How to communicate with people who can't understand abstract concepts? (Page 1 of 4)

There is something I call "The F Factor" as a result of my many years observation. This is strictly connected with a "virus" that humanity have in their conscioussness. This virus may be described as Archon-mind or entity attachments; these are the concepts that NR helped me to relate.

Anyway, The F Factor is simply fascism. Don't jump to conclusion by thinking about politics or nazis or Hitler etc. As a summary, this is a core belief: "my thoughts, my views, my believes are exactly right, basic and without flaw. this is how the universe is. there is no need for me to learn/change/progress".

Over the years I too tried to communicate with them and found this is simply impossible because of this factor. As Rumi said "whatever you say, you can only tell as the other's understanding".

So there are some people I can speak with some of the concepts that are important for me and there are majority of people I talk on sports, girls, work, business, economy etc. Sad but true.

This was not like that in the beginning of my 20's, when there was a big energy in my veins which try to reach other people and lean on other people to some degree. But I'm in mid-30's now and over the years I found out this energy is precious and I need it myself.

Ooops... did I sound a bit snob & egoist? Or am I using that "F Factor" myself too? Possible. But that's the way it is now.

For starters, for me personally, the effort isn't worth it.  I don't think people like that can be changed.  I don't think their way of thinking/perceiving can be altered, as I'll outline why in a second.  But just to point out the obvious ....your family seems to be an ongoing source of problems and energy drain.   That might be something to pause and take a moment to reflect on.....

And here's where we get to the crux of the issue.   I'll pose a question/idea:   Why is it that you, me, others are able to understand abstract concepts such as emotions and so on.....and they're not?  Is it possible that these people are missing something within them that literally renders them incapable of understanding these concepts?  See, how can a person understand emotions and the like.....if their upper chakra centers are cut off, for instance? (or "higher centers" as some refer to it as.)   You may be closer to the truth than you know when you talk about them in terms of Steiner's Ahriman.  Ahrimanic consciousnes would not be wired in such a way as to EVER be able to "get" the sort of things you're able to discuss.   Granted, I don't know your family, so I just pose this as an idea for you to look into and consider.   But it seems that there's a chunk of the population that are literally incapable of processing this sort of thing.  Call them OPs, or newly incarnated 3rd density souls, I don't know, but it seems that no amount of anything, and no type of approach works for these types.  At that point it's a matter of learning to know when to cut your losses and walk away in order to conserve your own energy.   

Just my two cents! 

You know, I really don't know - For myself, I no longer hang around with or have daily exposure to people that  aren't on the same level as myself.   I'm unable to do it, and will just be alone if I have to, versus even attempting to make it work.  For me it's just too much hassle and not worth it.  The answer to your question is probably within your next statement then:

That's what I'm thinking, if indeed Ahrimanic consciousness (or something along those lines) is what's going on.  From what you've described here:

......that sounds like they have a looooong way to go - maybe never - until they're going to even get to a point where you could find some sort of level playing ground for communication.   Not to sound egotistical, but I had more self awareness as a kid then what these people you've described seem to have!   yikes.   Hell, even my CAT is more sentient and observent than many people I've crossed paths with in life....seriously, what's up with that?? !       (and I'm very serious too when I say that about my cat....complete strangers have pointed out her unusual level of intense observant awareness and sentience.....!)   Which brings it back around to:  Why is that me, you, and others like us, can communicate about these higher, intangible, abstract concepts...even as KIDS.....when these adults you're referencing can't even seem to do it even by this point in their life?  I mean, what's going on here, you know?  Something's missing within them it seems.  Why did you turn out the way you did - self aware, introspective, alert, observant, interested in spirituality and higher concepts - and they didn't?  I think people are either born with it or they're not.  And who knows, maybe adults in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond can get a jarring wake up call that flips their world right over and gives them that awareness and higher perspective overnight, enabling them to be able to ponder and discuss intangible abstract concepts, but I don't know if that's necessarily how things work.   It would be interesting to hear from anybody else who's gotten some sort of direct insight into the nature of how higher awareness evolves within a soul.  (sounds like a "Cut and paste some C's transcripts" sort of moment to me!    hehe)

Hey Marcus,

There's a great line out of the movie "The Last of the Mohicans" which fits my outlook:

"Do not try and understand them, and do not try to make them understand you, since they are a breed apart and make no sense."

Another quote I'd like to bring into this: "Where you stand on an issue depends on where you sit."

I'm at the stage where I no longer bother to explain myself unless I know that the other person is in the right stage/position to understand what I have to say. I've found that I have always been blessed with a profound level of empathy which allows me to understand another person's perspective. I note that this is a trait that I find almost completely lacking from the decision making process of "spiritually impeaded" individuals. Such people tend to be motivated by what they think they can gain from any advantage, and don't understand that sometimes the best thing to do is to exercise restraint and do nothing.

There was once a time when I would try to illuminate some more advanced concepts to a few select people. Most had no idea what I was talking about, but for the few that did the side effect was that they would tend to run with it, far beyond what I would have done. I suppose this is because they don't appreciate the time, energy, and discipline that I've had to develop in utilizing these things, and without the backdrop of hard knocks, it's like handing Pandora's Box to a 9 year old. Then I came across a novel idea - that other people aren't my responsibility, and that someone whose much wiser than me is already looking out for them in a loving way far beyond anything I could ever do, so most of the time I allow them to keep their precious bit of reality. I do this, aware that I have ways of sidestepping it if becomes necessary.

Montalk, I too have a habit of leaving idea-gaps in my wake... 

-3G

My mother in law is The F Factor.

If they have trouble with abstract concepts, then concrete examples are needed - things that can be seen or personally experienced. Sometimes even metaphors and analogies are still too abstract because they are indirect. Sharing an anecdote to illustrate your point could help.

Nothing beats personal experience, but not everyone experiences empathy, intuition, introspection, lucid dreams, synchronicities, spiritual epiphanies, or alien and paranormal phenomena. In that case, the only offensive strategy might be using concrete counter examples to reveal fallacies in their assumptions to show there is room for improvement. Even then, some will be so stuck they resort to circular reasoning to stay within the bounds of their programming.

Okay, here is an abstract thinking test. Look at Barefoot doc's avatar and describe what you see. Is there only one way to view this?

I'll assume those who do not respond are not capable of abstract thinking and are unenlightened.