1 (edited by lyra 2006-07-07 15:24:31)

Topic: The U.S. vs. John Lennon

Since nobody wants to post anything, and the forum has totally died in the past week wink here's a good conversation piece:

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809233930/trailer


Yoko Ono:  "John was daring to speak out."

Reporter:  "Will you stop speaking out against the war?"
Lennon:    "No, nothing will stop me, I'll say what I feel."

Lennon:  "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives and I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that."
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"Lennon represented life.  And Mr. Nixon and Mr. Bush...represent death."
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"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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I've always found it to be a most revealing case as the the bizarre mentality of some of the U.S. PTB. I mean, WTF...just for saying stuff, they get someone to
kill him (obvious to us by now) and it's just so WIERD. I never would begin to
"get it" until beginning alt research. I'll never get it on an emotional and spiritual
level, though.

I know they didn't kill him JUST for saying stuff, but with who he was, even if all he
did was say stuff, they still would've killed him anyway cause they're just persnickety that way, gosh darn it.

3 (edited by treehugger 2006-07-07 03:14:00)

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They had him offed because of the possibilites.  He had the charisma that would make people think in a way that THEY didnt want.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
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4 (edited by lyra 2006-07-07 05:27:38)

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It's interesting that they're so openly talking about it now.   I'm a bit of a realist, (or a cynic I guess, depending!) so I look at this and think yeah, it's cool that this is out there, it's relevent again in light of Iraq, but why is it out there so openly now?   This was vehemently covered up for years.   So...maybe it's because it no longer matters?  It's too late, we're past some point of no return?   It's like when the re-make of "The Manchurian Candidate" was released in 2004, which openly depicted people being implanted, brainwashed, and the brainwashed assasination attempt on the US president, while openly mocking the "lone gunman" idea of assasinations.  Other people were all excited that this was finally getting "out there" in the mainstream world, cuz "conspiracy theorists" knew it for years even if the mainstream masses were in severe denial about it all.  But I was just like, hmmm.....(cynicism....)  They don't "allow" this stuff out there unless it's for a reason....or else it just no longer matters anymore.  Things are so far gone now they don't care, maybe?

So, is that the case here too, I wonder?   Are things so far gone now?   Do "they" know something we don't know, which makes it so that this stuff can be out there openly discussed, because it's too late?  "Yeah, we killed John Lennon.  What!"   Because you know this movie opens up a can of worms.  Get people realizing that the CIA (or whoever) killed John Lennon, the world's hero, and that gets them thinking about Ronald Reagan....Robert Kennedy.....JFK.......all these assasinations (or attempts) that for years have been pinned on lone gunmen.   

I mean, I'm GLAD people are finally waking up.  But damn...."why now?" is all I keep thinking.  Methinks that "they" realize it no longer matters.  But only "they" know why that would be.....

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Or maybe I'm just reading way too much into things, I don't know..........

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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A lot of people I know would never buy into it that the powers that be had Lennon murdered.  With all the conspiracy stuff going around, most any conspiracy theory is going to be scoffed at by a lot of people. They just think, "oh, its those damn people with their theories again".   I could probably do a poll in my neighborhood and they would say it was the lone gunman, plain and simple.   THEY made it so that anybody who comes up with a "there's more than meets the eye theory" is going to look like a fool, imo.  Conspiracy theories are all the rage, so nobody pays attention much anymore.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
Ad Verecundiam

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lyra wrote:

It's interesting that they're so openly talking about it now.   I'm a bit of a realist, (or a cynic I guess, depending!) so I look at this and think yeah, it's cool that this is out there, it's relevent again in light of Iraq, but why is it out there so openly now?   This was vehemently covered up for years.   So...maybe it's because it no longer matters?  It's too late, we're past some point of no return?   It's like when the re-make of "The Manchurian Candidate" was released in 2004, which openly depicted people being implanted, brainwashed, and the brainwashed assasination attempt on the US president, while openly mocking the "lone gunman" idea of assasinations.  Other people were all excited that this was finally getting "out there" in the mainstream world, cuz "conspiracy theorists" knew it for years even if the mainstream masses were in severe denial about it all.  But I was just like, hmmm.....(cynicism....)  They don't "allow" this stuff out there unless it's for a reason....or else it just no longer matters anymore.  Things are so far gone now they don't care, maybe?

I think it would be a key clue if we could get a handle on:  what kinds of things are people getting killed for these days?

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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lyra wrote:

It's interesting that they're so openly talking about it now.   I'm a bit of a realist, (or a cynic I guess, depending!) so I look at this and think yeah, it's cool that this is out there, it's relevent again in light of Iraq, but why is it out there so openly now?   This was vehemently covered up for years.   So...maybe it's because it no longer matters?  It's too late, we're past some point of no return?   It's like when the re-make of "The Manchurian Candidate" was released in 2004, which openly depicted people being implanted, brainwashed, and the brainwashed assasination attempt on the US president, while openly mocking the "lone gunman" idea of assasinations.  Other people were all excited that this was finally getting "out there" in the mainstream world, cuz "conspiracy theorists" knew it for years even if the mainstream masses were in severe denial about it all.  But I was just like, hmmm.....(cynicism....)  They don't "allow" this stuff out there unless it's for a reason....or else it just no longer matters anymore.  Things are so far gone now they don't care, maybe?

Yeah its suprising that they havent made a movie about this before now but better late than never i guess.  But maybe there wasnt much of an audience for it before now , im sure alot of people dont wont to entertain such nasty ideas about their government.  Any maybe now is the right time now that emotions over the whole John Lennon thing are not so strong.

But i think that it does matter that its coming out now , im sure it will get people to question things more (those few that havent woken up yet smile

9 (edited by tenetnosce 2006-07-07 12:10:29)

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lyra wrote:

They don't "allow" this stuff out there unless it's for a reason....or else it just no longer matters anymore.  Things are so far gone now they don't care, maybe?

That is kind of strange. . could be that "they" don't care or that "they" are losing their grip.  Maybe the information is just coming out so fast now. . . better to let the people be distracted by the truth about old news rather than the truth about new news.

On the other hand, somewhat sadly, it seems like it's the people (generally speaking) that don't really care anymore.  I've noticed reactions when talking with people out in the general public that somewhat mystify me.

People don't seem to put up as much resistance to so-called "conspiracy" theories as they used to. . whether it's about 9/11, assassination of JFK, chemtrails, Illuminati agendas. . . yet they also don't seem to have any emotional reaction to them.

It's kind of like. . . "Oh yeah 9/11 was totally rigged, the economy is going to collapse, and the aliens are definitely taking over soon.  So anyway, how bout that World Cup? Looks like France is gonna win it again!"

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

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tenetnosce wrote:
lyra wrote:

They don't "allow" this stuff out there unless it's for a reason....or else it just no longer matters anymore.  Things are so far gone now they don't care, maybe?

That is kind of strange. . could be that "they" don't care or that "they" are losing their grip.  Maybe the information is just coming out so fast now. . . better to let the people be distracted by the truth about old news rather than the truth about new news.

On the other hand, somewhat sadly, it seems like it's the people (generally speaking) that don't really care anymore.  I've noticed reactions when talking with people out in the general public that somewhat mystify me.

People don't seem to put up as much resistance to so-called "conspiracy" theories as they used to. . whether it's about 9/11, assassination of JFK, chemtrails, Illuminati agendas. . . yet they also don't seem to have any emotional reaction to them.

It's kind of like. . . "Oh yeah 9/11 was totally rigged, the economy is going to collapse, and the aliens are definitely taking over soon.  So anyway, how bout that World Cup? Looks like France is gonna win it again!"

Exactly.  I've had similar experiences.  Talking to someone about how "T.V" is controlled by the media, and its only purpose is for mind-control "Oh, well I'm over it, whats on next?"

I find that because I may be noticing illusions and dis-information I don't interact with any of my 'friends' anymore.  The last time my friend came over he talked about T.V commericals!  I just listened, patiently but I couldn't say anything.  He's just been watching the world cup, and was talking about commercials, yet saying "It's not like I'm going to go out and buy their products".

Maybe.

But then again, I am here, pointing the finger when I shouldn't be.  Maybe people care, maybe they don't.. repetition is an illusory confort.  The best thing I can do is understand their position and begin to see a whole picture, instead of saying I agree or disagree, right?

There is one thing I've been wondering though, right now I am not doing anything to "help" the physical plane in any way, so other than become aware, what can I do?  Seems like it is the only option, and through awareness gain more influence?

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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tenetnosce wrote:

That is kind of strange. . could be that "they" don't care or that "they" are losing their grip.  Maybe the information is just coming out so fast now. . . better to let the people be distracted by the truth about old news rather than the truth about new news.

On the other hand, somewhat sadly, it seems like it's the people (generally speaking) that don't really care anymore.  I've noticed reactions when talking with people out in the general public that somewhat mystify me.

People don't seem to put up as much resistance to so-called "conspiracy" theories as they used to. . whether it's about 9/11, assassination of JFK, chemtrails, Illuminati agendas. . . yet they also don't seem to have any emotional reaction to them.

It's kind of like. . . "Oh yeah 9/11 was totally rigged, the economy is going to collapse, and the aliens are definitely taking over soon.  So anyway, how bout that World Cup? Looks like France is gonna win it again!"

I had these thoughts too when I was making my second post in this thread, I just wasn't able to get it all out there, so I'm glad you mention it.  It really is a situation where people are either violently in denial about everything - I've encountered the people who get annoyed, if not angry at the mere MENTION that the guv'ment could have been behind 9/11 - or, they're completely apathetic.  Take your pick, it seems to be one or the other.  Both seem to represent a form of mind control though, imo.   One side is programmed into believing and backing the system no matter what, while the other is programmed to not care.....just go back to sleeeeep......sleeeeeeeeep.....zzzzzzzzzzz........

Scary stuff.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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I've wondered why the establishment bring covert things to light also.

When something is begining to be understood by many people, it is a useful tactic to acknowledge the phenomenon and then lead the masses to an incorrect conclusion. This can be done by media and Hollywood. For example, the Manchurian Candidate. Perhaps it leads people to think it is fictional and irrational to consider mind control as fact.  Another example is Fareinheit 911. Bush is simply an idiot instead of an accompliss.

Perhaps another reason to throw out scraps of truth is to test the waters.  CIA killed Lennon. Does any one care ? How controlled are people ?
It's like a survey.

Finnally, it may be sporting to rub the minions' noses in the dirt. Collectively we blind to the truth. It's like bull fighting. The bull could easily kill the guy with the cape if he would only stop looking at the cape and start looking at the guy holding it.
It's a sport.

Lyra, as you and I have discussed, the 2 most realistic movies about the Illuminati are "Eyes Wide Shut" and "Mullholland Dr." .  Kubrick probably lost his life for making the first movie, Lynch is probably alive because he hides the truth to all except the initiate.

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I think it just doesn't matter anymore, for two main reasons:

1)  Due to the ongoing media control over the past decades or century, truth is just one more idea among many floating around "out there" in the marketplace of ideas, and almost no one holds it sacred anymore for its own sake.    And we have gotten to a point in time where this principle holds true even when the darkest of secrets come to light.   

2) For those that have been sincerely seeking the truth, sooner or later they begin to reach a level of transcendence where they recognize the 3-D world as an illusion itself.   With one foot already in the spirit world, all the evils of the physical world begin to seem more like the setting of a movie than anything "real" or of any consequence.  The wars and the conspiracies and all that are still there, but it's not really frightening since it's only part of this "stage" reality and not the other (more important) one which we have also begun to perceive.

I feel pretty strongly, too, that this second reason ties directly in to the whole 2012 / "end of the age" scenario as so many different sources are indicating.   The matrix/material world may be dissolving before our eyes ... maybe the "split" is already well-underway and that's why so many people seem fake or robotic ... they're all placeholders because the true "they" has already split off onto their other timeline.   And maybe we're almost at the end of the cycle, so these fake-seeming placeholders will not be necessary for much longer ... just a thought.

It's a dream
Only a dream
And it's fading now
Fading away
It's only a dream
Just a memory without anywhere to stay

- Neil Young (2005)

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morningsun76 wrote:

I feel pretty strongly, too, that this second reason ties directly in to the whole 2012 / "end of the age" scenario as so many different sources are indicating.   The matrix/material world may be dissolving before our eyes ... maybe the "split" is already well-underway and that's why so many people seem fake or robotic ... they're all placeholders because the true "they" has already split off onto their other timeline.   And maybe we're almost at the end of the cycle, so these fake-seeming placeholders will not be necessary for much longer ... just a thought.

That's an interesting thought. . .but what purpose do the 'placeholders' serve?

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Yes, Morningsun, I'd like to hear more about the split timeline/ placeholders theory. 

Would the placeholders be ones who have already shifted through the ascension, or ones who fell back down into the "old world"?