Topic: "Anti-Semite" comments. I don't get it...

I recently happened across the news that Mel Gibson apparently made some Anti-Semite comments after being arrested for drink driving.  But to be honest I don't really know what all the fuss is about.

So the story goes, Gibson made the comments after being stopped by the police.  So who did he make the comments to - the police themselves?  Although it isn't very nice to make racist comments - I don't quite understand how it is "illegal", especially in a country that supposedly has the freedom of speech.

So really, what is all this "anti-semite" business all about - cuz I really don't get it?

Re: "Anti-Semite" comments. I don't get it...

It's being presented to re-inforce the concept that anti-semitism is valid and that it is to be considered an undesirable thing in our society. Basically, to alter our perceptions of or our attitudes towards 'Jewish' people and, by association, to nurture an attitude of acceptance of Jews as being the 'good guys'.

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Re: "Anti-Semite" comments. I don't get it...

The irony is that most Jews aren't even semites, but most of the arabic people from that part of the world are. I don't know how the word came to mean "anti-jewish" in most people eyes (probably more bullshit from ADL), but that's not what the word means at all.

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4 (edited by lyra 2006-08-12 09:51:54)

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Marcus wrote:

I recently happened across the news that Mel Gibson apparently made some Anti-Semite comments after being arrested for drink driving.  But to be honest I don't really know what all the fuss is about.

So the story goes, Gibson made the comments after being stopped by the police.  So who did he make the comments to - the police themselves?  Although it isn't very nice to make racist comments - I don't quite understand how it is "illegal", especially in a country that supposedly has the freedom of speech.

So really, what is all this "anti-semite" business all about - cuz I really don't get it?

While in the cop car, he supposedly started ranting that the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world, and then asked the cop, "Are you a Jew?"  then said to a female cop, "What are you lookin' at, Sugar Tits?" wink  Then he said he was going to destroy the cop for arresting him, because according to Mel, he "owns Malibu." 

So much hoopla over a ridiculous drunken tyrade.  Even the - Jewish - cop who Mel was cussing out and slurring to apparently doesn't even care about what Mel said. 

For me, "sugar tits" is my new joke word.  big_smile   It's so stupid it's funny.  Gotta love it.  In fact the other day we were walking through a parking lot and I saw a vanity license plate that said Super Hits, and because of the latest introduction to the public lexicon, I thought it said "Sugar Tits" and started laughing out loud when I saw that it didn't actually say that.   

People want to get offended, insulted, they want to get all up on their high horse, caring about what other people say and think.  That's what it boils down to.  The majority of 3rd density people haven't figured out that people are allowed to think and say and feel whatever they want.  Whether other people like those opinions or not.   People can't seem to wrap their minds around that one.  It's the pinnacle of immaturity.  "It's okay for me to have *my* opinions and ideas, but *you're* not allowed to think or say anything that I personally disagree with!!!  That's wrong, offensive and unacceptable!!"   Maybe we can add this to Mahatma's list over in the thread "I'm so fed up."  wink  Seriously, it's a good one, because it's so rampant in this world.   

And as Xenopope pointed out, it's also about reconditioning society with regards to the Jews.  It's a form of mind control going on, David Icke has talked about it in a slightly different form.  For example, we're not allowed to so much as even criticize anything Israel does because to do so is to be "anti-semite."  It's such illogical, fallacious bullshit to the highest degree.   This is how the TPTB want it.  They deal in upside down, inside out fallacies of logic, for the sake of mind control and reprogramming the way society thinks.   There are other issues probably playing themselves out with regards to Mel's drunken tyrade - including the fact that many Jews are in positions of power in Hollywood and effectively "run" things, from the heads of studios, to power player producers and directors, to A list actors and actresses, and let's face it...that's where Mel works.  He works in Hollywood.  And the power players who have fallen for the "anti-semite" programming will, and already are, latching onto Mel's drunken babbling with a vengence, waving it around and kicking up a firestorm of indignation, wanting his balls on a plate.  Sorry, but my attitude is "get over it."   The fact that Mel is now going to meet with the heads of the Jewish community to atone for his silly drunken rant, speaking at gatherings and such is such complete b.s., in my opinion.  He shouldn't have to do that for ANY group he's ranting about.   If Mel wanted to offer a sincere apology for his own reasons, then cool, (and he did apparently, although whether it was sincere, who knows, and honestly, I don't care) but to go through all that extra rigamarole of meeting with community leaders and giving public contrition speeches.....all to *appease* people for whom two written public apologies still wasn't enough.....that's what I've got an issue with.   But, that's where our society is right now. 

This is one of my "button issues," the idea of people policing other people and people's thoughts being squelched down and controlled, having to change who we are to appease others.   I can't stand it.   The Mel Situation is a microcosm for much bigger, highly annoying issues pervading our 3rd density world.

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Re: "Anti-Semite" comments. I don't get it...

There are many who believe the Holocaust was staged, or contrived to forever give Israel and Jewry license
to claim victimhood in the face of ANY criticism.

It does make sense, as the "new" Israel, and the UN came into being at roughly the same time (mid to late 1940s) and the UN has seemingly always acted in Israel's favor.

In other words, give the false impression that they (the UN) are giving equal attention to all nations, when in fact the org. was pretty much created to protect Israel. And only Israel.

I also hate to see Mel caving, when it was his right to say whatever he wants, (although I hafta wonder how the whole subject came up at all when he was being arrested) Mad Max would not have done so.

And, just a little prediction, I think we will see Mel working far less now, no matter how much he apologizes. These things do have a way of staying with you.

People like Ernst Zundel, among others, who are serving terms for "historical revisionism", yes, being jailed for thoughtcrimes.

The message is that no one should dare question the official version, or numbers who may have perished, lest you end up facing a similar fate.

You will never see another nation, or people, using this defense.

Britain, for example, has done some bad stuff, but have you ever heard a Brit who is being criticized say "you are an anti-Britite!"

Nope. This ONLY works for po-wittle Israel. The one event has given protection to God's "chosen people", unto eternity.
Not too hard to see through this ploy.                                                 J

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Re: "Anti-Semite" comments. I don't get it...

Hey, it sells magazines and newspapers. Mel is plastered all over everything. For Christs sake, leave  the guy alone. Good thing Im not a celebrity, the last time I had too much to drink, I called my friend who was walking me home (holding me up actually) "my sweet tomato stake".  Dont remeber saying it, dont know where the hell that came from,  but I have not lived that one down yet.

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Re: "Anti-Semite" comments. I don't get it...

Bwahahaahhaaha, tree!  That's even worse than "sugar tits"!  Hilarious!  I'll have to remember to rib ya about that every now and then, he he.

8 (edited by lyra 2006-08-12 13:32:32)

Re: "Anti-Semite" comments. I don't get it...

All I can say is, let's try not to remember Mel this way:

http://bear-blog.blogspirit.com/images/medium_mel-gibson.4.jpg

and instead, remember Mel when he was having better days!

http://www.cine5x.com/fotos/mel_gibson_1.jpg

Oh Mel, Mel, Mel...what happened??

haha 

btw, I'm just kidding.  I've never been a Mel Gibson fan.  Haven't even seen Mad Max (or Lethal Weapon, or most of his movies for that matter).  wink  Oh well.

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Re: "Anti-Semite" comments. I don't get it...

Mel has a bit of a "Saddam" look about him in that first pic lol  big_smile

10 (edited by lyra 2006-08-12 13:37:10)

Re: "Anti-Semite" comments. I don't get it...

Marcus wrote:

Mel has a bit of a "Saddam" look about him in that first pic lol  big_smile

Indeed!



http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41064000/jpg/_41064274_051128_hussein203i.jpg


In fact, I just noticed a website called "Saddam Hussein Looks like Mel Gibson."  Here's their pic:


http://www.tarfumes.com/images/saddam-mel-gibson.jpg

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Re: "Anti-Semite" comments. I don't get it...

Yeah. Talk about not needin' another hero....FOR ME TO POOP ON!

Re: "Anti-Semite" comments. I don't get it...

Well the pics got me laughing, but really... racism is racism...am i too influenced by living in nY?
I don't care what mel said as long as he says it,
i mean he's a drunk star right?...but we are just regular folk..
this isn't about jews... for or against...
the population of Isreal is not responsible (or any country)  for "this" any more than "americans" are for responsible for what's going on in Iraq.

I realize we have been muzzled and propagandized, but that's no excuse...racism must stop here!
or you are supporting ethnic cleansing everywhere...
and don't start with that "The holocast was bogus" B.S. ...pulleeeaze...
you'd think somebody's reading "The News of the World" and believing it!

13 (edited by lyra 2006-08-12 15:23:34)

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feedbaxlow wrote:

this isn't about jews... for or against...
the population of Isreal is not responsible (or any country)  for "this" any more than "americans" are for responsible for what's going on in Iraq.

Nobody said they were.  For me, when I said "Israel" I was referring to the government.  Not the people.   


feedbaxlow wrote:

I realize we have been muzzled and propagandized, but that's no excuse...racism must stop here!

Why "must" it stop?  If somebody has those feelings, then they have a right to those feelings, whether we personally agree with them or not.  Who are you, or anybody, to tell somebody that they "must" feel otherwise?   Playing devil's advocate here, but it's a valid point.  As somebody on the 'net noted, slight paraphrase, Mel didn't say that the Jews should be lined in front of the firing squad, or that he hated Jews.  He said "they're responsible for all the wars in the world."  Whether they are or not is irrelevant....but either way, somehow that type of comment is now considered "racism."  Interesting.   ! 


feedbaxlow wrote:

or you are supporting ethnic cleansing everywhere...

Heightened emotional, illogical fallacy. 

By my saying that Mel...and everybody....has a right to their opinions, how is that promoting the idea of "ethnic cleansing" ?   

And why is it that in almost any discussion about free speech/a person's right to their (racial) opinion somebody always steps forward and makes this fallacious conclusion?  That somehow pro-free speech people are advocating "ethnic cleansing everywhere" ?  It's so boringly predictable I must say.  wink

You know, over the years I've encountered rhetoric that was anti-white people, anti-female, anti-American, anti-straight, and so on.  And as someone who can be categorized by 3rd density labeling standards wink as a straight white American female I can say that I didn't get offended, or even give it another thought.  I don't care if people feel that way.  It doesn't matter to me.  They're entitled to look down on women if they want, to hate Americans, to think white people are Satan incarnate, or whatever their opinion is.  It's their deal.   And nor did I jump to the fallacious conclusion that because they feel that way they must somehow be advocating the complete genocide of women/white people/Americans/etc.   


feedbaxlow wrote:

and don't start with that "The holocast was bogus" B.S. ...pulleeeaze...
you'd think somebody's reading "The News of the World" and believing it!

Who exactly are you referring to with the command to "don't start" ?   Nobody here even mentioned holocaust denial.  You're putting words in people's mouths - another illogical, heightened emotions based fallacy - and are already imagining a whole fight debate scenario that isn't even happening.  Sounds to me like you've duked it out before either in person or over the 'net about topics like that, and are bringing that here......even though it hasn't been mentioned.   

A major tip for better, smoother message board discussions?   Stick to what's actually been said....not the imagined fight scenario going on in your mind, whereby you're already thinking ahead to what you - mistakenly assume - the other person is thinking, or about to write.   You don't want to accuse people of things they haven't even said, or put words in their mouth.   If you're trying to make a point and "be right" then that's the surest way to automatically be wrong.  !

(I have to add that I'd actually wondered how long it would take for this thread spin off into this, and who was going to be the one to post it.  big_smile  Again, it's so predictable, it was a matter of "when" not "if"....)

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Re: "Anti-Semite" comments. I don't get it...

Well, what happens if you're Jewish and you're against what Israel is doing? Does the world explode?
The news coverage is so *weird* in the US, how they only report one side of the "war" currently underway in Israel and Lebanon. We're handed down the notion that to be agaisnt what Israel is doing is to be "anti-Semetic". It's hog-wash.
Regarding Jews starting all the wars going on in the world, who started the major wars? Disgruntled, largely secular (though they may use religion to rally support behind them, ala Bush) white people thinking they know what's good for ya. Last time I checked, Kaiser Willhelm wasn't Jewish...Hitler may have been like 1/8th Jewish. President Johnson, as far as I know (and  there's no concrete evidence he was) was not Jewish, but he decided to send more troops into Vietnam. And George Bush I and II? Wow, he wasn't and still isn't Jewish either.
Sure, you can blame banking interests and arms dealers for starting " all the world's wars", but if in your research they turn out to be Jewish, don't let yourself paint all Jews as being one and the same. It's like saying "Hey whitie, I'm gonna kill ya 'cause ya look like ma grandmas slave ownah!". There's a difference between being rational and being unabashedly racist/judgementalist.

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15 (edited by feedbaxlow 2006-08-12 20:53:18)

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Lyra, i wasn't targeting you or anybody,
but look at where fka CV's bit starts...
it wasn't outright denial of the Holocaust but it was drifting in a vein that i have been seeing growing around here...frustration is a;ll it is probably..
and i know that it is a backlash that i have felt myself lately. Anger and frustration over the same old BS in Isreal.
The bkground of the ethnic cleansing going on in the mideast now that is based originally on racist and tribal divisions.

It's subtle and everyone has a right to there opinions but what i meant is if we want peace we have to stop here" meaning in ourselves" sorry if sounding like i was pointing fingers...that was unintended, poorly stated. sorry.
Was only saying if we want to live with out more violence being perpetuated we have to take responsibilty right here in our own thoughts and words and avoid the old us and them thing...
peace... oh and
Ps Thanks for the reverse lecture...haha
i was not so emotional as i feel your response is?
was just perhaps a little too jumpy to nip that drift and whine factor again.