Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

My ex mother-in-law is narcissistic and bi-polar.  And to top it off she is a bible-thumper
exhibiting all of the negative traits of Virgo.  She trapped her husband by getting pregnant.
What a mindless troublemaking b*tch.  Two of her daughters are also bi-polar---gee, what's
the uproar for the day?  Glad I'm not involved with that family any more.

Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

Tom, my friend is also bi-polar and narccisistic. I try to keep my distance as best I can, she only lives a couple houses up from me.  But once you leave their "club", they go out of their way to try and manipulate you back in.  Its soooo tiring sometimes.  Their lives dont feel "normal" to them unless its full of drama and chaos. They love to look for trouble.    Its so frustrating too, because other neighbors think she is so upbeat and funny.  If they ONLY KNEW.   They reel you in and cocoon you in their little world, flattering you,making you think they truly care about you.  .  And when its far too late you realize that its all about them. Everything.  That their emotions are only mimicked.  I thought I had this great friend, and all this time I was being manipulated, and lied to. She wanted me to conform to her set of rules and morals. She is absolutely nothing she says she is.  I dont sound bitter, now do I?  : )

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
Ad Verecundiam

18 (edited by lyra 2006-06-27 12:09:42)

Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

My aunt who I've never met (my dad's sister Lynn) is bi-polar.  Reading the last few posts just reminded me of some things.  Back in highschool she used to get into regularly scheduled brawls.  She was so amped up all the time (before being diagnosed and put on Lithium) that she'd pick fights to keep herself entertained and to vent all that excess energy, and had so many it was like trying to keep track of a schedule.  big_smile  She didn't like my mom either in highschool and I think they brawled a few times.  big_smile   She had a kid by 17 and was finally diagnosed as Manic Depressive and medicated.   Years later my brother tells me this story of visiting with my dad's crazy family (his whole family's nuts, Lynn is the least of the problem actually!) and how Lynn calmly "mentioned" at the dinner table that she keeps cyanide pills in her purse in case she decides to finally kill herself.  !   "Hi, I'm crazy, pass the potatoes..."

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

Lyra, yeah, its weird. You kind of have to act like they're normal, because they get mad if you tell them "it's your illness talking"....LOOOk out! Worst thing you can say.  So, as much as I hate it, and to keep peace all around, I have to play the "game".  There are moments when it seems she is so normal, and we are walking our dogs,......and then she turns around and spits venom at the little girl walking the dog behind us because she says she's "walking too close on purpose, little brat!"  ???????  "Hi, I dont think Im crazy because I take my pills, pass the potatoes..."

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
Ad Verecundiam

Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

Being bipolar is supposed to be a disorder, but for some it seems to be a natural mode of existence. I mean if your life directive involves learning consciously, then mental and emotional imbalances can only interfere. But if life is about being a feeder, then bipolar behavior could be optimal. The first can be cured, the second only suppressed.

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While thanking and praising someone honestly and succinctly is okay, notice how sycophants often make a public spectacle of their flattery and yet their words reveal hints of insincerity. Maybe they are trying to integrate into a group by going out of their way to praise whoever the group supports. Maybe they are buying social perks by nestling themselves beneath the umbrella of authority. Maybe they hate the person they are praising but are puffing up a false front out of denial or deception. Maybe they have been tapped to elevate a target with lavish praise in order to build resentment in others and ultimately provoke the target's crucifixion. Or if sincere, maybe they are too giddy and inconsiderate to be more modest and private in their praise.

All I know is that overblown flattery given in front of others either increases the STS dynamic if the leader is narcissistic and his followers weak, or sabotages a balanced dynamic if the leader is honest but some of his group members are vulnerable to pangs of programmed animosity.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

I very much agree on the points you make Montalk.  I was discusssing this with another friend who is involved with the bi-polar friend. The fact is, the behavior has always been there, the imbalance just amplifies it. So because she was diagnosed, she thinks that she now has an excuse to behave badly because," she cant help it".   She zones in on peoples weaknesses, saturates them with flattery, and she has them hooked. I will be the first to admit, I was weak and vunerable, and prime for the pickin.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
Ad Verecundiam

22 (edited by titmouse_ 2006-06-27 17:36:22)

Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

From my expereince, a sycophant will tune in on your weaknesses, eventually. Praise is usually a set-up.  Other tactics they use is making pajorative comments about their superior to discover your response, and pack it away for later use. "You said"...is a favorite. They will get you to commit to something so they can hold you to a higher standard, thus justifying later reprisals. A true sycophant has a meaness under their facade, a void born of revenge from the perception of being slighted by popular people; meaness usually adds to disfunctionality in their personal lives.

With subtlety, they speak with a subliteral language that can be intuited. Within about 10 minutes I can spot their style.  Compassion and empathy are feined, so if you are atuned to life's unconscious signals you will feel them, and their cunningness. They are so used to building people up, that they have developed a habit, a static pattern. These are innovative people, but not creative by any realistic means;  not in a disciplined way that a truely sensitive person would understand from experience--they are mediocre at best. They do not listen to classical music in private, nor truely understand art or poetry, or have an ability to conceptualize three to four dimensions in their minds; these are all communications that excite the soul. Like the malignant narcissist, they rely on taking ideas and energy from a donor and embellishing it with their charm and grandiosity. They will paint you a wonderfully unrealistic picture, and your narcissism will bite like a pike. They do not do well alone; and groups can usually sort them out after awhile.  Their security needs come from control, and doling out spirit-killing  news.


I thought by now that a few people would have found discrepancies in the thread title. What... do Great Whites scare you?



"Small fish swim in schools; the Great White Shark swims alone."
~~carefulcarpenter

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


1+1=1

Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

titmouse_ wrote:

Sycophants and structure:people helping people

No one needs others to take care of them, for the most part, once they become healthy adults. The problem is: in order to build a structure where people can help people--first the people must be made sick. Lying is a method to make healthy people sick. Most kids are born healthy. They laugh and cry; play and fight; engage in creative thought and are curious.  Adults socialize these kids by essentially lying to them, and convincing them that  social norms are the best methods to build self-esteem and success in the world; but are these norms truthful for the continued health of the individual? This is the problem with large groups of people--they become dependent due to "The LIE". A free person is one who has self-love and shares the light of truth with others ie. a messiah, so others may be free to enjoy this precious gift of life. A teacher of basic truths is despised by "the people of the lie". People with a strong sense of self do not gain this by the lie--they do it by seeking the inner wisdom granted through the unconscious God--the unus mundus.

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I want to play the cheerleader and say that this is a very insightful post.

I'm afraid I have nothing more to add.

I would love to raise my child to be an independent, creative thinker.

I've had to fight to get my creativity back.

The creative mind, for me,  has been a battle with myself.

That's something I like about listening to jazz musicians.

You can hear their inner dialog.

Sorry for the little tangent.

24 (edited by Tom Paine 2006-06-27 18:16:00)

Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

titmouse--
You could be describing Matrix agents or organic portals from the traits you've
mentioned.  At any rate, their prime function seems to be causing trouble.

As montalk pointed out in one of his articles (or was it Corissa Conti?) that the
real humans tend to hang together in groups separate from the OP's in any
corporate structure.  The real humans, sensing the subtle differences and
witnessing the corporate back-stabbing that the "others" do find themselves
only able to confide in their own kind.

Brings to mind a quote from Eliphaz Levi:

"The soul breathes in something unwholesome
        when in the company of fools or knaves."

Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

Google,

I can identify with your statement about fighting to get your creativity back.  Hits home for a lot of us, yeah?  wink

If there is no time
      Then you have time for everything.
   You're never in a hurry.
That's true freedom.

Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

Stepping out of the present and thinking back to when I was a kid, I had such an amazing time.  I would be able to play make-belife non stop for hours, with or without props.  And then something happened... 

It started around grade 6/7/8 when all of a sudden school wasn't about "learning" but about gossip and populairity.  Not to put the blame on school, but it was a major influence at the time.  All of a sudden we (as a grade) stopped playing games at recess and started standing in circles talking.. about what?  It's like a major shift in my life, and that whole period (about 5 years) became a blurr.  I remember some good times, but most of the experiences were empty, or maybe just too full of junk that I forgot the background of silence.  And this slow process became reality once I hit high school.  It really is a bunch of lies comtemplating on the subject.

But if not for that experience, I would have not begun to look inside.

It seems so ironic... the world's structures are built so perfectly for control, but its through that very control that freedom is found.  The world is so bent on looking outside, when all that is needed is to look inward.

So simple! tongue

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

Google,
Nice little point there about jazz musicians. 
TP

28 (edited by SednaSphere 2006-06-27 23:10:47)

Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

What's interesting to me is that sychophants fit into the "normal " world we are sold so well. In my experience, bipolar people are not the ones who are the sychophants for the most part, although they may be. A bipolar person who wants
to be ill and use their illness to create drama thus feed the MCS would also have to be someone who could be classified as a sociopath. There is a universal insanity of so called "health" and normalcy which is the farthest thing from a healthy mentality.
Just because someone is labelled as bipolar doesn't mean they are sychophants or MCS pawns. My impression is that the MCS can make people bipolar . I'm not condoning these manipulators, and there are those who just don't care, whether ill or not, but alot of people with mental illnesses are so stigmatized that talking about it is the last thing they would ever do.
All people with mental illness, so-called or factual,do not fall under the same umbrella, any more than would mentally healthy people.  It's more than likely that people who are wanton
and irresponsibe about how they are bipolar are actually organic portals who are lying
in order to gain an excuse to be irresponsible, and "sympathy." But they seldom succeed as well as the common secret psychopath;due to their obvious imbalance
they will be gotten rid of while the truly insane ( and not many people realize that insanity can look like sanity) are running the show. To me, the MCS is planting these people in order to keep sincere and brilliant "mentally ill" people who are "sane in an insane world" down, in order to make sure that they are never healed of their deep wounds, are stigmatized and torn down until their illness is worse.  Then after all that, when the shit hits the fan, you come to realize that the quiet crazies were right all along, and not so crazy. I'm convinced the worst drama queens and sychophants know exactly what they are doing...it's not an effecient system for the
MCS to have its agents go on the fritz with emotional problems all the time. It might be done occasionally, but most of the things that are done by MCS controlled people are willfull, deliberate and calm...done by a healthy human animal with no
conscience. It's not something that can be explained in orthodox diagnostic terms.

Look at people who are a bit too perfect...It's "see how NORMAL I am, see how
healthy" and they don't go near anything even remotely unconventional or controversial. It's become hip and chic to be bipolar, perhaps, in the same way
it was hip and chic to be addicted to heroin. The truth is that one or two out of millions are encouraged or allowed to be glamourized or lauded for their "cool"
mental problems. The rest suffer in silence and are often abused.

No matter what the situation or who the person is , whatever their mental condition
, one should never put up with ANY guilt trips, sad stories, shocking confessions,
etc. "Look at me I'm wacko." I don't buy it. It's not like that. People who say these things are really a bunch of fakes, or they are exaggerating some nugget, some hook word, some emotional trigger, in order to really do alot of damage to alot of unsuspecting people.

Having said this, there was one bipolar person I dealt with who was every kind of poison mentioned here, and then some, and I was as unsuspecting as can be. He
was, in hindsite, a rather pitiful shell of a person who'd been inhabited by malevolent forces and destroyed .  A distinct if rare evidence
of one of the ways the controllers work, unfortunately.

They want to control our lives...get inside our heads and mess us up, place crazy
making people in our paths who are impossible to work with. It's all been specifically planned to play on our worst fears. One of our deepest fears is to go
crazy, and they know that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impression_management

Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

Tom Paine wrote:

If you call them out and show them that you see what they're doing,
they will use their sickening talents against you.

It is best to not show your hand to these types. Let them think that
they are operating unnoticed.  And watch your back.

Tom..for some reason I missed this post.  You are so right on with this comment!!!

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
Ad Verecundiam

Re: Sychopants: self-seeking flatterer: Mr Schmee

I know some very creative people who have been hobbled and burdened with these
bi-polar types.  It's like they're sent by the MCS to neutralize the effectiveness of
the creatives by embroiling them in useless entanglements.
This is where the creative type must learn to say NO and cut off their relationship
with them.  Unfortunately this is seldom the case.