Topic: Ruh-roh...the future of pets is NOT going to the dogs.

I received this link from an internet aquaintance two days ago, and then this morning heard the radio DJs talking about these Genpets. So far the few thoughts I've heard about Genpets are that they are creepy, freakish, and seriously, seriously messed up.

I mean, look at this critter...it looks like something you'd see in a horror movie, and a B-movie at that!




http://www.genpets.com/images/meet_hold.jpg





Say Hello to the all New Genpetsâ„¢ from Bio.Genica!
The Genpetsâ„¢ are Pre-Packaged, Bioengineered pets implemented today!
That’s right, Genpets are not toys or robots. They are living, breathing genetic animals.

We use a process called "Zygote Micro Injection" which is quickly becoming a favourable method to combine DNA, or to insert certain proteins from different species. Most notably it was used in 1997 to splice mice with bioluminescent jellyfish (link) and has since been used to create glowing rabbits, pigs, fish, and monkeys (link). Since then, human DNA has been injected into rabbits, chimpanzees, spider DNA into sheep, and now, Genpets have arrived!

Read National Geographic's site for more information on human animal hybrids (link). ...con't.

http://www.genpets.com/meet.php


The Faqs and Features links are also interesting look-sees.

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Re: Ruh-roh...the future of pets is NOT going to the dogs.

Atlantis, here we come.

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Re: Ruh-roh...the future of pets is NOT going to the dogs.

what the ???

is taht for real ?
huh ?
say again ?
no wait ...

wow man - that's ... freaky

... checking out the mirror of relationship ...

Re: Ruh-roh...the future of pets is NOT going to the dogs.

I think oceanchild summed it up pretty well for me.....WTF?????

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Re: Ruh-roh...the future of pets is NOT going to the dogs.

I, for one, do not believe this is real.  I think the web site is made to look real, but if you read the FAQ, it seems to be a very subtle jab to our consumerism and need for pets that don't inconvenience us.

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I'm pretty sure they are plastic, but still, the idea is just sickening.  And like some of their site blurb points out, we're being prepared for the next scientific advance.  Reminds me of Blade Runner with those set lifespans.

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Re: Ruh-roh...the future of pets is NOT going to the dogs.

From National Geographic, but, but, but, I still cannot believe it.  I will continue to search...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news … meras.html

Is this part of the preparation process to the introduction to our friends from the sky or shall I say from beneath?

Animal-Human Hybrids Spark Controversy
Maryann Mott
National Geographic News

January 25, 2005

Scientists have begun blurring the line between human and animal by producing chimeras–a hybrid creature that's part human, part animal.

Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. The embryos were reportedly the first human-animal chimeras successfully created. They were allowed to develop for several days in a laboratory dish before the scientists destroyed the embryos to harvest their stem cells.

In Minnesota last year researchers at the Mayo Clinic created pigs with human blood flowing through their bodies.

And at Stanford University in California an experiment might be done later this year to create mice with human brains.

Scientists feel that, the more humanlike the animal, the better research model it makes for testing drugs or possibly growing "spare parts," such as livers, to transplant into humans.

Watching how human cells mature and interact in a living creature may also lead to the discoveries of new medical treatments.

But creating human-animal chimeras–named after a monster in Greek mythology that had a lion's head, goat's body, and serpent's tail–has raised troubling questions: What new subhuman combination should be produced and for what purpose? At what point would it be considered human? And what rights, if any, should it have?

There are currently no U.S. federal laws that address these issues.

Ethical Guidelines

The National Academy of Sciences, which advises the U.S. government, has been studying the issue. In March it plans to present voluntary ethical guidelines for researchers.

A chimera is a mixture of two or more species in one body. Not all are considered troubling, though.

For example, faulty human heart valves are routinely replaced with ones taken from cows and pigs. The surgery–which makes the recipient a human-animal chimera–is widely accepted. And for years scientists have added human genes to bacteria and farm animals.
What's caused the uproar is the mixing of human stem cells with embryonic animals to create new species.

Biotechnology activist Jeremy Rifkin is opposed to crossing species boundaries, because he believes animals have the right to exist without being tampered with or crossed with another species.

He concedes that these studies would lead to some medical breakthroughs. Still, they should not be done.

"There are other ways to advance medicine and human health besides going out into the strange, brave new world of chimeric animals," Rifkin said, adding that sophisticated computer models can substitute for experimentation on live animals.

"One doesn't have to be religious or into animal rights to think this doesn't make sense," he continued. "It's the scientists who want to do this. They've now gone over the edge into the pathological domain."

David Magnus, director of the Stanford Center for Biomedical Ethics at Stanford University, believes the real worry is whether or not chimeras will be put to uses that are problematic, risky, or dangerous.

Human Born to Mice Parents?

For example, an experiment that would raise concerns, he said, is genetically engineering mice to produce human sperm and eggs, then doing in vitro fertilization to produce a child whose parents are a pair of mice.

"Most people would find that problematic," Magnus said, "but those uses are bizarre and not, to the best of my knowledge, anything that anybody is remotely contemplating. Most uses of chimeras are actually much more relevant to practical concerns."

Last year Canada passed the Assisted Human Reproduction Act, which bans chimeras. Specifically, it prohibits transferring a nonhuman cell into a human embryo and putting human cells into a nonhuman embryo.

Cynthia Cohen is a member of Canada's Stem Cell Oversight Committee, which oversees research protocols to ensure they are in accordance with the new guidelines.

She believes a ban should also be put into place in the U.S.

Creating chimeras, she said, by mixing human and animal gametes (sperms and eggs) or transferring reproductive cells, diminishes human dignity.

"It would deny that there is something distinctive and valuable about human beings that ought to be honored and protected," said Cohen, who is also the senior research fellow at Georgetown University's Kennedy Institute of Ethics in Washington, D.C.

But, she noted, the wording on such a ban needs to be developed carefully. It shouldn't outlaw ethical and legitimate experiments–such as transferring a limited number of adult human stem cells into animal embryos in order to learn how they proliferate and grow during the prenatal period.

Irv Weissman, director of Stanford University's Institute of Cancer/Stem Cell Biology and Medicine in California, is against a ban in the United States.

"Anybody who puts their own moral guidance in the way of this biomedical science, where they want to impose their will–not just be part of an argument–if that leads to a ban or moratorium. … they are stopping research that would save human lives," he said.

Mice With Human Brains

Weissman has already created mice with brains that are about one percent human.

Later this year he may conduct another experiment where the mice have 100 percent human brains. This would be done, he said, by injecting human neurons into the brains of embryonic mice.

Before being born, the mice would be killed and dissected to see if the architecture of a human brain had formed. If it did, he'd look for traces of human cognitive behavior.

Weissman said he's not a mad scientist trying to create a human in an animal body. He hopes the experiment leads to a better understanding of how the brain works, which would be useful in treating diseases like Alzheimer's or Parkinson's disease.

The test has not yet begun. Weissman is waiting to read the National Academy's report, due out in March.

William Cheshire, associate professor of neurology at the Mayo Clinic's Jacksonville, Florida, branch, feels that combining human and animal neurons is problematic.

"This is unexplored biologic territory," he said. "Whatever moral threshold of human neural development we might choose to set as the limit for such an experiment, there would be a considerable risk of exceeding that limit before it could be recognized."

Cheshire supports research that combines human and animal cells to study cellular function. As an undergraduate he participated in research that fused human and mouse cells.

But where he draws the ethical line is on research that would destroy a human embryo to obtain cells, or research that would create an organism that is partly human and partly animal.

"We must be cautious not to violate the integrity of humanity or of animal life over which we have a stewardship responsibility," said Cheshire, a member of Christian Medical and Dental Associations. "Research projects that create human-animal chimeras risk disturbing fragile ecosystems, endanger health, and affront species integrity."

Regards,

Lee

Re: Ruh-roh...the future of pets is NOT going to the dogs.

yup its a hoax
http://www.brandejs.ca/portfolio5/gp01.php

thats the artist that made them

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"Artist Statement (V1.3)
"In 1985, the US Patents and trademarks Office (PTO) affirmed the legal precedent, ruling that genetically engineered plants, seeds and plant tissue could all be patented"1. Today, agricultural crops are being modified and organisms with built-in obsolescence are being sold as commodities. Life itself is quickly becoming a processed commodity in the privatization of nature. Biological engineering by large companies, outside of nature has become a terrifying reality for my generation to contend with.

Today, we are well within the process of desensitizing an upcoming generation towards accepting bioengineering as “natural” . I see this generation slowly and systematically being desensitized towards owning and manipulating life through toys such as Tamagotchis, and Furbies. Toys that mimic living creatures but carry no weight of responsibility with them. Individually these objects are harmless, however when analysing the trends in consumption on a larger scale, we can see that with every new toy the envelope is pushed a little further. Bioengineered pets could not have been acceptable yesterday, but they are today. Boundaries have been eroded.

I fear that this is leading us onto a dangerous path of objectifying living matter even more than we do so today and Genpets is my interpretation of how such a relationship would look. We have artificially separated ourselves from nature and refer to the organic as 'product'.

Any new technology can bring with it both positive and negative ramifications. However we must ask questions every step of the way. I see how we treat the life already surrounding us that we have no moral claim over and I fear for any life brought into the world through the act of genetic manipulation; Life that would inherently have patented DNA. It would not be far fetched to assume that any such creation would have no rights of its own and be subject to whatever treatment deemed necessary upon it. Whether by testing, or packaging, this life would be a commodity of less value than any we have today. Genpets is meant to ask questions about a great deal of issues by providing a tangible example of a possible future.

*1 (Science, Seeds and Cyborgs, pg93)"

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Re: Ruh-roh...the future of pets is NOT going to the dogs.

good hoax though, but I was a little suspicious, since I didn't think we had anywhere near the biotech capabilities for that sort of thing

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Good research, Limukala! 

I kind of like the fact that the artist is putting this out there for people to really think about before it inevitably happens. 

BTW, I realized while reading your post that I cannot read any of your posts without hearing them rendered in Bender's voice.  wink  I guess something about your writing style matches your avatar  in a curious way.

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This thing is a real bad idea.
Genetic toying is one of the greatest fools games, a major false god and the most dangeous of fallen sciences.

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Good grief, looks like seed of chucky and cabbage patch girl forgot to use birth control   big_smile  big_smile   All kidding aside, I agree that genetic toying is something to not mess with as Starcat pointed out........

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Wow, and here I was thinking that GigaPets were a subtle plot by neg STS...  smile

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manyeagles wrote:

Good grief, looks like seed of chucky and cabbage patch girl forgot to use birth control   big_smile  big_smile

haha you mean garbage pail kids/turd people!  XD  . . . that's pretty good the way they made the package have the little light and a power cord draped down. LAWL!!! because you know you wouldn't want to have the thing expire prematurely!!

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