1 (edited by Capitan 2006-06-02 13:32:17)

Topic: Criss Angel

Is anybody else seen the Criss Angel show "Mindfreak".   That show just blows me away.  I believe it has a big impact on me because it is the most distinct visual evidence that the commonly excepted Western viewpoint of reality is wrong. 

In the 2 episodes that I saw from last night he levitated between two buildings about 2 stories in the air for about 100 feet, and was making random people vanish in crowded scenarios.  Maybe I'm just really gullible or maybe Criss has a control over this reality that we can only begin to fathom.

I fixed the levitation link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPp5WvAn … ss%20angel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRR30Tll … ss%20angel

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Those were pretty good tricks, especially the first one. In the second, the camera guy, woman in the chair, and person who donated the cloak were part of the act, and there's a trap door built into the ground, but it's pretty convincing nonetheless.

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I followed the link and I see "All your video are belong to us" LOL. So did they get pwned or does someone there have a sense of humor while they're down for maintenance?

Reminded me of this levitation spoiler I posted a while ago. It only explains a basic levitation, not some of the fancier levitations I've seen him do in online vids...

http://media.putfile.com/Criss-Angel-Le … evealed-20

4 (edited by visavis 2006-06-01 22:25:27)

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Isn't anybody going to mention the obvious connection or deal this guy has with negative hyperdimensionals / forces?  Sheesh... Bending the laws of physics is nothing for the initiate.

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

5 (edited by lyra 2006-06-02 05:11:49)

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In the trick where the woman disappears, the giveaways are:

- You can clearly see downward movement through the sheet, indicating the trap door that the woman went through.

- When he goes to kiss her goodbye, the cameraman makes sure to not show her face.....because she's not there anymore.  She's already moved down through the trapdoor. 



In the trick where he "flies", he's completely stiff, and his feet are flat, as if standing on something.

If you're truly hanging in mid air, your toes will hang downward.

I've "flown" in my dreams and had more realistic posture than that!   big_smile  Seriously.  He's not manipulating the laws of physics, he's a street magician, nothing more.

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Right, it's all illusion.  I've seen him show how the levitating trick works.  There's a lot of showmanship involved to take your mind off the mechanical aspects.

7 (edited by Capitan 2006-06-02 13:33:12)

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visavis wrote:

Isn't anybody going to mention the obvious connection or deal this guy has with negative hyperdimensionals / forces?  Sheesh... Bending the laws of physics is nothing for the initiate.

I have a feeling that Criss may be injuring his Karma for exposing the flaws in the matrix to those who don't want to be shown, but are there negative consequences to me if he has connection to negative hyperdimensionals.  I thought about this befor, and couldn't think of any way in which my facination with his magical tricks could bring me higher dimensional harm.   

I fixed the levitation link as well.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

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he's a pretty good witch and techno wizard, struttin his stuff. probably what TPTB want, to create an interest in the negative uses of occult knowledge. get the masses on the dark side, if we are destined to unlock our powers, the PTB want everyone to be on their side.

seriously guys, anyone who flashes their powers like this is defenitely negatively oriented.

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nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Maybe I'm missing something here................so far two examples of Criss Angel's "magic" were posted in this thread, and both were quite obviously trickery.   In the first stunt he was standing on something invisible, and the second stunt the women "disappeared" via a trapdoor.   I mean....you can see this in the clip.  You can see the downward movement through the sheet.   Yet people are still claiming that he's an initiate, using occultic powers, he's of the dark side, and so on.   But how can he be then when his stuff is just magician trickery?

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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10 (edited by Capitan 2006-06-03 07:54:01)

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Lyra, I watched the whole last season on DVD and after a while of trying to make up explainations of how he does the stuff you see on the show it gets to the point were the only reasonable answer is that there is in fact some sort of reality manipulation occuring.  That is my opinion and I expect many if not nearly all to go against it.  His "magic" to me is the only "visible" proof that I can remember that proves my old concept of reality is wrong.  If nothing else it tells me, I can't beileve what you see.

zonabi wrote:

probably what TPTB want, to create an interest in the negative uses of occult knowledge.

I don't think TPTB would allow the fake reality that they have taught us about our whole lives to be challenged.  One of the best ways to invoke fear in a person who believes when they die, they are gone, is to tell them someone is threatening their life.   If that person see's someone doing things that question the simplist when you die your dead reality, they may begin to question it.  If George Bush came on TV saying we need to invade Iran before they hit us with a nuclear weapon, and the Americans sat back and said "Wait a minute, I can't justify killing all these people to protect myself, there are a lot more important things in life then just staying alive, like learning to live peacefully with others. 

I am having a hard time keeping my train of thought this morning, the flyers are doing a number on me.  Hope my point isn't to incoherent.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

11 (edited by lyra 2006-06-03 10:04:57)

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Capitan wrote:

Lyra, I watched the whole last season on DVD and after a while of trying to make up explainations of how he does the stuff you see on the show it gets to the point were the only reasonable answer is that there is in fact some sort of reality manipulation occuring.

See to me, that's not a reasonable explanation, only because we were able to immediately see how he did the two tricks that were posted in this thread.  My line of thought is that if you can immediately see how the two tricks in this thread were pulled off, then what does that say about aaalllllll the other ones he's done?  It means there would be explanations for those as well.  We the viewer may not be able to figure out *how* the tricks are pulled off, because we're not magicians ourselves with the inside know, BUT, it doesn't mean there are aren't explanations.   I'm sure other magicians out there would be able to figure out his schtick in about 5 seconds. 

It just makes me frustrated to see people being tricked and deceived in this world.  I don't know why, it just does.  It's been my "theme of the week" you could say!  smile  And this thread is one more extension of my week's theme.   (I've been getting back into heavily researching the subject of mind control this week, and everything that's related to it, and the amount of trickery and deception going on in our reality......so many people are fooled, so many people don't have an inkling into what's really going on in this world and how things are really run.......so many people are so naive, and so trusting......they just don't know.........and even the people who should know can also get taken for rides!!!!)   

So when I can clearly see what's at work behind the two tricks being posted in this thread only to read posts that are declaring this guy an "initiate" and that he's utilizing the "occult" and "reality manipulation"....when there was a trapdoor underneath that woman who "disappeared", and you can SEE her moving downward......then it just gets frustrating.   Yes, he looks all ooogedy booogedy spooky Goth.....but that doesn't mean he's using the occult, or is an initiate.  That's just his look.   If he cleaned up and looked all polished corporate, with his hair short and groomed and parted on the side, wearing business clothes and shined shoes, and then changed his ooogedy booogedy Goth name from "Criss Angel" to Fred Smith, would people still feel that he's an initiate of the occult, manipulating the laws of reality?   Probably not.   But do you see how just his "look" and his Goth name have already helped influence the way people view him??  It's just too easy.   

That's just my 2 cents.  I hate to burst people's bubbles, but, people being naive and trusting, easily deceived just frustrates me.  Down with liars who deceive people!!!  boo!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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12 (edited by Capitan 2006-06-03 13:06:34)

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To try to rationaly explain the levitation trick there are some major problems with him standing on something.  For one what is this thing supported by.  For the platform to be suspended by something there would have to be some sort of structure higher then the person suspended in to opposite from which he is suspended.  Plus to match the motion of criss which was fluid you would need a high strength low elasticity cable that also happened to be virtually invisible.  There is no such material that we know of.  If what he is on is suspended horizontally, like a bridge between both buildings you have another problem.  What is holding it up?  If nothing then the high strength see non visible materials required for this particular feet do not exist.  The last method of suspending an invisible platform below his feet would be from the bottom, like a see through pole with a platform on top.  This pole would need to be two stories tall have properties that rendered it invisble in daylight and would need to be moved and balanced with criss on top of it.  Considering a material with those properties and the required compression strength as well as nothing below that is moving and holding up this pole, I don't see how this explaination is physically possible. 

One way or the other Criss is capable of these things, or in contact with people who have materials that we don't know exists.   It seems like conclusions were made one way too quickly to exclude the existence of a bias one way.  I would be happy to hear a fesible explaination of these tricks but a simple unbased dismissal will not change my opinion.

I too believe that people have been decieved a lot in this world.  I however don't believe that these tricks are deceptions, but are rather exposing the deception that is what we were taught can and can't happen.

Heres a couple others I cant explain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekj0LkSo … ss%20angel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4af84Dvb … ss%20angel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdeCu_7O … ss%20angel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1s_EgQg … ss%20angel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU8UlyOL … ss%20angel

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

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Capitan wrote:

To try to rationaly explain the levitation trick there are some major problems with him standing on something.  For one what is this thing supported by.  For the platform to be suspended by something there would have to be some sort of structure higher then the person suspended in to opposite from which he is suspended.

....or it can be on the ground below him.  wink  Why would it have to be a structure higher than him? 

Also, the way the people were responding in the video was just bad acting.   They're all in on the illusion, you can totally tell. 



Capitan wrote:

Plus to match the motion of criss which was fluid you would need a high strength low elasticity cable that also happened to be virtually invisible.

For starters, he wasn't fluid.  He was standing quite stiff, his feet lying flat, instead of hanging downwards as they should have, based on gravity and the way it should be if one were *truly* suspended in mid-air, hanging there, free flying.

And a virtually invisible cable would be no problem either.  Not sure why that's so hard to imagine.


Capitan wrote:

There is no such material that we know of.

That you know of.  But it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.





Capitan wrote:

I would be happy to hear a fesible explaination of these tricks....

But I gave you one, several times, regarding the woman who "disappeared", but you've side stepped it. You want this to be real I guess, but it's not.


Capitan wrote:

It seems like conclusions were made one way too quickly to exclude the existence of a bias one way.

Too quickly?   Again, you haven't acknowledged what was said earlier about seeing downward movement through the sheet, indicating the woman dropped down through a trap door.  AND the way that the cameraman made sure not to show her face as Criss "kissed her goodbye".....because she was already gone. 

And there was some sort of invisible something that Criss was standing on that moved him from one building to the next.  Why is that so hard to accept?  And his flat feet, stiff posture, and bad acting on the part of the people watching it are all dead giveaways that he wasn't really flying. 

If people want to be duped then oh well, nothing I can do about it at this point.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Noble Realms is a congregation for open minded people.  Most of the people here read, saw, heard something that defies common knowlege and came to a similar conclusion that reality is not how it has been presented to us.  I see this magic as something defies common understanding and wanted to see what others here thought.

It should not be my purpose to try and convince anyone of the authenticity of these illusions, afterall Criss himself calls them illusions.   

Here is an illusion where criss claims to walk through a glass window.  I am unable to come up with an explaination for how he pulls it off.  Perhaps you have an idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekj0LkSo … ss%20angel

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

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"I don't think TPTB would allow the fake reality that they have taught us about our whole lives to be challenged. "

ummm, its already being challenged, if you havent noticed.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'