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If you wish to persist in calling me the chosen one then please feel free. I know who you are and I sharn't be discussing this matter with you again. I have far better things to do.

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The code of creation is many fold and i doubt there is a single code. It is like computer code to make a specific program. You can program it in a million ways and it will do the same thing, every code will be the code of creation yet there is not a single code of creation.

I see the same vaquenesses that are clear in what you say but there are more than one conclusion that can be drawn from that vaqueness. To immidiatly attribute it to madness or hostile intentions is not only immature but it is very dangerous.

So while it is very much possible that you have A code of creation or even THE code of creation. If it belongs to you and you only, that is another question entirely.

And certainly, we are all chosen in one way, if i choose to talk with you then you are chosen for that task. IF we however assume that there is one singular chosen one and noone else is like him then there is noone in their right mind who would claim to be that nor have i seen anyone do that.

All i have seen is that shan here claims that he has the code of creation that was passed to him from someone before him and he is  going to be a high target for some bad guys and to call for people to work together and help each other out.

*shrugs* Nice advice all around.

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Shanjuran wrote:

If you wish to persist in calling me the chosen one then please feel free. I know who you are and I sharn't be discussing this matter with you again. I have far better things to do.

That's funny.  Eagle Red also claimed to have a special code.  The code of creation, that only he was given.  And before he stalked off in a huff the first time he told everybody he had better things to do than waste his time with us.   He was also posting from Australia as well.  And he had gone off to go live in a tent on a hill.  Now imagine that.  And before that he admits to having been Jazzpen and Jazzpenised.

Weird!

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I just want to repost this article by Stuie. It's kinda relevant I think wink

Claridad, the Primal Trick

Article by Stuart Wilde

There is term in shamanism called claridad, it comes from the word clarity but in fact, it is the opposite of clarity. Often on an Ayahuasca journey the student will enter into the primal force in all things, it's like stumbling into the arms of God. At first they are overawed but when they return they imagine they are God, or the embodiment of God: Jesus, Buddha, whatever. That is what the shamans call claridad–the false prophet.

In the seminar business we call them 'the forty-fours'. In numerology the Christ Consciousness is 44. So our use of the term describes their pretense to a god-like status. The forty-fours are very grand and holy and chosen. They make a great show of loving others, while silently looking down their nose at people. They are always bad news. They cause trouble and sometimes they become angry when others don't see them in the same divine light.

The forty-fours are everywhere, some only have a mild form of the disquiet, they are pompous say, others buy claridad full-on and they are wearing diapers on their heads and wandering around in robes and so forth–good for a giggle but it's a bit deadly really.

We all suffer from a touch of the forty-fours from time-to-time, the trick is to nip it in the bud quickly. But if you really do think you are Jesus ask yourself this, "Am I still here?" If you are Christ you will have a command of twenty-six dimensions and you would be able to walk in and out of this space-time continuum, basically if you are still here you aren't Christ-sorry. And even if you can walk out of here, you still might not be Christ as doing so might be as common as muck one day. But using "Am I still here?" is a good way of evaluating your current progress, testing your level of Jesusness for any semblance of truth.

Claridad is comical and tragic. It is there to protect the divine and to trick you into your own destruction. If you get a really bad dose of claridad it can kill you. This because eventually you have to set up your own crucifixion to sustain the illusion of your divinity. Cancer is a form of claridad; rogue cells that eat healthy ones to sustain their illusion of immortality. There has never been a case of cancer that didn't go to its death. Either the cells are killed by treatment or the immune system, or they die once the person passes away.

One can't really heal a forty-four, one has to wait until something awful happens to them to bring them back down. You can help a bit by bowing down and pretending to recognize their divinity that will keep them alive for a bit, but try not to piss in your pants laughing, it spoils the cure. Then rise when allowed and flee. There could be a thunderbolt someplace around there quite soon.

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I just read all that he said and i've yet to see anything in what he said that warrants such agression. Certainly he said you "must" do something. Perhapse true, you must breath or you will be out of breath. You must walk or you'll be staying still, you must turn around or you'll face forward. What i mean by this is that while it is true that he says that you MUST do something it dosnt necceserily mean must or something bad will happen. Simply that it is a choice that must be made or something else will happen. And even the "choise must be made NOW" can simply mean for example. That since there is no other time besides "now" any choise made has to be always made "now" and not "tomorrow" or it will always be "Tomorrow" instead of talking about a concrete "now" one can talk about a abstract "now" anyway. I've read alot of what you've said and there is alot of interesting things and vibrations in them, i look foward to reading more tongue Its not like i cant spend 10 minutes of my day reading interesting things big_smile

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Shanjuran wrote:

It is not humans who are facing judgement day, it is them. Humans have a choice, they don't. This I promise you. They will be stepping backwards when the time comes. It is possible that a handfull will be spared such a fate, we shall just have to wait and see. Contrition is one thing, genuine desire to atone is another. Their future actions will decide the matter.

   The only humans who will be stepping backwards will be those who chose to do so of their own free will or through their inaction, same thing. I am here to break the chains that bind you to these creatures, it is up to you to walk away.  This is Day Three.

Hello. 

Could you clarify what contitutes stepping backwards by non-action?  And wouldn't that in itself be a form of judgement?


And this may be off topic, but the quotations reffering to the matrix in another thread got me thinking.  Not to read too much out of the movie - in revolutions, when Neo looses his sight and then see the machines are pure light thus completing the body/blue/Zion - mind/green/Matrix and spirit/light/machines - is that not implying that our current 'elite' that attempt to control humanity also come from the same place, although foolishly attempting to cut themselves off from the creator/source?  Meaning that whatever our current world state is our responsibility, and we cannot "blame" them, because we have done this to ourselves?

The more I think about it, the matrix movie doesn't seem to capture the essentials of our current situation.  Not that I know what the essentials are anyways. LoL.

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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Ayahuasca wrote:

If you are Christ you will have a command of twenty-six dimensions and you would be able to walk in and out of this space-time continuum

That sounds fun!  big_smile  Where can I sign up?

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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lyra wrote:

That's funny.  Eagle Red also claimed to have a special code.  The code of creation, that only he was given.

There's no such thing as a "code of creation". The only thing that can create is consciousness. I swear, this forum sometimes attracts the nuttiest of nutbags!

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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Neomatrix wrote:

I swear, this forum sometimes attracts the nuttiest of nutbags!

Indeed.  What's worse are those who don't see through it, and defend these people and support them and think that they're actually on to something real, and should be listened to.  THAT is far more frustrating.  We're not all on the same page here.  It's one thing when a nutter shows up, full of delusions, lashing out at the forum and being all schizophrenic.  We can all just roll and move past it.  But it's another thing entirely when people back them up and encourage it, making it worse, creating this "division" of sorts.  It's interesting, because it's revelatory, we get to see who's on what page.

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I am glad for these threads Eagle Red, they spark good discussion whether people agree or disagree.

tenetnosce, great post.  It does seem though, that a pattern is emerging out of those levels of control, and it would only be fitting, if the Truth is become more and more knowing as "time speeds up" or whatever we may feel is happening right now (with a little uncertainty right?). 

For starters, Level one control interpreted from an "external" view has a differnet meaning...

We can't fix the problem ourselves; it can only come through the "grace" of God.

If we are part of "God" then "grace" does indeed come from within, thus we have the ability to heal ourselves. 

Many scriptures are very watered down and mis-interpreted by level three control.

New Age religion would have us believe that everything is just perfect.  All we need to do is unconditionally accept ourselves and the world.  Change your perception and change the world.  Well this is closer to the truth, but notice how the flaw is still there.  It's just more subtle.  No matter how accepting one becomes, more and more crap just keeps getting piled up to accept.  Of course now, rather than the Church, I am offered endless books, seminars, angels, and guides that are supposed to help me on the "Path".  I forge ahead like a good little lightworker, fearlessly accepting increasingly disheartening experiences cleverly disguised as "lessons".  Level two control.

Indeed, but as you said "A little close to the Truth".  Self empowerment, healing, and various other techniques can be learn from this control.  But as we know, the "New Age" is also getting watered down and under control.  Just the fact that it has a "name" is getting away from the Truth.

So "next age" shows us the manipulators.  What we are learning will help us transcend their created reality?

While we are so busy running around trying to develop a new specialized language we fail to notice that other people are experiencing the SAME thing we are. . . and they are so busy scrambling to find the words to describe their experience that they fail to notice it as well.  Welcome to New Babylon.

Yeah.  So, if we are all experiencing the same thing, does that indicate that something may be happening with consciousness?  LoL, I guess by attempting to describe it, I am indeed failing to notice it now.  I am wondering, why did you relate it to Babylon?  I don't have any understanding on Babylon really, what was it like?

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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Shanjuran wrote:

It is wrong to think that the ruling 'elite' are particularly clever. They are in fact particularly stupid, with their archaic ways and barbaric reactions to anything that stands in their way. They have numerous symbols and special 'dates' and riddiculous rites that they can't function without.

And theirin lies their weakness!! Their whole 'system' relies on methods of trickery! Without deception it cannot exist! It is painfully obvious that they are clinging to desperate ways long past and gone.

I am as is Void.

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lyra wrote:

Indeed.  What's worse are those who don't see through it, and defend these people and support them and think that they're actually on to something real, and should be listened to.  THAT is far more frustrating.  We're not all on the same page here.  It's one thing when a nutter shows up, full of delusions, lashing out at the forum and being all schizophrenic.  We can all just roll and move past it.  But it's another thing entirely when people back them up and encourage it, making it worse, creating this "division" of sorts.  It's interesting, because it's revelatory, we get to see who's on what page.

Yeah, exactly. I'm sure that if I came onto the forum under a different name, professed to have access to some secret, special code of creation, then simply spat out a few apocalyptic sounding warnings about how we all need to repent (sinners!) before it's too late, that at least a few people would probably think I'm onto something, and start following me around in sycophantic fashion. "Tell us more, tell us more!" Some people are just sheep, waiting to be lead.

I also love the whole "don't call me the chosen one!" angle. It's a commonly used psychological tactic that's meant to assure us that he's really not after being placed on any kind of pedestal, when in fact its clear from his writings that the opposite is indeed the case. "I have the special secret code of creation, and you don't! I'm chosen and you weren't, and I don't have to tell you why! Neener, neener, neener! Oh, but don't call me the chosen one. Even though I am! And I won't be in control of your destiny, but if you don't do as I've told you then you're doomed! Doomed I tell you!!"

Rrrrrrrright...

Case in point, the following statement: "In a way you could blame me for all the woes ahead. If I was to go back to sleep they would have no cause to bring down all these calamities. The thing is, these next 6 years of potential hell are nothing at all when compared to taking a backward evolutionary step because that is what is in store for you if I did leave. But of course I will not."

Please leave, Shanjuran. Please? Pretty please with a cherry on top? I have no desire to suffer so that you can sit in your tent on top of your hill and endlessly pontificate.

You know, I really thought that everyone on this forum was beyond such childish nonsense. Obviously some people are still looking externally for the truth. If so, then fine. As you say, not everyone is on the same page. But they can spare me their wounded egos when their fragile belief system comes under attack. Those who had to quickly dash out of the IRC chat room last night because of this, you know what I mean.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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I feel sorry for his rabbit.

fidly

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Im actually getting better at picking out the nutbags!  I had a feeling it might be Eagle Red or Jazzpen or whoever again, when I read the post.  They dont give up do they?

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
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Neomatrix wrote:

I swear, this forum sometimes attracts the nuttiest of nutbags!

i feel this makes the internet interesting. I like to here esoteric views of the world. This does not injure my ego and it surely interests my curiosity. I can always skimm past things that don't affect me. Is this not a trait of the sincerely objective thinker?

lyra wrote:

Indeed.  What's worse are those who don't see through it, and defend these people and support them and think that they're actually on to something real, and should be listened to.

I wouldn't be so harsh with others. Is it YOU --"The One"-- that sees, and the others are merely ignorant because they respond with kindness, consideration, or challenge?  My ego is not affected by one who came here to share a grander perspective. I am curios myself to what this wise one will share with us.

lyra wrote:

THAT is far more frustrating.

Frustrating because some dare to listen and respond?  Are we all expected to group as one, and not use our own individual perceptions to evaluate what is before us? Your frusration may be your narcissism irritated because someone dare to speak as the "All Knowing".  I want to hear what others think. I want to hear the responses by one who thinks they have a code. It can't harm me to listen,, yet it may harm me if I ignore.

"Ignore is the root of ignorance"

lyra wrote:

We're not all on the same page here.  It's one thing when a nutter shows up, full of delusions, lashing out at the forum and being all schizophrenic.

I would think this would make one quite the "norm" on this site?  I see many with delusions and it makes it interesting for me to be here. Anyway, nutters and individualists forge the way for the rest of us to be the same. Individuation is the growth path to greater insights and mental health. One person's delusions may be another person's truth. Do you not agree?

"Not on the same page here"-- are we supposed to be reading the same book? It sounds like conformity to me--I am not a conformist--I am a free man!

lyra wrote:

We can all just roll and move past it.  But it's another thing entirely when people back them up and encourage it, making it worse, creating this "division" of sorts.  It's interesting, because it's revelatory, we get to see who's on what page.

"WE"?? I don't think this is a club or an elite organization is it? Did I walk into a group where I don't have the right to question... or look at things from my own view?  It sounds like you make judgments about where eachof us are on the growth chart in the book? 
"Division"? "creating this division" ??? Holy moly... I am in a meme dominated by "The One".  Or am I deluded?

Sorry for being tough on you, but isn't that what the group is doing to Shanjuran (me included). "Tough love"-- maybe this is what we all need if we want to heal the world. LOVE is a powerful tool for healing--accompanied with truth. I want to hear more truth--I'll decide myself what to believe in.

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*I guess this means I'm out of the group*

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