Topic: For those who have read Allies of Humanity

I finally got around to reading the first online book, and I've ordered the 2nd one in the series.  In the meantime, I'm reading the rest of the online material, and I came across something I will really have to think about.  In The New Message from God, he states that:

"Contrary to many people’s expectations, the New Message is always given to one person. Many others are called to help this person to receive this Message and to communicate it effectively. This is how great revelations are presented both within your world and within all worlds in the Greater Community. This is done merely as a matter of efficiency. If this one individual can respond and be prepared to receive such a great burden and responsibility, and if others can respond to assist this person, then the New Revelation can be presented in a pure form. If it were given to many people, there would be dissension and misunderstanding, and people would have different versions or interpretations of what they have received. It is for this reason that a New Revelation is given through one person. Of course, this will be contested, and many people will be upset, perhaps because they were not chosen to be the one to receive the New Revelation. They may believe that many people should be chosen, but this is not how things happen in life. This is not how God works in the world or in any world in the Universe."

Well, I have mixed feelings about this, because while it makes some  sense, I'm also very leery of anyone coming across as having the only pipeline to God.

Have any of you read beyond the first two AOH books, and do you have the feeling this message has remained pure?  I've noticed a lot of channelled sources start out sounding sincere, but as time goes on I feel the channeller is either putting their own ego into it, or some other presence has begun to masquerade as the original.

2 (edited by montalk 2006-07-05 12:33:50)

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I have only read the two Allies of Humanity books, and flipped through his earlier works. What you quoted above can also be found in the first Allies book:

“This message is coming through one man. Why aren’t you contacting everybody if this is so important?"

It is merely a matter of efficiency. We do not control who is selected to receive us.
That is a matter for the Unseen Ones, those whom you could rightly call “Angels." We think of them in this way. They have selected this person, a person who has no position in the world, who is not recognized in the world, an individual who has been chosen because of his qualities and because of his heritage in the Greater Community. We are glad to have one through whom we can speak. If we spoke through more, they perhaps would disagree with one another, and the message would become confused and lost. 

We understand, from our own studenthood, that the transmission of spiritual
wisdom is generally given through one, with the support of others. This individual must bear the weight and the burden and the risk of being so chosen. We respect him for doing this, and we understand what a burden it can be. This will be misconstrued, perhaps, and that is why the Wise must remain hidden. We must remain hidden. He must remain hidden. In this way, the message can be given, and the messenger can be preserved. For there will be hostility towards this message. The visitors will oppose it and are opposing it already. Their opposition can be significant but will primarily be aimed at the messenger himself. It is for this reason that the messenger must be protected.

The risk is between corruption of a single message being interpreted differently by different messengers, and accusations of guruism if the message is kept pure by dissemination through a single messenger.

If anyone has a pipeline to anything, they better be tapped into something pure and be careful not to corrupt what comes through. What the case is may be determined by the quality of the material. We know of examples where some delusional egomaniac claims to be the only source of salvation. Fortunately the material they generate is baloney. The question is whether there could ever be a pure message delivered through a single honest messenger.

If we're talking about a fourth density STO group of alien observers, which is what the Allies basically show themselves to be, then it makes sense they would be given a single appropriate receiver to disseminate their package of knowledge. Even in offices, a single message is given to a single messenger to deliver to avoid confusing the recipient. To say that Marshall happens to be the receiver for that group does not deny other STO groups sending their knowledge packets to other receivers, nor does it deny the ability of people to tap into a more universal higher source to essentially derive the same concepts, sources like their higher selves or even the "Unseen Ones" which in this case are sixth density STO. I think it depends on the limitations of the source and the specificity of the message.

Regarding the New Message, the claim is that this particular message from God was sent only through Marshall. Does that mean no one else can receive communications from God? I doubt that's what it implies. Personally, I question the claim and don't really pay attention to that part of the material. If the rest has good, accurate, timely insights then okay, that part I appreciate. In my view, the personalities should always be secondary to the material content.

Yeah, there is always risk of ego corruption and source hoarding as time goes on. The Cassiopaean material is a good example of that. It's tough when a person is not only responsible for putting out info, but also be a leader to a group of seekers interested in the material. The seekers may put personality ahead of knowledge and turn the leader into a cult figure. Some leaders take the temptation and play guru, others get distraught at this and give up to sink back into anonymity, and others are somehow wise and strong enough to be good and wise leaders.

If someone claims they are the only source of something, then that will be proven if they are the only ones putting out those ideas. If so, most of the time the ideas are unique because they are subjective garbage no one else cared to make up, but occasionally they are unique because they tap into a new body of unrealized truths.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

3 (edited by SiriArc 2006-07-05 23:06:05)

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Consider Morphic Resonance

And Simultaneous Invention

That monkey, acting as a transducer, Receives the notion to wash her spud in that stream over there.......

Pretty soon, other monkeys in other zones are also enjoying dirt free yams.

When asked if they had visited the first monkeys website or read the book, ‘Clean Spuds For Better Living’, they replied: ‘No, The notion just came to me’ - Or: ‘I saw Herb washing his and it seemed like a good idea.......’

~~~~~~~   ~~~   ~

Recall a couple o’ Notions from Lazaris:

Cause and effect is a linear perspective - A deeper Understanding is:

Resonant Causation

The Human Challenge Is To Receive

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Very good 3 posts above.

But... something doesn't feel right. When a "higher" being says "I choose a specific person for my messages" then there's possibility of that "chosen one" being ridiculed, also having some followers, putting name/logo/flag to this message either by himself or by followers, seperating people as believers/non-believers, thus protecting this message from "non-believers" etc etc. And just as Siri wrote, morphic resonance turns all the monkeys into believers or non-believers by time.

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

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My feelings are similar to Siriarc and Fertciva on this.  I hadn't thought of it in terms of morphic resonance, but that's how I feel communication takes place. 

I have no problem whatsoever accepting that a message was delivered to only one man from the Allies.  As they state, they are physical beings in the Greater Community.  So when this popped up in Allies I, I didn't blink an eye.  But God, the creator... now that's something else. 

Of course, in reading it, it seems to be a message from God as given to the Allies, as given to Summer, as given to us.  That's a bit different, I suppose.  But I will say that the introduction offered absolutely nothing new, and seemed to repeat itself over and over.  Maybe the full book would say something different.

6 (edited by SiriArc 2006-07-06 23:53:27)

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http://forum.noblerealms.org/img/avatars/128.jpg....... morphic resonance turns all the monkeys into believers or non-believers by time.

As clarity:

The Monkey doesn’t believe anything.

She Receives a Notion

Then, from a place of Personal Power: The Willingness And Ability To Act

She Does.

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Lono wrote:

". . . if it were given to many people, there would be dissension and misunderstanding, and people would have different versions or interpretations of what they have received."

Hmm. . . I guess we are in a pickle then, since we already know from history that when a revelation is given to one person, it too results in misunderstanding and people having different interpretations.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

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The ideas in these messages are not unique. Consider the Allies of Humanity material... other authors have published similar. David Jacobs wrote 'The Threat' which talked about hybrids being bred to replace the human race. The works of Karla Turner pointed to other nefarious agendas. There's also the Cosmic Awareness channelings talking about reanimation which jives with the Allies mention that some people were being abducted and their consciousness reconstituted. Or consider the Cassiopaean material, and perhaps the Ra/Pleiadean material, same essential ideas. Of course this has made a confusing mess for people to sort out, and how many threads have we had here discussing the inconsistencies between the Cass and Ra material alone?

I'm thinking maybe it's something like copyright/plagiarism where general ideas can be disseminated by any number of authors but the exact wording is their intellectual property. One thing's for certain: controversy over personality and specialness being bestowed upon one person is likely to overshadow the content of the material itself.

I wonder though where the line should be drawn. Let's say the message was given to one hundred people. Then the typical protest might be "Why am I not one of these hundred? What makes them so damn special?" or 4400 or 144,000 or whatever. Just 1 is pretty extreme though. Would have been better to announce that this is a message that should be evident to all who discern with their minds and listen with their hearts, that 1 may be doing now what others have, could, should, and probably will be doing.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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10 (edited by morningsun76 2007-03-10 17:21:38)

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Quote of the month:

"All conspiracy theories are based on ignorance."

- David Jacobs, Ph. D.
... at the 2007 International UFO Congress in Laughlin, Nevada

I had never heard Dr. Jacobs speak before, and was disappointed that his entire presentation consisted of interesting, but ultimately unimportant, anecdotal stories from his various abductee clients.   

Based on what I was able to gather and observe, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any groundbreaking new material from this author.   Kinda in the same way I wouldn't expect any groundbreaking new material from Colin Andrews, if you catch my drift. neutral

I also saw Maurice Cotterell, who was far more interesting and stated publicly that he is not going to be disclosing all his new ideas, because he's been spoken to about it, and has decided that he prefers waking up alive in the mornings.

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I see the Allies of Humanity coming from the source of an objective personality. I get the sense that the messenger isn't supposed to be venerated,  but the message itself is supposed to be held in high regard. We can speculate as to the nature of the alien presence upon Earth, but the greatest lessons come from history, and the nature of "superior" civilizations dominating "inferior" ones. I think that this realization is the greatest leap of faith for humanity, because it places us in a defensive position where we realize that greater forces are at work. But "greater" is only referring to their technologyical abilities, because we as humans inherently possess the greater abilities, what Summers refers to as the "mental environment" where we can truly offset the alien agenda.
Unfortunately, this means we have to "wait" for the unveilment. But I think that through spreading this knowledge, as to the manipulative nature of the alien deception, it negates the negative initiatives of these foreign forces. When the time comes, we will heed the call...but ultimately it comes down to you, what you have believed, what you have done. There is always redemption, in the end, and upon realizing this, you will come to the awareness that you can never truly lose your power, so focus upon the present so that you may increase it.
I seriously doubt that the alien forces will ever reveal themselves to this world, at least in our lifetime, to the "real" place we find ourselves living within today. It's not necessarily what you can do about "them", but rather what you can do to work on your shadow side today, and upon doing so, disrupt the source that these aliens draw upon.
- Troy.

"Don't eat any wooden nickels."

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That's too bad about Jacobs his books make him appear to be a person that questions reality wanting to see that there are ETs that are not all love and light like the new age would have us believe. All I can think is he is human and humans are stubborn they don't want to change a lot of times.

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Yes, definitely not all love and light, yet they may appear that way to satisfy our desires to be saved from some external force. They very well have no true religion of their own, but would certainly use such formal and informal institutions upon Earth to achieve their aims and goals. 
Also, playing off our hopes of being the "chosen One", playing off our desire to feel superior to the rest of humanity...experiences call upon you to choose yourself, to realize that everyone truly is the One, and only when you truly serve without the pretense of guilt and duty, when you serve by bringing the love within your heart and putting it within your path, does the true redemption take place. It's when you've redeemed yourself, recognizing that you're not perfect, is when you can begin forgiving others.
Taking this back to the alien debate, the greatest call of us would be to say "Hey, I forgive you...but please, we don't need your help. We don't need your technology, we don't need you to save us. I've already saved myself, and so have countless others upon Earth. Your power is null and void upon our planet. We ask you to leave in peace." And there seriously would be nothing they could do. None. All the fear and confusion that surrounds the alien presence upon our planet is immediately dispelled once you realize our inherent power as discerning and responsible spiritual beings, once we realize they're given alot more power and fear than they deserve...once we realize they are here in extremely small numbers.
F.E.A.R = False Evidence Appearing Real. (Thanks Gary Busey!)

"Don't eat any wooden nickels."

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Magical_Mongoose wrote:

...Taking this back to the alien debate, the greatest call of us would be to say "Hey, I forgive you...but please, we don't need your help. We don't need your technology, we don't need you to save us. I've already saved myself, and so have countless others upon Earth. Your power is null and void upon our planet. We ask you to leave in peace." And there seriously would be nothing they could do. None. All the fear and confusion that surrounds the alien presence upon our planet is immediately dispelled once you realize our inherent power as discerning and responsible spiritual beings, once we realize they're given alot more power and fear than they deserve...once we realize they are here in extremely small numbers.
F.E.A.R = False Evidence Appearing Real. (Thanks Gary Busey!)

Is that true?  What about people who are abducted -- do they all consent?  Some are abducted as young children, from what I read in many places.

Can the beef steer claim its power and tell the farmer that no thank you he won't be food for humans -- and make the farmer vanish?  I don't believe so.

They can't touch your spirit.  I like to believe that and still do.  But for sure they can touch your body.

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I think consent goes much more deeper than thoughts.
You can meditate for months daily before getting to the roots of a "contract" that binds you to any kind of experience (bad or good).
If they can touch our body, that is because we haven't let our heart take control of it.
Shadow only grows in the absence of light.
Their power comes from our ignorance in the deep roots of our subconscious beliefs in our hearts, blocking spirit and love.