and felt I had to post something on how this "Insider" material affected me the past week. I don't mean to sidetrack the thread, but just wanted to share to you all how it affected me (I hope I don't sound narcisitic). Writing isn't my forte, I guess you can blame the NYC Board of Edumacation for that, but I am working on it.

Last week, I was doing my usual on the internet, checking out NR and seeing what was going on and just reading your thoughts/feelings on things. I then saw the Insider post, clicked and read. At first, after I read it, I realized alot of what the Insider said were true and have known that my whole life, but the way it was conveyed and answered was different. I interpreted his/her tone as arrogant and holier than thou.  I was utterly confused, SCARED, angry and sad, to say the least. I had a loss of faith in everything and question "what is this all about then?" So for literally 3 days, you can say I was in a spiritual crisis, lost all hope and people actually felt my vibes saying "hey dude, ur out of it" to my mom, saying in her cute eastern European accent "you so nervous, angels be vit you". I woke up scared, went to work just bugging out, didn't want to talk to anyone and before I went to sleep, I felt like crying, but I managed to fall asleep somehow. Then, this past saturday, I had this feeling and thought that meshed and it pretty much said "this is complete bull****". The Insider post wasn't, but the feelings/thoughts I've been going through were. Why was I so scared, lonely, angry and paranoid? I felt like a sheep, just letting something control me and I literally went ape sh*t and decided enough is enough. Enough of the thinking I was powerless and letting mundane things in life (crappy friends, dating, dealing with robots, etc)  have a grasp on me and forgetting the true nature of It. This thread woke me up literally to see vastness of what was inside of me, others and the Universe/God, whatever you want to call it. I just never realized how awesome, how enormous it all is. Now, I just feel calm yet alert as oppose to my old self constantly nervous, anxious, self-concious (the bad kind) and truth be known, alot more negative.

Lipstic Mystic,

Amazing posts, especially about the Universal Law. I did that last night before I went to sleep. I said "I invoke the Universal Laws to cancel and void any negative manipulative contracts in my life, my family, my friends and the people who truly need it". After I said that, it felt like I was being watched intensely and to be honest, I was a little scared but knew the Universe/God, as we New Yorkers say, got my back. Thanks.

Lyra,

I honestly enjoy your posts, with your humor and your no-nonsense attitude. Thank you for being yourself. big_smile

"We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves strong. The amount of work is the same."
– Carlos Castaneda

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Thanks for the feedback, feedbax!

I would first like to note that the 'thought guards' were my training wheels.  A tool, if you will, to make easier the act of deprogramming 19 years of Earth living.

I know intimately how difficult it was to be able to get to and hold a state of absolute no-thought consciousness.  Maybe it won't be as difficult for others.  I wouldn't want to add any unnecessary weight.

Once I actually achieved it, there was a very specific feeling.  I tentatively reasoned the feeling to be feeling the thinking/being of the subconscious (4d).  But such conclusions are always open to the next piece of evidence.

At this point, I'm able to enter the state at anytime without anything but my will.  I still don't hold it very long though.

feedbaxlow wrote:

but i would not want to "meet my maker" on the strength of imagination especially if you are convinced that there are "soul snatchers" and rebirth traps (even on the 5th level!?) all over the place in the transition state as several people seem to believe

If any entity, when I pass over, claims they can snatch up my soul; I may just die a second time from laughing so hard.

feedbaxlow wrote:

Are you prepared and ready to dissolve completely into the Great Nothing?
The Vast absolute of emptiness/space without differentiation, that this "matrix" as you call it, appears within ?

Ya know, I hate to quote 'em again but they said it best...

Cs wrote:

A: Absolutely don't let others distract you. You have suffered many attempts at distraction away from truth. Now follow some proclamations: Pause. All there is is lessons. This is one infinite school. There is no other reason for anything to exist. Even inanimate matter learns it is all an "Illusion." Each individual possesses all of creation within their minds. Now, contemplate for a moment. Each soul is all powerful and can create or destroy all existence if know how. You and us and all others are interconnected by our mutual possession of all there is. You may create alternative universes if you wish and dwell within. You are all a duplicate of the universe within which you dwell. Your mind represents all that exists. It is "fun" to see how much you can access.

Where do you think the limit of your mind is?

Q: (L) Well, I guess there is no limit.
A: If there is no limit, then what is the difference between your own mind and everything else?

82 (edited by feedbaxlow 2006-08-22 17:54:36)

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z3n3rg: Exactly.   Thanks! smile

Re: "Revelations of the Insider" - revisited

If I could have asked the Insider one thing it would have been ,


"Why does the orchestra play the song that, you, the conductor wants them to ?".

Can anyone answer that ?

84 (edited by Natural Mystic 2006-08-23 07:39:09)

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Illusion of security?  Fear of being different?  Programming?

I think there are many answers to that question, and the answers are a mixture of things.

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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I would like to hear his answer on that myself.

My only guess is that they think it is their own idea to do what they do, but in that they are misled...it is always planted there.
In the density of the power world, "what "i" can do to advance my status, control, fame, wealth"...etc it must be very difficult to tell the difference. 
Can i tell the difference? sometimes...usually when it's too late...lol. 

So is there any original thought? is it "my thinking" ever?
i seriously doubt it.
It's been my experience that thoughts think themselves, and "i" merely witness it. Because of that awareness there is an ability, at times to walk away from nonsense or trouble in the mind and in life...and that "ability to discern" is worth every minute of momentary discomfort or meditation time i have put in over the years to gain or clarify it.

The brain is conditioned by thousands of years of "learning and culture", religion, belief systems etc. We as human beings identify with some and reject others, but it is all identification with an illusion. We make a patchwork quilt of second hand information about the world, which in turn makes/reinforces a world.
People talk about gaining control and using will power, but that is a mis-statement ultimately, we let go, merge with "what is".

The mind can and does attain to a place of more stability in the sense that we are no longer fooled by erroneous thinking and "can lay our hands on" what we need to communicate, and live a harmonious life.

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"We gracefully achieve in harmony by that which we perceive"
~~carefulcarpenter

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


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feedbaxlow wrote:

So is there any original thought? is it "my thinking" ever?
i seriously doubt it.
It's been my experience that thoughts think themselves, and "i" merely witness it. Because of that awareness there is an ability, at times to walk away from nonsense or trouble in the mind and in life...and that "ability to discern" is worth every minute of momentary discomfort or meditation time i have put in over the years to gain or clarify it.

Have you been reading Eckhart Tolle? wink

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

88 (edited by feedbaxlow 2006-08-23 12:25:55)

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Daisy,
I have read Eckart Tolle recently and seen his dvd, but my feelings and experience were all well formed years before ever hearing his name.
Echhart is very clear and expresses himself very well and with his own quite original and radical tongue!  smile  .
However it is the same wisdom informing us all, how could it be any different? We are all accessing, if we do, the same wisdom that is simply here to see with "our own eyes".
Sometimes perhaps he has influenced how i express, because he is the latest "teaching" discovery of this work for me, but perhaps it is not as strong an influence on my expression as Krishnamurti and my friend and "teacher' of 30 years, Toni Packer. www.springwatercenter.org
It doesn't matter who says it or how really but if we see it deeply, it is own seeing.

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"Understand that "bloodlines" have been chosen to rule, it didn ´t just appear out of air.
The souls which incarnate into these bloodlines who rule are picked by Divine Law."

"What we believe in does not matter but it is about serving the Divine Law which was passed onto us."

"The ones you know the names of are not true bloodlines like you have been taught by theorists. They are not the
ones who write the symphony, neither conduct it.
The ones you mentioned and other known names merely play the violin or cello when they are told to, the way
they are told to."

"I will sum it up again in short, the ones that have known faces/names are not directly bloodline.
They are not the composers/conductors, they just play the flute the way they are told to.
Bushs, Clintons, Sharons, Arafats, Hitlers, Dalai Lamas, Mandelas, Blairs, Gores, Chavezs, Ghandis, Kennedys,
Lennons, Dylans, Einsteins, Michaelangelos, Popes, Ceasars, Aristotles, Herodotus, Akhenatons.
They all play/played their part the way they are/were told to.
These people who love recognition and praise of your kind would not be allowed to be in the same room with
some people I am related to."

"Most here talk about the bloodlines who rule, yet they do not know who they are.
They wrongly assume they are the Bushs/Clintons/Rothschilds/etc. because some theorists "researched" it and
some "insiders" told them by providing evidence.
I am from a ruling family whose name rarely has been mentioned in history, noone will even know who we are."



The above are quotes from the thread.

I would like to know what leverage the bloodline has over someone like Hitler, Bush, Clinton, Rothschilds and Britany Spears. (Kidding.) What if one of them were to say "I don't accept your authority. I will do as I please."

JFK comes to mind. He apparently had a change of heart and decided to do something good for the American people like create a competing government issued currency based on silver to break the stranglehold of the Federal Reserve. He also wanted to smash the CIA into a thousand pieces. The bloodlines must of asked a couple of the violin players, the tuba player and of course the percussionists to fix the situation. Since they are acting according to Devine Law, God must have asked the bloodline rulers to MURDER !

My real question is, without the use of money, murder, fear, lies, force, fraud, intimidation, blackmail, deceit, bribery and mind control, which are obviously against Divine Law, could the bloodlines rule such a wicked and unjust world.  Would they just say "Look Mr Hitler, I'm bloodline and you're not, please do as I say." ?

What leverage could a self proclaimed agent of the Devine have over evil men and women ?

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google wrote:

"Understand that "bloodlines" have been chosen to rule, it didn ´t just appear out of air.
The souls which incarnate into these bloodlines who rule are picked by Divine Law."

"What we believe in does not matter but it is about serving the Divine Law which was passed onto us."

"The ones you know the names of are not true bloodlines like you have been taught by theorists. They are not the
ones who write the symphony, neither conduct it.
The ones you mentioned and other known names merely play the violin or cello when they are told to, the way
they are told to."

"I will sum it up again in short, the ones that have known faces/names are not directly bloodline.
They are not the composers/conductors, they just play the flute the way they are told to.
Bushs, Clintons, Sharons, Arafats, Hitlers, Dalai Lamas, Mandelas, Blairs, Gores, Chavezs, Ghandis, Kennedys,
Lennons, Dylans, Einsteins, Michaelangelos, Popes, Ceasars, Aristotles, Herodotus, Akhenatons.
They all play/played their part the way they are/were told to.
These people who love recognition and praise of your kind would not be allowed to be in the same room with
some people I am related to."

"Most here talk about the bloodlines who rule, yet they do not know who they are.
They wrongly assume they are the Bushs/Clintons/Rothschilds/etc. because some theorists "researched" it and
some "insiders" told them by providing evidence.
I am from a ruling family whose name rarely has been mentioned in history, noone will even know who we are."



The above are quotes from the thread.

I would like to know what leverage the bloodline has over someone like Hitler, Bush, Clinton, Rothschilds and Britany Spears. (Kidding.) What if one of them were to say "I don't accept your authority. I will do as I please."

JFK comes to mind. He apparently had a change of heart and decided to do something good for the American people like create a competing government issued currency based on silver to break the stranglehold of the Federal Reserve. He also wanted to smash the CIA into a thousand pieces. The bloodlines must of asked a couple of the violin players, the tuba player and of course the percussionists to fix the situation. Since they are acting according to Devine Law, God must have asked the bloodline rulers to MURDER !

My real question is, without the use of money, murder, fear, lies, force, fraud, intimidation, blackmail, deceit, bribery and mind control, which are obviously against Divine Law, could the bloodlines rule such a wicked and unjust world.  Would they just say "Look Mr Hitler, I'm bloodline and you're not, please do as I say." ?

What leverage could a self proclaimed agent of the Devine have over evil men and women ?

The lie has to be supported to maintain control. The questions are more critical than the answers in the pursuit of truth. Nice post!

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


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