1 (edited by oceanroar 2006-08-07 20:17:21)

Topic: a conversation, a ghost, and an astral body vs. an echoe

a few nights ago on womens network on t.v. i caught some 'far-out' shows on poltergeist, possessions, psychic phenomenon, spirits - all sorts of stuff - from a few different programs that were on in a row ...

tonight - i found out some crazy things about an acquaintance i've recently met ... he was talking about some experiences he and his family have had regarding spirits / entities ... after an amazing conversation together regarding so many things in life, he told me a story about how an entity/poltergeist had for some time been playing with their family in some freaky/scary ways ... the entity was coming out in physical form, complete with a voice - posing as a dead relative in one occassion, even ... the funny thing in that story was that at one point the entity who was harrassing these people actually showed some heart in one encounter after some conversation (during which it was posing and presenting itself initially as a deceased family member) ...

sometimes i get feelings like there's something(s) watching - that's nothing new (although it hasn't happened for a lil while) - and for the mos part it's never been a problem -- this person that i was having this conversation about ghosts with was telling me he's had experiences where he's actually seen apparitions - and how there seems to be a few surrounding him at the moment .... he's not bothered by it at the moment either ...

he showed me this clip on the internet : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi_ETFvw6mM

Apparently this video was on discovery channel on some program where they talked about it - in the video, it's some people who are driving some place, they seem to be lost or something at one point, then they pick this person up - my friend i think speaks the language that these people were speaking in - and at one point, the girl who gets picked up seems not to be doing well, she puts her head down as they're driving - then she looks at the camera and you see what happens to her face - just before that, as she's pointing up the road, apparently she's telling them that how she was in an accident in this area just a while ago ... and then all the rest of it happens ... and there's also the weird thing that happens to the camera every time she looks at it - before the very end the camera even does weird thing on its own along with the strange sound-effect ... authentic or not ? i don't know ... just thought it was kinda intress-ting

anyhow - in the larger context - i get the impression that sometimes we seem to get "stuck" somehow in transit - or we can make our vibrations and presence here be felt in a very real way - whether it happens on purpose or not, i don't know ... probably different cases & scenarios playing out all the time ...

but it's the idea that there's continuation after death is what's intriguing --- the implications and what it means to how i live my daily life are also big in my view ... but i remember reading this conversation between K (J. Krishnamurti) and some people - and he goes into it because one of his good friends comes to visit him and tells him about his brothers death and wants some answers from K ... this stuff is probably the most fascinating stuff i've read on the subject: http://www.werobot.com/jk/sfield-app.htm  ... in this thing, K talks about the human stream of vulgarity (lol), and also about an 'echoe' rather than an astral body - i've been wanting to put this out there for a long time (as if anyone cares -- i do !) but i'm glad i got to do it like this - on this lovely almost full moon night - which has been pretty crazy on its own ...

Re: a conversation, a ghost, and an astral body vs. an echoe

This is excellent! very simple and clear.
we are STS because we cling to life and sensation
freedom is unknown to us who "live" and identify
when freedom is; it is because we are no longer, have done with the vulgar and so are actual, instead of merely thought forms
we have no permanent individual character, the idea is seen as idea
in that clarity, compassion is born 
for the stream of thinking and confusion that is "life".

Re: a conversation, a ghost, and an astral body vs. an echoe

Oh BTW that clip is freaky f scary

4 (edited by CEdicon 2006-08-08 06:09:07)

Re: a conversation, a ghost, and an astral body vs. an echoe

Sorry but that clip is working some obvious visual effects that one could create with a program like Aodbe After Effects.

I'll give you an example... whenever the camera points at her face, it is definitely a directional motion blur with a composited, duplicate layer of the same footage to add a haze around the face. It's done so quick it seems real.

They didn't have to use a 'green screen' or special shooting technique because the effects are easy to create by using multiple layers of one source video clip.

Another effect used in this is a radial blur (not a zoom blur, though)... when you set it to breathe in an out, it looks like a paranormal anomaly. Fear not, this just happens to be a great trick that I use in my own video projects.

Also, they used a really cheesy trick when they tried to recreate the register of the 'film' dipping into the frame like the camera is physically being effected. Well, its digital video, and the only the fields drop out of interlace like that on television, not on a digital video camera.

So, in my opinion, its not authentic. It is well done for television though... discovery channel loves to air shows where ghosts materialize and do weird stuff. Ever seen that episode with the girl who talked to "Mr. Gordy," her long passed neighbor, and her parents would wake up with scratches on their bodies? Haha, oh buddy.

oceanroar wrote:

anyhow - in the larger context - i get the impression that sometimes we seem to get "stuck" somehow in transit - or we can make our vibrations and presence here be felt in a very real way - whether it happens on purpose or not, i don't know ... probably different cases & scenarios playing out all the time ...

True, different cases and different scenarios, sure. But I think the majority of these close encounters are definitely inspired by the will of the higher density energy with establishing contact with the living energy for whatever cathartic purpose it may serve the dearly departed. I mean you could speculate a number of reasons why it would manifest physically and communicate with a voice... I know I'm suspicious of the reanimated lot of O.P.'s, but who knows.

Take it with a grain of salt though - I don't want to warn against a recent acquaintence if I haven't met him, but you know he could be trying to get you creeped out or whatever. You know what I mean, everyone has a story they know that will get someone going.

Q: (L) Whatchu know about that?
A: We know all about that.

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CEdicon wrote:

Sorry but that clip is working some obvious visual effects that one could create with a program like Aodbe After Effects.

I'll give you an example... whenever the camera points at her face, it is definitely a directional motion blur with a composited, duplicate layer of the same footage to add a haze around the face. It's done so quick it seems real.

They didn't have to use a 'green screen' or special shooting technique because the effects are easy to create by using multiple layers of one source video clip.

Another effect used in this is a radial blur (not a zoom blur, though)... when you set it to breathe in an out, it looks like a paranormal anomaly. Fear not, this just happens to be a great trick that I use in my own video projects.

Also, they used a really cheesy trick when they tried to recreate the register of the 'film' dipping into the frame like the camera is physically being effected. Well, its digital video, and the only the fields drop out of interlace like that on television, not on a digital video camera.

So, in my opinion, its not authentic. It is well done for television though... discovery channel loves to air shows where ghosts materialize and do weird stuff.

Not only that, but what we see in this video is just not how reality works!  big_smile  I mean, it seems obvious...maybe too obvious....but ghosts in physical form getting into a car, to where you could touch them, and interacting with other people and being on film?  Um, no.  Reality don't work that way.   When something is too good to be true, it always is.  That's the rule of thumb to live by, whether you're dealing with a salesperson or stuff being passed around on the 'net. 

In this day and age oceanroar, you can't trust "paranormal" photos and videos you find on the 'net.   I mean, everybody has Photoshop, everybody has computers, everybody has special effects and film modification abilities at their disposal.  Unless you took the picture or film yourself, or the source is someone you personally know who is absolutely 100% trustworthy, who you know wouldn't lie or try to scam you, then you just can't trust it.   Anybody can slap anything up on YouTube.  That site is a distraction tactic zoo circus cloaked in a sea of non-trustworthy anonyminity.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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lyra wrote:

distraction tactic zoo circus cloaked in a sea of non-trustworthy anonyminity.

Lyra, can I "borrow" that?  Would make a great band name (Distraction Tactic Zoo Circus) and album name (Cloaked in a Sea of Non-Trustworthy Anonymity)!

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2 true about what you said, lyra - people do put all kinds of crap out there ...

tis a "distraction tactic zoo circus"
so watch it don't jerk us,
kurtis

CEdicon was pointing out some of the reasons why he/she (sorry CEdicon - but i don't know - i mean, i have my suspicions, but really, i just don't know) thought that vid was a hoax - i had a funny feeling about some of the 'special effects' myself - namely how the camera did its funny thing when she looked at it - and how the camera did that by itself one time - that's why i mentioned those things in my post - i thought i'd get some good responses and voila ! 

but about what my acquaintance was saying with things and his family - that guy really has no reason to lie to me (even if he was lying - i'm not holding onto what he said about his experiences as if they were absolutely true) ... BUT ... interestingly enough - on one of the programs i caught on Womens network - they were interviewing i think 2 different people during the show - who had experienced poltergeist phenomenon growing up for several years ... these were like documentaries where they also interviewed so many other people that were involved in these peoples lives and who had also witnessed or were aware of what was going on ... in the 1 case, the woman was describing how the poltergeist pulled a very similar thing to what my friend described - the demon thing appearing in the form of her mother cuddling her in her bed (she said she fully felt the thing)! also stories of poltergeists choking people - full out choking to kill - so manipulating physical objects here sounds like no surprise either - like tossing loose stuff around - and even levatating beds & people ...

anyways - all this stuff about this video and the poltergeist is sort of like - ya, ok - he said she said ... and maybe ya, maybe no ... how does reality work - like so and so ... well thanx for the low-down honey but i gotta see with my own eyes and find the truth ... that's everyone's job (but 99.999 % probably don't fully own up to that - i mean be really serious about it - and that's myself included - so hah!).

feedbaxlow - you're crazy ! ... i liked reading your lines ... i liked reading that K bit too, but it was 2 much for me to take in first time around ... as for freedom - ya, wow ... lots to learn and take in (and let go) 4 sho !

... checking out the mirror of relationship ...

8 (edited by lyra 2006-08-08 11:10:08)

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oceanchild wrote:

but about what my acquaintance was saying with things and his family - that guy really has no reason to lie to me (even if he was lying - i'm not holding onto what he said about his experiences as if they were absolutely true) ... BUT ... interestingly enough - on one of the programs i caught on Womens network - they were interviewing i think 2 different people during the show - who had experienced poltergeist phenomenon growing up for several years ... these were like documentaries where they also interviewed so many other people that were involved in these peoples lives and who had also witnessed or were aware of what was going on ... in the 1 case, the woman was describing how the poltergeist pulled a very similar thing to what my friend described - the demon thing appearing in the form of her mother cuddling her in her bed (she said she fully felt the thing)! also stories of poltergeists choking people - full out choking to kill - so manipulating physical objects here sounds like no surprise either - like tossing loose stuff around - and even levatating beds & people ...

Well, nobody was doubting your friend's story, just the video link that was posted.  wink  But yeah, of course ghosts, poltergeists and non-human entities are real.  There's also what's known as memory imprints where you'll see an apparition doing something, but it's really just an energy imprint that forever does some repetitive action, over and over.  But the apparition itself isn't conscious.  So all sorts of possibilities........Conscious human ghosts of people who used to be alive but refuse to go to the light, or don't realize they're dead;  non-human non-physical entities that belong to the demonic realms, the nature divas, the non-conscious memory imprints...There's so much going on in other realms, so much activity.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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lyra wrote:

Well, nobody was doubting your friend's story, just the video link that was posted.  wink  But yeah, of course ghosts, poltergeists and non-human entities are real. There's also what's known as memory imprints where you'll see an apparition doing something, but it's really just an energy imprint that forever does some repetitive action, over and over.  But the apparition itself isn't conscious.  So all sorts of possibilities........Conscious human ghosts of people who used to be alive but refuse to go to the light, or don't realize they're dead  ;  non-human non-physical entities that belong to the demonic realms, the nature divas, the non-conscious memory imprints...There's so much going on in other realms, so much activity.

hey ya ! that's what i'm talking about ... suckers (poor suckers) not knowing they're dead, or refusing to go into the light - that's what K was saying - a personality can hang around for some time (however long), but eventually it's done-data ... that vid. stank of o-nia ... (stankonia) ... so in certain ways it was Outkast, and in others - it was a broadcast - of some tangs the falsity of which i can't comment on without an order from the white house of white-out - who refuse to face the real but instead blank out what they can't handle or don't want to deal with (the inside), so what i'm saying is some bunches of words strung together like a thought form, out the norm, from the storm of a mind viewing and spewing (ew), but on the serious side of things ... it's too good outside where i am not to be outside ...

gracias & ciao-bingo too

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oceanchild wrote:

feedbaxlow - you're crazy ! ... i liked reading your lines ... i liked reading that K bit too, but it was 2 much for me to take in first time around ... as for freedom - ya, wow ... lots to learn and take in (and let go) 4 sho !

And that's extremely easy reading for Krishnamurti, especially since everything is repeated several times in the dialogue...usually he just blazes on!  > Thanks, "Oceanroar" for that K. link!
I find him to be the most "profitable" reading..of anything ever written, period! Not easy but worth 100 times every effort.. in what is expanded in one's understanding from his very clear mind and words.
It's a shame that both that K. and the poltergeist are clumped together in this topic here since the paranormal will always get the bigger boost, adding excitement. And so Krishnamurti doesn't get the attention he deserves.

It's pretty much common knowledge now that most poltergeist activity is caused by HUMAN unintentional psycho-kinetic ability...usually around puberty.
The Writer of "the Holographic Universe", Micheal Talbot was one such unintentional creator of poltergeist manifestations. Perhaps the word poltergeist was misused in this topic probably by the person oceanroar was speaking with, there is a distinct difference between types of phenomena.

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oceanroar wrote:
lyra wrote:

Well, nobody was doubting your friend's story, just the video link that was posted.  wink  But yeah, of course ghosts, poltergeists and non-human entities are real. There's also what's known as memory imprints where you'll see an apparition doing something, but it's really just an energy imprint that forever does some repetitive action, over and over.  But the apparition itself isn't conscious.  So all sorts of possibilities........Conscious human ghosts of people who used to be alive but refuse to go to the light, or don't realize they're dead  ;  non-human non-physical entities that belong to the demonic realms, the nature divas, the non-conscious memory imprints...There's so much going on in other realms, so much activity.

hey ya ! that's what i'm talking about ... suckers (poor suckers) not knowing they're dead, or refusing to go into the light - that's what K was saying - a personality can hang around for some time (however long), but eventually it's done-data ... that vid. stank of o-nia ... (stankonia) ... so in certain ways it was Outkast, and in others - it was a broadcast - of some tangs the falsity of which i can't comment on without an order from the white house of white-out - who refuse to face the real but instead blank out what they can't handle or don't want to deal with (the inside), so what i'm saying is some bunches of words strung together like a thought form, out the norm, from the storm of a mind viewing and spewing (ew), but on the serious side of things ... it's too good outside where i am not to be outside ...

gracias & ciao-bingo too

What in the frickity frack are you saying here?  I'm lost.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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My rule of thumb has been......if it (the apparition ) doesnt interact with you, its usually an energy imprint.  If it interacts or notices you, then its probably a ghost, or whatever you want to call it.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
Ad Verecundiam

Re: a conversation, a ghost, and an astral body vs. an echoe

I would just like to point out the fact that just because something can possibly be faked does not mean that it was.

I am as is Void.

Re: a conversation, a ghost, and an astral body vs. an echoe

I would just like to point out the fact that just because something can possibly be faked does not mean that it was.

That's right. But in this case, it has all the signatures of being fake.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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feedbaxlow - yes ! finally 1 who's seen it with what K is/means ! i believe that's the first time someone's acknolwedged those teachings the way you did on this forum for me to witness with my own live eyes big_smile  ... actually i remember someone else posting a long time ago saying that he/she'd thank K one day ... (i'm familiar with his teachings and have gone into a lot of those things for myself --- but had to let go of him and come at it fresh for myself and be my own guide --- right now it feels like i'm rising out of the pits again - which never were really a stinky place - but my laziness is what's been odorous --- sorry about the personal psychic-life-style-livin'-hygiene remark --- )


lyra,
what i was trying to say is,
the best way to sway sometimes
when you find yourself in the grime
is to suck it up like a lime
with a funny mcface
and go inside
to get it high
on a moralistic-energy-anti-gravity-field-yield-to-the-flow
but don't climb no ladder
and keep it sane with chirp-chirp chatter

you dig ?


oh - and i know this is no music thread - that much is clear - but you know how borders impede the flow sometimes, no ? well since i was singin' this song - and words flying around about this K character - here's the flow from another brother who also has an affiliation with the letter K (his name's Kheaven - but don't let that bother you - and he has a new album coming out called Atlantis - this is 1 new song (seeKwilL) on there which i feel and can touch in different ways right about now: http://www.myspace.com/kos )