Lloyd Pye - cool dude! (Page 2 of 3)

I'll bite!  I read his book several months ago, and it started me off on a whole new train of thought.  I'd actually not read Sitchin's book at that point, so it was all new to me.

I grew up hearing my dad muse over the fact that of all the world's animals, we are the least suited to our environment.  He would constantly talk about this, even though he wasn't given to "wild ideas" in any other arena.  He would also mention the passage in Genesis where god is talking to someone, and he wondered who he meant.  He also spoke of the Nephilim, and how no church sermon or bible study group ever touches on who the Nephilim were.

All this  to say I was indoctinated early on to ask these questions, so when I came across Pye's work, it resonated with me greatly. 

Funny thing-- I have no idea where my Dad originally came up with those questions and ideas.  I'll have to ask him, because he's never been much of a reader.

Interesting, Lono.  My dad would talk about semi-similar types of topics.  Growing up he would point out - at the dinner table! I love it! - how far Man has advanced in such a short time span, and basically stated that in his opinion, we got there through the help of alien technology.  It was very cool to have discussion like that as a kid of about 10, 11, 12 etc. years old.  That was my biggest influence in retrospect.   

Hi Toad, glad you enjoyed it!    Yes, I'd also love to hear more about the gene defects he's referring to.  I know that in his article, "Human Origins, Part II:  Can We Handle the Truth?" he mentions the work of Elaine Morgan, who popularized the "Aquatic Ape" theory.  Til Lloyd's work I'd never heard of her, so I researched it online.  She basically said that the many anomalies in the human body versus our primate "cousins" can be explained with the idea that at some point in our evolution, we were in water, unlike our primate cousins.  But it explains our skin/fat, how we can hold our breath under water, and many other assorted anomalies.

"The Aquatic Ape Hypothesis":

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/028563 … p;n=283155

"The Scars of Evolution":

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/019509 … p;n=283155

Elaine Morgan was ridiculed for her theory because A) She's not a part of the inner circle of the scientific establishment, so their mindset was basically, "Who the hell is she??  What right does she have to come up with a theory when she's not a scientist by profession!"  (you know, cuz god forbid anybody should dare THINK FREELY and take it upon themselves to put pieces of the puzzle together....) and B) She was a woman on top of it, which was a double blow to very patriarchal science establishment.   And while there are supposedly some problems with some parts of her theory, many other parts are apparently pretty sound, and warrant consideration.  But I think this is where Lloyd got many of his ideas about the genetic anomalies in humans, and what got him realizing just how different we are from our supposed primate "cousins."  Elaine Morgan doesn't talk about aliens or anything like that though, she's strictly saying that we evolved in a water environment, versus whatever we've been taught in our science classes about swinging from trees then transitioning to the dry savannas.   It seems like an interesting read, to learn about all of our genetic "weirdness" that's never discussed in schools.  Our local library didn't have it on hand though, which was too bad.  I'd love to check it out.  It's one more piece of the puzzle.  Let's hear it for independent researchers who notice things and put things together and dare to speak up and challenge the status quo!     

Good point.

That's so true.  Unfortunately.  Most people never really stop and ponder it the way you've put it here, but yeah, we don't know who we really are, we don't know our own - REAL, TRUE - history, we don't know what we're capable of, how we've been tinkered with, or where we're going.   People THINK they know these things, "Oh....the bible!  There you go!"  as if that's the true and accurate take-it-at-face-value "history" of man and how we came to be.   

It's a travesty I tell you.

Well that's what I assumed he was talking about too.  In fact, in his articles he mentions that animals in the wild are not born with the amount of diseases and genetic ailments that humans are...and if they are, they are removed from the gene pool.  Humans on the other hand, have a gene pool that's absolutely riddled with genetic ailments, disease and deformity.   

I just got a litle side tracked in my previous post, mentioning the Elaine Morgan/genetic anomaly material.  But yeah, you're right, that's what he's referring to.

Wow.. I was big into intervention when I got started "looking into things"... I had seen Pye's slides in a flash presentation somewhere.

Really took me back... I was reading www.halexandria.org , Hoagland, Sitchen, and stuff on those lines. I was an Enki groupie

Anyway in the end I took all these things as raising the right questions. Maybe not giving answers, but posing questions that can't be ignored.

Form that I learned to read things that make broad speculation with a mindset of distilling out what parts were useful, and which were pure speculation.

Can't wait to check out this Lipton. (mmm-mmm, fe-no-menale!) Also the halexandria site was real cute, if no-one's seen it.

Well, a general explanation of the numbers (sephiroth) can be found in Dion Fortune's "Mystical Qabalah", available online. Regardie's "Garden of Pomegranates" is more complete, as it treats the connecting paths, but I don't know if there are any in PDF online. I am also working on the seed for a thread on the tree of life in western mysticism, but as everyone may have noticed, I'm a bit slow.

My tree: done in Paint Shop Pro X all vectors. here: http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 400#p49400 along with a link to a cute book on the tree.

I'm not sure I follow... what do you mean by "your" tree?

Got a visual aid?