16 (edited by limukala 2006-06-06 19:30:06)

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I had had to spend ten minutes convincing the person at the cable company that I really just wanted cable internet, and had no desire for any kind of TV service.   Then when the cable people arrived, she had signed us up for internet along with the most basic cable package.  I guess she assumed that by "NO TV" I meant minimal tv, cause it was just completely out of the realm of possibility that somebody might NEVER watch the tell-lievision.

I have you say you are right on about the internet news though, it has become an addiction for me.  At least I don't read the trivial and frivolous pap that passes for information on MSM, but even the underground news sites and blogs have become obviously useless, and therefore detrimental to my development.

I think we're tapping into another wave of consciousness, or whatever you want to call it, as everyone I know seems to be moving beyond information gathering and into the realm of action.  Now is the time to put our knowledge to use with passion and commitment.

seeker of truth

follow no path
all paths lead where

truth is here

E.E. Cummings

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limukala wrote:

I guess she assumed that by "NO TV" I meant minimal tv, cause it was just completely out of the realm of possibility that somebody might NEVER watch the tell-lievision.
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Tell-lievision !
WoW !!
I like that !!!

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18 (edited by titmouse_ 2006-06-06 20:02:49)

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At some point you just let the "force" be with you. Go with the Gnostic path of knowledge. It may seem rather "elitist" to think this way, yet the rewards are astonishing.

How much knowledge do you really need? The internet is an ideal way to learn - at your own speed! Media- just as any source of expertice - is a "hired gun". Is this the wisdom you need and want to fulfilled your life??

Quality! Integrity!

These are the priorities one must set for oneself. We all have a right to choose - free will- man!

The TV has been mostly off for 12 years in my house. My daughter (19) and her boyfriend fron NY City(22) were sitting on our roof tonight with us watching the sunset. She said "TV sucks". Jon said, "City people suck".  They were sitting with a couple old goats who tossed out TV back in the kid's prime years. Now what do they have to keep us aware?

They know themselves!  They don't live to many false expectations.  This is not easy parenting. This is not the easy path in life. Gnosticism is a gift from Spirit. Something I have lived since I was 20 when I realized I could live my dream - to serve others - no matter what dream others were pursuing.

The media is selling the dream of the visionaries.




"Blinded by self importance... the visionaries of society haven't the vision of a blind musician, nor the perception of a churchmouse_"
~~carefulcarpenter

"If you're not giving it... you're not getting it!"

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


1+1=1

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Lyra wrote wrote:

For myself, I'm resisting the click....for ALL media, from here on out.  That's it.  I'll check my emails, run my website and do the occasional post at NR, but NO MORE NEWS, of ANY kind.  And if this is throwing out babies with bathwater.....then let those babies fly.

VERY BOLD. I'm inspired.

Keep us posted on any realizations and shifts you experience in your life as a result. I bet you hit this wall because you're supposed to devote more time to writing. People are being PUT INTO ACTION these past two months (somebody on this thread mentioned the same.) The wool-gathering is coming to an end...

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I hear you, Lyra.  I stopped watching TV back in '95 when I heard a particularly disturbing story on the news and decided I wasn't going to stay awake at night being upset over things that I cannot help.  Slowly, I realized after a few months that I had no idea why the rest of the "sheep"/populace was acting the way they were or heading in certain directions, and a new realization hit me.  I've always felt like I came here (to Earth) to be human, to understand humanity, and to possibly assist in some way.  I realized with sudden clarity that if I had no idea what the mass concsious was being "fed" through the media, I had no way of understanding their reasons for acting the new ways they do.  I had essentially cut myself off from the herd.  But, in my case, that was not good (because I give off a "weird" vibe, as it is, and I need to understand people in order to help them, not alienate them further).   I don't watch much TV and don't have cable or Dish, but I still find some of the PBS shows to be fairly informative.

Now, I'm very much in agreement with Risen.... choose which stories you want to read, and ignore the rest of the fluff.  I also find it most interesting to see which way TPTB are attempting to steer (and divide) the population.  Yes, it's disturbing most of the time, but awareness is a must, especially during these times.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." ~ Mark Twain

21 (edited by PleiadeanHealer 2006-06-06 21:05:15)

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lyra,
Nice to see you're taking the next step.   I would imagine most of us here will follow... eventually.    This is alot harder than most would admit.

P.S.
One other thing I forgot to mention is the sort of "intolerance" many are feeling these days.   It's like we can't stand it anymore and have to make changes, which is good.    Intolerance can be a very important part of our transformations.... I know I've been feeling my fair share of it, but it was hard to identify at first, all of this can be very confusing when it first hits you.

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Im finding that I cant stand having the TV on in the background. My husband likes to watch the Food channel on the weekends, and even that bugs me.  Its hard to believe anything in the media nowadays.  I even told my father to stop renewing my Newsweek magazine, its just as bad as the TV.  I also hate it when you go to the doctors office and they have CNN blasting in the waiting room, you just cant get away from it.  Its amazing the things you DO notice when you are not plugged into all that chatter and noise. Id rather sit and listen to the sounds outside, thats my entertainment lately, and it never disappoints me.    I have a friend who, even though I told her I dont watch the tv (especially things like Oprah) she insists on telling me the show she watched from beginning to end.  Aaargh!   She's like a walking TV.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
Ad Verecundiam

23 (edited by lyra 2006-06-07 06:58:58)

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Hi all, thanks for the responses.  smile  I was really glad to see everybody's thoughts on the media, and experiences with the people around you.  That's what I was hoping for, so we could get a compilation of many people's ideas on the matter from everybody's unique perspective, which maybe can help inspire everybody reading this.  smile There's so much good stuff that's been written, so I'll just address stuff that really jumped out at me:



StarCat wrote:

Just about any hollywood film made is pure trash anymore with the same old repeating themes we have seen too many times. Images of violence and killing mostly. Why?
Why do people want to see this kind of thing ? Why is it ok to sanction this kind of so called entertainment?

Back when I used to watch TV and consume media in greater amounts I never noticed the violence or was affected by it.  I was numb to it all.  Now it's a whole different story.  This may sound corny to some, but recently we were watching a movie "The Messenger," about Joan of Arc, and there's this one nasty scene in it, which we had no idea about, and which I won't mention here cause I just don't feel like it, and that really messed me up.  It STILL messes me up just thinking about it.  For days afterwards I was very upset at having viewed that scene, mad that I didn't know it was coming up, and so didn't have the chance to skip past it.  I know it's not real, but it doesn't matter.  Watching an imitation of nasty depravity DOES have an almost equally bad effect as the real thing, if you've gotten to the point where I and others are finding ourselves.  For others it probably doesn't affect them and they breeze right past it.  Actually I still can't entirely pinpoint what it was about that scene that effected me so negatively.  Think it was the fact that the scene in question was given a light hearted feel.  It's like the film maker had a sense of humor about it.  ugh.  Anyway.



Risen wrote:

Seems to me, its more a matter of what links one clicks on and what sites one goes to.  Shielding ones self from the world doesnt necessarily make it go away, obviously.  Plus there are some truths to be gained from many links.

To clarify..........for me, this isn't about sticking my head in the sand and hoping something will go away, or that I need to be shielded from the world, it's that I can see how it's all a repetitive program that never ends.  On and on and on.   It's become a broken record, only, a broken record that just gets progressively worse, and worse, and worse.  How much more do I need to see?   I know it exists...but I realize that it's not changing anytime soon.  Let others partake in it if they so choose.   I'm going to go wander off in a different direction.  !   We have this mistaken assumption in society that we "must be informed!"  And I'm not saying this is you, but this is the general attitude, that we "need" to have some connection to what's going on..........no matter how negative, how irrelevent...how repetitive.   

Do we though?  Do we really?   Does it make us better people when we watch the news?  Read the papers?  Click on various internet news sites?  Even selectively?   In most instances, no.   

It's to the point where I don't even want to read the headlines on the main news sites while trying to weed through them to get to better stuff.  I've been doing that for months, and even that bothers me now, just seeing what the stories are about without actually reading them.  Seeing the type of stuff they're putting out there.  *They're peddling a version of reality that they want us to accept.  And I no longer want to.* 

I'll still go to websites pertaining to specific research, definitely, but I'm just done with headlines, news, and frivolous entertainment stuff, even selectively.  Selectively isn't even cutting it anymore.  I don't want to hear "their" ideas and beliefs anymorek in any form.  They're not mine.

Imagine if millions did that!  Everybody, turning their backs on them, becoming educated and aware of what's really going on....and then DOING something about it!   

That's my other big beef, while I'm at it.................everybody read read reading the news, even the alternative news sites, becoming "informed".........but not ACTING on that knowledge.  Not putting it to use.   What's the point of becoming informed if we don't DO anything??


I particularly loved all these ideas, which are related:


Kingsrook99 wrote:

Isn't it silly (insiduous, actually) how you can make a pointed effort to ignore all this tripe, and it still manages to make it's way to your attention?

sinaptix wrote:

The funniest part about this, is people will stop me from working, to tell me about TV commercials. Stop what you're doing, stop thinking, drop everything let me regurgitate my programming on to you. People call me on the phone to tell me about the TV I'm missing.  It's weird, like you're not allowed to say no thanks I'm not interested, people come out of the woodwork to say no, come with me I have to show you this.

Lakme wrote:

When I'm in an airport and CNN is blasting from every nook and cranny, I find myself "running for cover" and trying to escape!  It's almost impossibe to do. 

treehugger wrote:

have a friend who, even though I told her I dont watch the tv (especially things like Oprah) she insists on telling me the show she watched from beginning to end.  Aaargh!   She's like a walking TV.

NaturalMystic wrote:

It seems though, like a little bit of media is poping up when in not at home.  Either at work (radio) or getting groceries!  That is the worst, while waiting in line to pay they have to bombard every lineup with fake plastic magazins promoting sex and consumerism..... 

I still don't care!

But I 'know' about it.. and that is the sad part! LoL

You guys are so right about how one can't fully FULLY escape it....it still manages to creep in, someway, somehow.  The trick is to try to tune it out.   My coworkers like to sit around catching up on the latest celeb gossip, who's doing what, to whom, and rehashing TV show plots.   I mean, alright, I'd click on the entertainment fluff blogs to read and kill time when I'm bored...but I'm not going to like, TALK about these celebs lives, you know??  There's different LEVELS you see, for how far one takes the madness! big_smile   And sitting around talking about it with all my coworkers and analyzing it all is just going WAY too far, okay??  haha   So...gotta tune that stuff out.   And at the grocery store check stand when you have all those mags staring at you like what NM just mentioned.....look away!  Wow!  Great ceiling up there!   Wow, cool shoes she's got!  Wow, so many varieties of Altoids!  big_smile

So, what to do then regarding the people who still want to "regurgitate their programming" to you as Sinaptix put it.  (btw I loved that whole, "Come with me....I have to show you this....stop what you're doing, stop everything, stop thinking....")  I don't really have to deal with this myself too often, being that I have no family to contend with and otherwise interact with very few people.   But what I have experienced on quite a few occasions are those who are like, "Did you see ______ last night?"  Automatically assuming/expecting "Yes" as the answer, never even fathoming that not only did I NOT watch that program, but guess what.....I don't even own a TV.    So when I say no, I didn't see it, they start to launch into the big smiling re-hashing of all their favorite parts and highlights, and I'll just stare at them, and start slowly shaking my head back and forth, quizzically, then interrupt their excited plot recounting with a "I don't own a TV."

The respnose is usually some sort of stammering, then comes the clarifying and reclarifying of what was just said.  It's like it's incomprehensible.   Almost like I told them "Hi.  I can fly."    haha   Kind of like:


limukala wrote:

I had had to spend ten minutes convincing the person at the cable company that I really just wanted cable internet, and had no desire for any kind of TV service.   Then when the cable people arrived, she had signed us up for internet along with the most basic cable package.  I guess she assumed that by "NO TV" I meant minimal tv, cause it was just completely out of the realm of possibility that somebody might NEVER watch the tell-lievision.

If we put our heads together I'm sure we could all come up with clever ways to navigate through situations where people want us - EXPECT us - to stop what we're doing, and go with them.....come, come listen to me regurgitate my programming....   I've found that explaining that I don't even own a TV....then listening to them with an annoyed look while they insist on talking to me about TV usually does the trick.  big_smile   "Yeah.  That's great.  Thanks for sharing."   roll   Or, maybe just do the blank "I'm barely tolerating you" look, for those who don't dig negatively-tinged conversations.  Something.  There has to be a way.

And in doing that, we could be doing them a service too.  Planting seeds.  Bringing to their attention that there are other ways to be.  You don't HAVE to sit there for hours every night watching TV.   


treehugger wrote:

Id rather sit and listen to the sounds outside, thats my entertainment lately, and it never disappoints me.

Me too!  I even record it with my hand held tape recorder.  smile  We have so many birds in the woods surrounding our apartment, lots of natural audio going on.  It's great!


Anyway thanks to everybody who's posted so far, if I didn't quote something don't take it personally....too much good stuff to quote.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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ahem... ehm... may I join you non-TV owners after the world cup? big_smile

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

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feritciva wrote:

ahem... ehm... may I join you non-TV owners after the world cup? big_smile

Ah, the game's probably rigged anyway.  wink

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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26 (edited by Natural Mystic 2006-06-07 11:45:28)

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Hehe.  I've come to realize that sports on T.V. aren't even worth watching.  I've LOVED hockey since I was a kid, I've always watched it.  But not these playoffs!  With the referring, consumer promotions, player salaries and "owners" then game has become.. I dunno "weird".  This year they even called it the "new NHL".  Well you know what.. I fell in love with hockey not because of the NHL, but because I would play it with my friends for hours on the streets in our neighbourhood.

I'd like to quote Tool's new song, which is their only single off the new album, which deals with the topic we're discussing, although relating to the more negative aspect of the news (war, muder, etc...)

Tool - Vicarious wrote:

Eye on the TV
'Cause tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavor
It happens to be

Like:
"Killed by the husband"
"Drowned by the ocean"
"Shot by his own son"
"She used a poison in his tea
and kissed him goodbye"
That's my kind of story
It's no fun til someone dies

Don't look me at like
I am a monster
Frown out your one face
But with the other
Stare like a junkie
Into the TV
Stare like a zombie

While the mother, holds her child
Watches him die
Hands to the sky cryin,
"Why, oh why?"

'Cause I need to watch things die
From a distance
Vicariously, I
Live while the whole world dies
You all need it too - don't lie.

Why can't we just admit it?
Why can't we just admit it?
We won't give pause until the blood is flowin'
Neither the brave nor bold
Will write us the story so
We won't give pause until the blood is flowin'

Blood like rain falling down
Drown on grave and ground

Part vampire
Part warrior
Carnivore and voyeur
Stare at the transmittal
Sing to the death rattle

La, la, la, la, la, la, la-lie

Credulous at best
Your desire to believe in
Angels in the hearts of men.
But pull your head on out
Your head please and give a listen
Shouldn't have to say it all again

I need to watch things die
From a good safe distance
Vicariously, I
Live while the whole world dies
You all feel the same so
Why can't we just admit it?

The universe is hostile
So impersonal
Devour to survive
So it is, so it's always been ...

We all feed on tragedy
It's like blood to a vampire

Vicariously, I
Live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I.

I love the fact that they put this song out as their single, and it's played in the media so people can hear it.  And they have a point, everything that is happening in the world (wars, dis-ease's, major "natural" disasters) are all happening because we are letting it happen (as a whole) and we're probably letting this happen because we a "drawn" to this state. 

How many people will watch the news tonight on a war?  A murder?  Car accident?  People dying?

It's unbelievable.  But is this what it will take for us to "wake up"??

And I'd just like to congratulate everyone here that has either thrown away their T.V. or has reduced it's usage!  I think it makes a BIG difference! smile

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

27 (edited by lyra 2006-06-12 04:40:38)

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feritciva wrote:

ahem... ehm... may I join you non-TV owners after the world cup? big_smile

lyra wrote:

Ah, the game's probably rigged anyway.  wink

I was sort of kidding when I said that....but not really, because I think ALL major sports events are rigged, especially the big ones, during big games.   Why?  $$$$.   And today I found this bit by Stuart Wilde on his website:

Stuart Wilde wrote:

Soccer Scandal in Italy
http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_ … italy.html

Some time ago I said a soccer scandal would rock Italy. She’s coming down the right wing at high speed. Toot, toot!

The entire board of Juventus, the current Italian champions, the most decorated club in Italy, has just resigned. There are rumors of match fixing both in Italy and in the Champion’s League, which is the European club championship. The incentive is money. If a club does well in the Champion’s League the rewards run to tens of millions of euros and a successful club attracts world-class players that other clubs can’t sign. In the American NFL the number one draft pick goes to the worst team in the league but in European soccer the best players go to the team that makes the best financial offer that has the most prestige....

To an Italian his mother comes first, soccer is second, and his car or motorbike is third. The rest of his life: church, money, life, death, sex, romance, children etc are well down the list.  Soccer is religion in Italy. This is going to be a big shock, but if in the end it all gets cleaned up it, it will make the game more fair because dodgy refereeing decisions and match fixing spoil the world’s most popular game.

....A while ago, I saw in the Mirror-World how bent the game is and how a very famous footballer had been paid a vast sum to throw a World Cup final. Maybe he’ll come out with the dirty laundry in this sting, ’should be good. Some really big names are going to get their finger cracked as the tray of the cash register slams shut, others may do time in the slammer before this thing pans out to the final whistle - fun, fun, fun.

!   

He has hopes that the game will get cleaned up and back on track, but I don't know if any major sport with big $$$ involved could ever be honest.   That's why it's probably best to not watch it and fall for it.  It's not real, at least, not in the way that the fans think it is, where the outcome is truly "open" and anybody can truly win.  The fans watch it for those two reasons.  When TPTB remove those two aspects of the game, then what's left?  A fictional game.  Something that may as well have been scripted for a movie, or TV show.  It becomes not real...like so many aspects of this reality.   sad

Anyway.....going into Week 2 of "resisting the click."   Did good last week.....didn't read the news, didn't click on any entertainment stories, didn't visit any news/entertainment websites.

We could be in the middle of WWIII right now and I wouldn't know!  big_smile

I have to admit though, I did one small cheat.   I saw the People magazine at the newstand showing Angelina and Brad's baby pictures.

I was in a line.  I was bored.

I looked.

sad  I didn't resist the flip.  oh well.   hehe   Other than that, doing good.   I figured it would take a week to feel the effects of no news and silly entertainment fluff, and there is a difference already.   Bringing books to work is the key!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Very interesting.
Lyra, since you've started this thread, I realized how many times I turn on TV and look at news without being aware of it - with some other thoughts in my mind about work or the books I read lately.

I do not normally watch TV except some sports and some series I like (eg. The X-files, Carnivale). But I realised I spare more time to orchestrated news than I thought before.

So yes, I join the resistance!

PS: eee, does World Cup news count? big_smile
PS II: Hey Pictus, say something! Your team is expected to win this cup anyway.

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

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feritciva wrote:

Very interesting.
Lyra, since you've started this thread, I realized how many times I turn on TV and look at news without being aware of it - with some other thoughts in my mind about work or the books I read lately.

I do not normally watch TV except some sports and some series I like (eg. The X-files, Carnivale). But I realised I spare more time to orchestrated news than I thought before.

So yes, I join the resistance!

Well cool!  smile  Congratulations!   Even if we're not consciously paying attention to something, the words and ideas are still seeping into the subconscious...taking insidious root into our brains.....mmmwaaahahahahahaha!  big_smile  So it's probably good to not even "watch" the news in that way either.

Oh yeah....and we did watch a movie over the weekend.  So I wasn't COMPLETELY entertainment free.   Don't want to be all like, militant about it.   haha   The $3 discount theater was showing the movie "Stay", one of those illusory reality/mind bender movies where one doesn't know WHAT'S really going on til the very end.  It's available on DVD though for those who are interested in seeing it. (The discount theater is 6 months to a year behind, but on purpose...it's why they charge $3, hehe   It's the whole point of the theater...)  I added a write up on this movie to my "Meaningful Movies/Mind Control Symbolisms" section on my website, because it had so many going on it was worth a mention.  So, I'll still occasionally do those types of good movies.   I don't want to eliminate that just yet.  wink


feritciva wrote:

PS: eee, does World Cup news count? big_smile

big_smile  Well, that's up to you.  Whatever you feel like you should be doing. 


Admittedly for me, I still have entertainment fluff in my peripheral awareness.  It's only been just barely a week, so, it hasn't completely gone away.  I'm curious to see what happens after each passing week, if even the awareness of it can fade.  I want to be so out of the loop that I wouldn't know what's going on with anything....other than what I have deamed meaningful for my own personal life.  smile  We'll see!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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feritciva wrote:

PS II: Hey Pictus, say something! Your team is expected to win this cup anyway.

HEheheheh
I do not like soccer…
Well, our players are not in the best physical/mind condition, but
from the little I saw looks like they got a good flexible tactical
attack that will give a lot of troubles to the adversaries.

Bye, Pictus

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