JonBenet's killer found...how do the conspiracies tie in....if at all? (Page 1 of 2)

But what proof does David Icke have?  Was he there?      No, he wasn't, and that's one of the points I mentiond in my opening post.  Conspiracy researchers make many absolute statements with zero proof backing up their claims, and without having been present as a witness.  Lack of discernment on behalf of their readers results in people just lapping it up, unquestioningly.  Absolute statements from people who weren't there and have no proof are always suspcious, they can never be automatically believed.

And as far as reverse speech goes......bah.  I'm so not into that. It's such bunk.  I've yet to hear even one reverse speech example that jumped out at me as being legit.  But that's just me.   You may remember that NR post about that woman who was all into reverse speech, and made all these claims that in June, the reptilians were leaving the planet, and their ships were going to fly out of the oceans, and the sky was going to burn, etc. ?  All that from decoding the reverse speech of prominant politiicians' speeches.  It was such craziness.  Just utter craziness.  And the more mundane, every day conspiracy examples have never struck me as being legit either.  People seem to hear what they want to hear with it all.  But again, that's just my opinion.

I'm not going on record as stating either way what I believe in this case, whether it was the parents, an outsider, or both the parents and an outsider working together.  I don't know, I wasn't there.  I'm just thinking outloud basically, looking at both sides.  The whole story is just weird....

So....you don't you think that when someone is making claims as serious as the Ramses being involved in a Satanic mind control ritual abuse situation that they shouldn't have even one shred of evidence to back up what is essentially a slanderous/libelous claim?  Playing devil's advocate here, but what if somebody made claims like that about you?  That Ben is a Satanist who molests children in abuse rituals?   Those are some serious, serious claims, and people can get sued for saying that sort of thing about another.    So, just showing how in some cases, hard evidence SHOULD be given when the claims being made are as serious as ritual Satanic abuse.  To not provide any evidence for such a claim is plain irresonsible, and then slides over into the realm of slander and libel.

I'm still open minded to it.  It's just that as of this point in time I've yet to hear anything that jumps out at me, and at this point, my conclusion is that it's most likely bunk.  BUT, again, if someone ever said, "Hey, you gotta listen to this!" and provided a clip that was just utterly astounding in its reverse speech legitimacy, then definitely, I'd believe that it seems to be a real phenomenon.  Right now though....I find it highly questionable, at best!

I remember reading in one of the Pleiadian newsletters I get that the P's mentioned if we (the general public) were to look into the JonBenet case and also the Diana murder, those two things in particular, the secrets about what's going on in our world would be super exposed.

Which of course is the reason for so much being covered up.   They also mentioned the deep fears by the ones in control about all the things that could be exposed by the JonBenet case in particular.   

When I saw this new revelation on TV about this guy in Thailand the first thing that went through my mind was "patsy"...meaning they need a fall-guy to make sure this case is closed once and for all.

It makes sense at this point to put it all to rest. 

It does make you wonder where this would all lead if we could investigate it without anyone interferring.   

PH

To see the sketch by Dorothy Allison go to the link at the end of the article.

PH

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DENVER -- Psychic Dorothy Allison believed she knew what JonBenet's killer looked like and provided a sketch to the Ramsey family, based on her visions.

The Ramsey family Web site published the sketch, asking the public, "Have you seen this man? This man may have been in the Boulder area in December 1996."

The sketch was also given to Boulder police, who continued to insist that nobody outside the family was likely involved in the crime.

A comparison of the sketch side-by-side with that of a picture of suspect John Karr appears to show remarkable resemblance.

Allison originally came up with the sketch during a 1998 appearance on the nationally syndicated Leeza Gibbons Show. Allison died a year later.

The Ramsey family Web site at www.ramseyfamily.com was used to publish press releases as well as ads and flyers the Ramseys sent out in search for their daughter's killer in the spring and fall of 1997. One of the flyers contained the sketch given by Allison. The Ramsey family let the domain name of the Web site expire in 2004.

Four years before JonBenet's death, Allison assisted El Paso County investigators in the investigation of the slaying of Heather Dawn Church.

''In 30 years, I've never had accurate information from a psychic,'' a veteran law enforcement officer told The Denver Post in 1995. ''But the information by Dorothy Allison was right on the money.''

Robert Browne was later arrested and convicted in the killing of Church. Last month he admitted killing as many as 49 people across the United States.

In another strange twist in the Ramsey case, the man who originally arrested Brown in the Church slaying joined the investigation team looking into the slaying of JonBenet. He said he always believed an intruder was responsible for the crime.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9695462/detail.html#

Okay.............for starters............and I hate to be the one to keep pointing this out, and I'm not trying to defend the Ramseys, because I don't know them, and for all I know, they were guilty.  But...people's reasoning for why they suspect the Ramseys of being involved in Satantic ritual child abuse are flimsy, at best.   Again, they may very well be guilty, but all I'm saying is for people to look a bit closer at their "reasoning" and their sources for how they're drawing their conclusions.  Not just with this, but with ALL of our conspiracy/alternative research.   

In reading your post for example, your reasoning for why you believe this is because:

1.  John Mark Karr happens to have an "M" and a "K" in his initials, (but also a J, but nevermind that...) which Hey!  Links up to "MK" Ultra.

2.  He looks brainwashed.  (He doesn't look brainwashed to me, but, he does look demonically creepy.  In fact I've found it impossible to look at his picture for longer than about 3 seconds at a time.  I have to look away.  It makes my solar plexus area clench up.)   Looking brainwashed is kind of subjective, but if I had to pick what the brainwashed look is, I'd say, look at the actress Katie Holmes.  But, that's just speculation on my part.  ;)  And I digress.   

3.  Because of what Cathy O'Brien said. 

If you were trying to present a case to a jury, that would NOT hold up!  :D

Then there's the matter of the fact you're citing the Monarch program.   I would do a little more research into that one.  Because while MK Ultra apparently was real, Monarch supposedly was not.  There are so many layers upon layers of deception going on in the world of alternative conspiracy and mind control research that you can't just automatically trust and believe what you read.   Monarch was supposedly a "red herring" used to confuse people.  Gunther Russbacher wrote about that in fact, and says that "Monarch" is almost used as a measuring gauge of sorts by "TPTB" to keep track of who's real, and who's either lying, delusional, or spouting disinfo. programming.   But who knows....maybe he's lying too, although he's not the only one saying it.  But hey, maybe they're all lying then!  :D  Seriously, who knows.  It's a crazy line of research, with everybody pointing fingers and accusing everybody else of lying.

And while Cathy O'Brien is apparently the real deal as far as mind control goes, again, the situation with her and Mark Phillips is questionable at best, and it's quite possible - and highly likely - that not all the things happened to her that she believes happened to her.  I've read her book, as well as reports from people who've had bewildering and baffling encounters with Cathy and Mark, so basically both sides of the story.  And I was left thinking Yeah, things are not what they appear to be with Cathy and Mark, and for that reason, they're not a book/source that I myself would ever go around citing as proof or evidence of anything.  Something seems a little off there.   It just seems that anytime a story pops up that maybe has some ties into mind control or ritual abuse, Cathy O'Brien is sure to pipe up and claim that she was connected to it all in some way and has the inside scoop.  And who knows - maybe she was.  But I remain a bit skeptical at this point and don't just automatically believe everything that comes out of her and Mark's mouth. 

Anyway, just some feedback.  My gut instinct tells me based on various things I've read - and not alternative conspiracy/mind control sources actually, but rather, mainstream sources -  that yes, the Ramseys were not the shiny happy polished people that they would have liked the world to believe they were.  All rich fancy pants people creep me out though and are suspicious to me.  Truly.   People don't just get to that level of society without having something negative going on I don't think, and some serious skeletons in their closets, imo.  Nice people typically finish last in 3D.  That's the way it's set up.  Dark people have demonic protection and rise up the ranks and achieve richness, living in these creepy, soulless estates and mansion houses with five car garages, driving around in their yachts and fancy boats, dressing up their kids like dolls and posing for fake plastered smile family Christmas card pictures and attending fakey fakey soirees.  (see "Eyes Wide Shut" !)   All I can say to that whole deal is "eek!" and that I'd rather be poor, thank you!  ;)   So I hear ya about why your intuition is leading you to conclude what you're concluding, because I feel the same way.  But my only advise is to look closer at the sources you're citing - Monarch, Cathy O'Brien, and so on.  May not be too reliable or trustworthy.

Some years back I read that all serial killers and killers in general are always said with three names, if they have three.  I'm not sure why that is, I believe it had something to do with setting them apart in some way, a form of "programming" the public to view them a certain way exactly as you described.  So yeah, you're definitely not imagining it.   

Spin off topic, but this makes me want to start compiling a list of all the subtle programming techniques that we encounter every day designed to mold and shape how we the public views things. When I stop and think about it, I get very annoyed.   So, I normally try not to think about it too much. 

Well, I'd like to see this happen too, but I honestly don't think it will.  I did my random measuring test last year while working at a hotel that had a TV in the break room going all day long, tuned to CNN, and people were glued to it like moths to a flame.  My random comments said to both males and females, young and old, of all different colors and backgrounds were met with blank stares, or outright furrowed eyebrows, like, Huh??  You're crazy.  What??   I don't get it, I don't see what you're talking about.   So, yeah, I kind of realized then...it's hopeless.   My cynical pessimistic thought born out of frustration was that we're already past the point of no return and those who are capable of waking up would have done so by this point.  So if they haven't yet, then it means they never will, because like you said, it IS a total circus.  How much MORE circus do we need in order to jolt people out of their so-called stupor?   I mean, come on.   So if they haven't woken up yet, and are glued to the TV like hypnotized moths around a flame, then it's too late for them!   My atittude became f*ck 'em.  Don't worrry about them.  It's that whole "Save as many as you can, don't worry about the rest."  I've never had hope though that it was possible for every man, woman and child to wake up in some sort of mass awakening.  It's not possible, not in this reality with the way things are.   Everybody's at different levels, different soul frequencies, some more sentient than others. We're not all playing with the same set of tools, and everybody's going in different directions.  Hence, timeline splits and probable future realities.  A mass awakening as you described that involves *everybody* just can't be in 3D, because it implies then that everybody would have to be on the same level, on the same path, polarized the same way, with the same goal...