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How was Jesus actually of the bloodline of David if he was immaculately conceived? It couldn’t be through Mary since the Jewish hereditary line is only passed through the males hence, Abraham begot Isaac, who begot Jacob, who begot etc…

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Hi, Giordano. Good to have you here. My post prior to yours states that the Jewish/Hebrew line actually passes through the Female (maternal), not the male. It's what I've always been told, and what many Jewish friends have confirmed. That doesn't mean I'm correct. If you have other info on it, please share it. As to the Davidic line, yes, it is commonly understood that the line from Abraham to David to Jesus is intact. Jesus, through Mary from David from Abraham. I really like montalk's ideas on Time Travel and Judaism, but the above is what (I think) I know about it.

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If you read Matthew chapter one the author names the line starting all the way back to Abraham. Not once does he mention a womans name to express linage passing from it but rather as someones wife. I don't mean to sound controversial just kind of noticed it myself.

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Hi Giordano,

Some here highly support the notion that Jesus was not immaculately concieved. His father was of the name "Tonatha". This information comes from the Cassiopaean-transmissions:
[cited from http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave13.htm ]

Q: (L) Who was Jesus of Nazareth?
A: Advanced spirit.
Q: (L) Was Jesus an individual who had psychic or unusual powers from birth?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Did he have an awareness from the earliest times of his life that he was in some way special or chosen?
A: yes.
Q: (L) Was Jesus born from an immaculate conception; that is did his mother not have sex with a man in order to conceive him?
A: No.
Q: (L) She did have sex with a man in order to conceive him, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Who was the man with whom she had sex to Conceive Jesus?
A: Tonatha.
Q: (L) And who was this individual, Tonatha?
A: Acquaintance.
Q: (L) Was he selected for some reason to be the biological father of Jesus by other beings or powers.
A: Close.
Q: (L) Can you give us any details about him. What was his lineage, where did he come from, etc.
A: He was a member of the White Sect.
Q: (L) What is the white sect?
A: AKA Aryans. [This one slipped right by me.]
Q: (L) Was Mary a member of the Essene group?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was this man also a member of the Essenes?
A: No.
Q: (L) And this person, Tonatha, was chosen to be the biological father of Jesus?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Why did Mary not marry him? [Laura the eternal romantic!]
A: Feelings were extremely transient. Influenced by telepathic suggestion. Hypnotized level 1.
Q : (L) What date, counting backwards in our calendrical system, was Jesus born on?
A: 01 06 minus 14.
Q: (L) What time of day was he born?
A: 6 am.

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By Essenes I assume you mean the Qumran community of that name. Well I was under the impression that the Essenes were an entirely male group although I could be wrong of course. I actually heard that Jesus's father was a Roman soldier named Ben Pantheras or something like that.

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Well that's as far as my interests lie in this subject. I'm sure the other members can extrapolate farther.

If the transcripts interest you, why not read the Wave series? http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/waveindex.htm

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Looks pretty interesting..has anyone read her Ancient Science book on her site?

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Yes.

It is highly detailed. I do recommend it.

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Giordano, I assumed you were referring to the Biblical account of the lineage of Jesus. I can only speak to that. Good point about Matthew, but if Mary was Jewish, then she was definitely descended from Abraham. As long as she counted David among her ancestors, she belonged to the Davidic line. As for the males named in the lineage, it was a patriarchal system, so males were given the significance of record. I'd guess, since Jews are pretty firm about this maternal lineage, that everyone mentioned in the "begats" and in Matthew was not only part of the Davidic line, but they sired offspring by women who were also in that lineage. Part of keeping the race "pure" was keeping the lines (houses) likewise. It was common in those days for men to marry their cousins and family members closer than we would consider now. I'm sure a Rabbi could give you a better understanding than I can.

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BlackBox wrote:

Hi Giordano,

Some here highly support the notion that Jesus was not immaculately concieved. His father was of the name "Tonatha". This information comes from the Cassiopaean-transmissions:
[cited from http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave13.htm ]

Q: (L) Who was Jesus of Nazareth?
A: Advanced spirit.
Q: (L) Was Jesus an individual who had psychic or unusual powers from birth?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Did he have an awareness from the earliest times of his life that he was in some way special or chosen?
A: yes.
Q: (L) Was Jesus born from an immaculate conception; that is did his mother not have sex with a man in order to conceive him?
A: No.
Q: (L) She did have sex with a man in order to conceive him, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Who was the man with whom she had sex to Conceive Jesus?
A: Tonatha.
Q: (L) And who was this individual, Tonatha?
A: Acquaintance.
Q: (L) Was he selected for some reason to be the biological father of Jesus by other beings or powers.
A: Close.
Q: (L) Can you give us any details about him. What was his lineage, where did he come from, etc.
A: He was a member of the White Sect.
Q: (L) What is the white sect?
A: AKA Aryans. [This one slipped right by me.]
Q: (L) Was Mary a member of the Essene group?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was this man also a member of the Essenes?
A: No.
Q: (L) And this person, Tonatha, was chosen to be the biological father of Jesus?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Why did Mary not marry him? [Laura the eternal romantic!]
A: Feelings were extremely transient. Influenced by telepathic suggestion. Hypnotized level 1.
Q : (L) What date, counting backwards in our calendrical system, was Jesus born on?
A: 01 06 minus 14.
Q: (L) What time of day was he born?
A: 6 am.

Dear Friends
kind regards
If according to the C-Transcripts Jesus Christs father was Aryan then perhaps the Churches depiction of him looking Aryan is true.
I always thought that Aryan came from the Iranian word that meant soul nature rather than the Nazi version that depicted Nordic looking human beings as Aryan.
yours thankfully
John

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Was Jesus his name though? I thought that was just the name Paul gave him when he went to Greece. Jesus means “savior“? in Greek, and Christ means “anointed by god“? or messiah. His real name is Joshua in Hebrew spelt Yeshua.

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Yeshua ben Joseph is what I've read. Iesus in Greek, I think.

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montalk wrote:
Moralman wrote:

Why on Gods green Earth do the Illuminati want to nuke and destroy all of the Semites? I cannot understand why they would want to do that?

Probably because jews/arabs are a hindrance to those in the Illuminati who require their elimination or reduction from the gene pool. They were obstacles to Hitler's plan to breed an aryan master race, and therefore he sought to liquidate them. Supposedly, Hitler's plan was just a prelude - a foreshadowing, preview, test - for what is potentially yet to come. Instead of Nazis, we have hyperdimensional negative aliens. Instead of aryan master race, we have alien-human hybrids. Instead of WWII, we have an overt alien invasion. And so on. For some reason, jews/arabs are targets of both nazi and alien agendas...

The only reasonable explanation I've come across regarding why jews are targeted is that  the hebrew-semitic bloodlines carry some genetic encoding that will become activated around/after the dimensional transition. This, according to the Cassiopaeans. Perhaps this bloodline is the same that King David, Solomon, and Jesus were part of. What this activation entails, I don't know, except that it would activate certain behavior, missions, actions, frequencies that would prove dangerous and destabilizing to the Illuminati/Reptilian agenda for soul-domination and interbreeding of humanity after the transition. So by eliminating as many as they can before the transition, there will be fewer to activate thereafter or further propagate their genetics. That's as best as I can understand it.

However, if this really comes down to some "bloodline of light" originally present among the Hebrews of the Old Testament, and passed on to modern day generations, then genetic intermixing and divergence means there are MANY today who carry it and aren't even jewish or arab, as far as they know.

I'm thinking, and this is only speculation, that Judaism (more so than other religions) was either created or altered via time-travel to ensure that these genetics remain herded together for eventual mass-elimination. Who knows, maybe that's why Judaism is adamant against marrying outside the religion or converting to other faiths. I think that the zionist agenda is the final touch to a hyperdimensional plan initiated thousands of years ago to eliminate those genetically destined to pose an obstacle to the reptilian post-transition conquest.

I think you have hit the nail on the head here montalk.My theory is that is that the Jews & Muslims have codes (both genetic and via the'direct transmissions' of the torah and the qur'an).the tricky thing is: I suspect the codes 'activate' each other - i.e the deception of Ishmael & Isaac started a long,long time ago.I believe it is imperitave that the NWO keep Ishmael and Isaac apart - so that the codes cannot be properly activated,and STS elements incarnated into both
'bloodlines' to keep them at each other's thoats.I've heard sheiks and rabbi's that are downright demonic  - ensuring their 'lambs' absolutely 
cannot think for themselves and are kept in a perpetual state of hatred toward their semitic brothers - then you get other teachers who keep the true tradition of brotherhood of the Heart alive - there are not many of this variety.
Salaam/Shalom
Holotropic

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I never thought about that being the reason as to why he is depicted as white. Heh imagine trying to bring that up in a church service.

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it would, to say the least, kick up abit of a...'verbal-flatulence' fest, would'nt it ? smilesmile

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