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Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

You crate your own reality is possible only if there is a reality per person. Or that the reality that you live in is not the same for all.

If there is one reality then you alone can only influence it to a certain degree but the laws effect it as well. Meaning that you can only shift it ever so much. If, however, there are many realities and they encompass each other then it is not the reality that is changing, you are, by changing a reality you literally create the reality, in that you move from your present dimension to another dimension that is ever so slightly different in a way of your choosing. So there is only one you but as there is no "time" as such there is only one you and you choose from what reality to go to.

That ofcourse rests on there being many realities instead of one reality. To quote the matrix. "Do not try to bend to spoon for that is impossible, only try to realise that truth, that there is no spoon and it is you who is changing". So realising that there is nothing you can do to force this reality to change but you can move yourself to another reality, the world dosnt move when you walk you walk around the world but do you not choose where you walk to. So you can create your reality in that you MOVE to a reality that you choose, not the other way around. The internal creates the external. You create where you go.

That is the way i see creating your reality as being possible. You shift your vibration ever so slightly so that you practically MOVE to another reality and so, you created yourself into a reality that already exists. "Your problem is choice" (also matrix). Actually, i talk of this quite a bit in the book i posted here incase someone wants to read it.

The reason it is so difficult to choose our reality so that our mind can understand it is our fragmented self, the choice you desire for most is what is choosen, even if your concious fragment dosnt want it. So the key is to integrate other parts of your fragmented self, to get a singular desire. That ofcourse is only useful if you wish to be a powerful creation machine. If however you wish to experience live than being fragmented is the only choice. Big bang is evidence of this. Fragmention creates existance and unification creates control. So if you have 100 different opinions that all have the "energy weight" of 1 and 51 wish for you to die and 49 wish for you to live then you shall die. But most often your concious mind has one of the highest weights, then there are the different urges, subconcious, fears and so on. Once you begin to unify these you can use more energy on a shorter time.

If you have 10EnergyPoint generation per hour per fragment and you only control one fragment then you require 10 hours to generate 100 EP's. Once you unify 2 parts, in that you move your sense of self from encompassing only 1 part to encompassing 2 parts your energy production, increases. The real energy production stays the same but you can align the existing energy production to go through a more easily defined direction. So the key is not in gaining more power through the external, but in aligning more of your own power to a singular purpose and thus applying the immense amount of energy you have inside you to a purpose. Even science has said that matter = energy. Think of how much energy you have inside of you if you manage to align even a small piece of that energy. The human mind is the engine of creation in that it has all the power in the universe, the mustard seed moves the mountains and all. But for the very sake of experience that power is fragmented or we would not be able to fight against something, if you have to hold yourself back in an experience so you dont struggle too hard then you will constantly remove yourself from that experience. But if we create the obstacle that stops us from using our power then the experience that by our true selfs would be considered "meager" now is very great.

So yes, we can choose our reality, but we have to open our own reality restrictions to do so. And the only way to do that is to be truly bored of this world and seek something else as all experience that invokes the urge to get away from here is an experience that locks us even deeper into this reality as it is, in the end, entertaining. So it is incredibly hard to completely get away from this reality. But to move inside this reality to another reality is a completely different question and it only requires energy and effort.

Thats my 2cents atleast.

32 Reply by tenetnosce (edited by tenetnosce 2006-05-25 11:42:46)

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Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

Risen wrote:

I guess it all depends how you define reality for yourself.

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

What is reality?

Risen wrote:

The only reality for me is my instance, my perceptions.

Morpheus wrote:

If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.

This is one interpretation of reality, among many others.  The question is, which interpretation to choose?  An even more fundamental question is whether to choose any of them, to choose all of them, or to just make up your own!

A historical analysis reveals several school of philosophy that approach the question from a different angle.  Some of these schools were popular in their day, and have since fallen into disfavor.  Others have slowly, but progressively gathered prominence over a long number of years.  A few of them have been undergoing a resurrection in recent history.  Countless others never made it somebody's living room. 

Here are a few of the more well-known points of view:

The Pythagorean School says that mathematics and geometry consitute the prime reality.

The Eleatic Sect would contend that eternality is the fundamental reality.

The Socratic Sect might look to wisdom and virtue as the source of what is real.

A Cynic would maintain that the individual self is the only true reality, while an Academic would argue that reality is found in the unity of all things.

A Hedonist view says that pleasure is the basic goal of life, contrasting the Stoic which declares that suffering serves the higher good.

. . . and of course, the Skeptic still doesn't know. big_smile

On top of all of the various fundamental philosophies exist many levels of religious overlay.  Christianity.  Islam.  Buddhism.  Amongst a hundred others, and all of their thousands of various sects.

Then you've got all the mental positions of modern philosophy.

Humanism.  Rationalism.  Empiricism.  Moralism.  Idealism.  Phenomenalism.  Behaviorism.  Darwinism.  Transcendentalism.  Pragmatism.  Millenialism.

John Lennon might add Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, and Tagism. big_smile

Which brings us to the subject of the "New Age" movement.  I think that the New Age movement is a valuable development in thought, yet it also carries many drawbacks.

The fundamental problem with New Age philosophy is embedded within its overly eclectic approach.  It's a hodge-podge mosaic of belief systems which skims the surface of everything without investigating any particular thing in depth.  It's fickle, flakey, and fragile.  It lacks roots.  It isn't grounded.  It has no foundation.

It is propagated through bumperstickers and taglines.  It is marketed in metaphysical bookstores and on newage websites.  It is embodied in popularized memes and snappy quips.

You Create Your Own Reality

You  Who are you?  Who am I?  Are we part of something larger?  Is something larger a part of us?

Create Are we creationary beings? Reactionary beings? Some mixture of both?  Can the mixture be changed?  Is it supposed to be changed?  How does this change occur?

Your Own  Do we really own anything?  How do we determine what is mine and what is yours?  What happens when we disagree?

Reality we've already covered a bit.

Risen wrote:

If reality, to you, is this thing we all happen to be sharing at this moment then perhaps you are right.

To me, reality consists of all that is shared and unshared.  It is made up of all that is perceived and that could be perceived.  It encompasses of all the beings that are capable of thought and / or feeling, and all of the past, present, and future relationships between all these beings.

In that sense, I believe that it fantastically egotistical to assert that I create reality.  I can only lay claim to the small sliver of reality that consitutes my experience, and even less if I limit my sense of self to my own conscious awareness.

So I've got this sliver of reality that is created by me.  What does that really mean?  I can scramble up some eggs in a pan and create my own breakfast?  Big whoop.

How about health, wealth, and happiness?  Friendships and partnerships?  Peace?

Are these things created by me, for me, through me, or all of the above?

If YCYOR is truly a sound philosophy, then why do so many of its proponents suffer from severe illnesses, financial losses, and abusive relationships? 

New Age philosophy invokes all sorts of explanations, rationalizations, and justifications, for why it doesn't work.  Past lives.  Soul contracts.  Karmic lessons.  It entrains us to offer pre-packaged soundbytes disguised as reasons:

I killed my brother in a past life, and that's why he's always so hateful toward me.

My girlfriend might be a hopeless alcoholic, but we have agreed to be soulmates in this life.

I had to lose my house (get cancer, go to jail, etc.) so I could learn something about myself.

There's a glaring contradiction here.  New Age philosophy says that we create our own reality, but then explains away all of the obviously undesireable results with a handful of statements which are essentially disempowering.

The astonishing thing is the degree to which people buy it.

We buy books and tapes.  We attend lectures and seminars.  We get our tarot cards and our horoscopes read. 

Oh yes, there's big money in reality creation, and billions of dollars are created right out of people's pockets every year in the hopes that we can pick up some new tip or technique to create the reality we really want only to be disappointed with our results again and again.

We are heavily encouraged to seek the latest, greatest, and most expensive, reason why we have yet to create the reality we want, but very rarely do we come across a simple, sustainable, and untrademarked solution to the problem.

Maybe the problem isn't in the technique, but in the premise upon which the technique is founded.

Maybe the vast majority of reality is created for me by a grand benevolent being that takes interest in my personal growth and wellness.  If that's the case, then I would do better to spend less time imposing my own will upon the world around me and more time aligning my will with that greater being.

Maybe a smaller, but personally significant, portion of reality is created through me as a result of social training, cultural habits, and manipulations (both benevolent and malevolent) by other beings.  In that case, then I need to also focus on developing personal boundaries, and discernment of hidden agendas.

Maybe only a tiny portion of reality is created by me.  Though quite insignificant from a macrocosmic view, it is nevertheless important as it comprises my day to day life.  So it would behoove me to understand how to manifest my intention through thought, word, and deed.

I think a balanced perspective encompasses all of these views.  It's good to develop a personal philosophy, or a way of life.  It's also important to be aware of those forces in reality that are working against that way of life.  Finally, it's critical to develop a relationship with a higher power, that can assist in the transmutation of the negative to the positive. 

Risen wrote:

But thinking back to when I was making video games, you have the "world" where all the game pieces live, but then each piece has its own "world" too, in which it moves freely and independent of others, and independent of the rest of the world.

Yes, and let's not forget the world of the person who programmed the character, the world of the person running the program of the character, the world of the person writing about the game player running the program of the character, and the world of the person reading the writing about the game player running the program of the character. big_smile

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33 Reply by Pictus (edited by Pictus 2006-05-24 14:55:31)

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Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

Hkelukka wrote:

So yes, we can choose our reality, but we have to open our own reality restrictions to do so. And the only way to do that is to be truly bored of this world and seek something else as all experience that invokes the urge to get away from here is an experience that locks us even deeper into this reality as it is, in the end, entertaining.

Bored is my name... tongue
I can not be more bored than my current level… bah!
It comes from too much ideas and too little “money"  to execute, but
mainly because I an not connected to higher realms/self/creator…

The material part need some “money"  and the spiritual part
need some connection.

To be bored is not a requisite or a “spice"  it is lack…

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Ahh, but to say you cant be more bored is to express boredom, which is also an emotion and through that, express existance in this level. It is very hard to put into words what i mean, i've written 32thousand words on the topic and i've yet to express it half decently. But i'll try.

You are unable to bring your ability to shift between realities to your conciousness as your conciousness encompassess too small a piece of your total existance. We all shift realities at all times but to do that in a controlled and tangible way requires your mind to be aware of this and to have the "money" (spiritual energy) that conforms to your mind so you can do it.

You have many fragments of your personality in your mind that at some times want something so they reach to your internal energy deposits and bring out enough energy to create that, most of the time this is unconcious. It is such basic things as meeting people in strange co-incidences to getting food and not noticing it. You have a very high amount of energy but you limit the use of that energy by the area of yourself that you encompass. So you cant get more spiritual money, but you can have a larger area of yourself aligned with your will and thus have a larger pile of money, while you dont increase the overall amount of money, you, in essence, bring more of the money to the table.

The amount of money you have ultimately, your concious and your unconcious areas is growing slowly as you gain experiences but it is always far far larger than is needed to destroy or create the whole universe should you so desire.

By expressing a boredom with this world you are expressing both the desire to want out as this place no longer entertains you, but you are also expressing that this place is giving you something, and that is the sensation of boredom. So while you are here you are still recieving something from this world that you require. On a practical level this means that you are still alive and thus are not willing to risk death. When you are truly ready to leave you will risk death only to not die. And no, this dosnt mean that one should jump from a building, but it means to be hoenst with yourself. Once you are truly bored with this world then you will no longer be in this world. It is that simple. So you need to find what it is that is keeping you in this world and evaluate if it is worth of being in this world for. And be ready to work towards getting out of this world. If you only sit on your butt then sitting on your butt gives you more pleasure than leaving this world and thus you will never manage to leave

All this is useful only iff aplied, you can and do enlarge the amount of spiritual money you have by ponderings such as these, but only if applied through, for example, meditation. Will the money be used on something. It is quicker to gain money by pondering about it than it is to meditate but meditation is still required.

So you can spend your entire life gaining energy and still go nowhere as the integration of parts only reduces the amount of time required to influence the world, it does not remove the time required. So if you wish out then sit somewhere and focus on a specific world you wish to go to or some parameters of the world you wish to go to. For example. "I wish to go to a reality that is exactly the same as this reality but i win the lottery" and sit and do that for a hour a day and i guarantee that something will eventually happen if the part that you have aligned with your will is even marginally stronger than the part that is not aligned. If your will is divided the reason nothing happens is that 1 part wishes for something and another part wishes something else. Thus you need an certain amount of wish directed at something, and there are 2 ways to do that. 1 is to meditate for a long time. and another is to increase your understanding and algin different parts of your psyche with your will and your will with what you desire and then meditate for a shorter time. Meditation in this means anything that you desire to apply your will to. Desiring to move your hand dosnt move your hand. Moving your hand moves your hand.

I belive you are connected as you are the creator, as you are an aspect of your creator. So connect not to the creator, realise that you are already connected to the creator as you ar a part of the creator and then slowly align that creator with your present will and do magic.

Best wishes.

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Hkelukka -

you expressed some really interesting ideas. i have a similar feeling about some of what you said - i'll try to express it:

the world is a living intelligent thing - and as individuals we interract with that - the part that you expressed that stood out for me was that the more 'integrated you are' - the easier things happen for you - or at least that's what i got -- i have a feeling that's true - that's been the experience of my life for years - things happen sometimes that you can't explain and it "just works out" in such a crazy way that you would never think ...

it's the integration part that's interesting though ... Pictus - if you're 'bored'  - it's there for a reason - that feeling/thought/whatever you want to call it ... when it's there, stay with it - that might be the only way to really get past it --- that's been my experience ...

but it's kind of tricky ... when it comes up - boredom - and you name it - you're recognizing it - it becomes part of thought the moment you name it - it gathers strength/continuity ....

try to stay with it without naming it - completely without moving away from it ...

my 2 cents

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tenetnosce wrote:

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

What is reality?

Shit, man!  That post seemed to be about 1 step away from being a NR article.  Maybe even a series!  I'm not talking strictly about length, but you hit on a *lot* of stuff there o_0

I can't possibly reply to all of it in my current state, sleepy, head nodding over and all.  But I'll try to hit on a few of those things...

Risen wrote:

The only reality for me is my instance, my perceptions.

Morpheus wrote:

If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.

This is one interpretation of reality, among many others.  The question is, which interpretation to choose?  An even more fundamental question is whether to choose any of them, to choose all of them, or to just make up your own!

See, what Morph says there might sound like I'm disagreeing with him.  But I'm not - what I'm calling my instance and my perceptions isn't just the 5 senses, although that is a part of it.  My instance of reality just pertains to my experiences, emotions, instincts, intuition, etc.

A Cynic would maintain that the individual self is the only true reality, while an Academic would argue that reality is found in the unity of all things.

I suppose my take is some combination of these, as impossible as that might sound.  I try to experience through the individual self, while still feeling the unity.  However lately I've become unsure whether everything is truly united - I think not, now.  Good vs Evil, it's hard to see them as being united, except in that they both exist.  But the unity ends there.

I'm getting too tired to post now, but let me make another quick comment and maybe I'll post again tomorrow.  You are correct that there are some major issues with these new-age ways of thinking.  Infact the list of crap has grown so huge I'm not sure it can even be all called newage anymore.  And in the end most of it seems to be the same double-talk and dogma that's been passed off as religion from the very beginnings.

I personally can't accept even things that some of you guys seem open to, such as channeling and invocations.  Some of you seem fine with these, yet I can't put my head around the "why" because it all seems too paper-thin for such a thinktank to be open to.  Channeling seems to me no more useful than any other person who I meet on the street saying "gawd" has spoken to him and he has a message for me.  Invocations seem to me nothing more than the latest round of witchcraft or exorcism.

Round and round we go... Can we get off before the ride kills us all!?

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
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37 Reply by Pictus (edited by Pictus 2006-05-25 10:20:31)

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Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

Hkelukka, written foreign language even makes things worse… eheheheh
Perhaps I got your point, but I will try to explain what I mean by connected.

Maybe connect in a more direct way, feeling the true love, peace, happiness
an ecstasy, it is something fantastic I experienced a few times and one time
was more subtle but was affecting everybody(not just me) and was a whole full
day, absolute fantastic, no drugs it just happened.
If we where connect this way, Earth would be a heaven paradize and not a “lizie hellish looshe farm".

Oceanchild, to “fight"  anything that is not good I use to remember that
special day, I try to “sample"  that energy.

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38 Reply by tenetnosce (edited by tenetnosce 2006-05-25 13:21:46)

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Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

Risen wrote:

Shit, man!  That post seemed to be about 1 step away from being a NR article.  Maybe even a series!  I'm not talking strictly about length, but you hit on a *lot* of stuff there o_0

LOL yeah I've got a few of those 1 step away pieces. . . if I ever get them together it may make an interesting book.

Risen wrote:

See, what Morph says there might sound like I'm disagreeing with him.  But I'm not - what I'm calling my instance and my perceptions isn't just the 5 senses, although that is a part of it.  My instance of reality just pertains to my experiences, emotions, instincts, intuition, etc.

From what I can gather, your "instance of reality" is quite similar to my "sliver of reality", in which case I think we agree upon the level of self-determination that is available to us in that area.

But where do you draw the line?  My "sliver" meets your "instance" here in this thread.  The overlap is objectified by our posts, but what about everybody else reading the posts, and even the site itself?  Where do those realities end, and where do others begin? 

See I can make comments and express my opinions, but how much of that really originated with me?  How much of it came from books or discussions I have had?  How much of it has been programmed within me?  I don't really know. 

That's where the lines get blurred for me.  Let's say you and I share the common belief that "Everything is Connected."  So is that like I have a file saved on my hard drive with that information, and you have a copy of an identical file?  Or is it like the file is posted on a network drive that we share? 

How do I determine which thoughts are truly my own?  Are any of them my own?  I am inclined to say no.  Most likely I have never had an original thought in my life.  So in that sense, if we are considering "creation" as the utilization of thought-word-deed to make something original, I haven't really created anything.  I've only replicated that which has already been created.

We all go through life having a sequence of experiences.  Though they superficially appear to be unique, they are not.  Blah, blah, blah happened to me.  Dippety-doo happened to you.  But the experience for both of us was one of "sadness" or "happiness" or whatever.  Is there really "my" happiness and "your" happiness, or is happiness itself a state of being that we both share and participate in? 

I think where individuality comes in is with the sequence.  My sequence might be happy, sad, angry, indifferent.  Yours might be indifferent, angry, sad, happy.  Obviously, it's much more complex than that and warrants a thread of it's own,  so I'll leave it at that for now.

Risen wrote:
tenetnosce wrote:

A Cynic would maintain that the individual self is the only true reality, while an Academic would argue that reality is found in the unity of all things.

I suppose my take is some combination of these, as impossible as that might sound.  I try to experience through the individual self, while still feeling the unity.  However lately I've become unsure whether everything is truly united - I think not, now.  Good vs Evil, it's hard to see them as being united, except in that they both exist.  But the unity ends there.

I would define "Good" as the fundamental process which propagates life, and "Evil" as a secondary meta-process which feeds off of the first.

They are certainly connected, but as you mentioned, they are not unified.

Evil is like a cosmic "tax-man" that capitalizes upon the work/experiences of other beings rather than working for itself.  Evil seeks to manipulate others into taking action upon it's behalf.  Hence, the manipulated being incurs the karmic debt of the actions involved, and the manipulator reaps the benefit in the form of a "loosh-tax".

"Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do."

When 3D people take acts that cause suffering in the world, very rarely is it with the specific intent of causing suffering.  The suffering was an unforseen by-product that was engineered by evil 5D beings so that they could feed from it.

This is precisely where I think YCYOR breaks down.  YCYOR is not compatible with the creation of suffering. 

According to newagery, when suffering happens it is because we have a karmic liability that needs to be paid off.  A lot of the time the liability is called a "lesson".

So we work and work and work to pay off our liability. . and yes, we can even turn small chunks of it around to the positive, but just like the national debt, the liability is growing faster than we are.  The completion of one lesson is met with a hundred more. 

When does it end?  When does the suffering stop?  Under this model, never.  So do we just throw up our hands and say, "Well that's just the way it is!"  It certainly seems like that's what the tax-man would want us to do.

I believe there is another way.  In fact, I believe there are three other ways.

But first we need to look at the misconception.  The misconception, or the "Great Lie" is that we came here with a liability that needs to be repaid through suffering. 

Call it "Original Sin", or karma, or genetic inheritance.  It doesn't matter what you call it.  The point is that there is some flaw which needs to be overcome.

What I am suggesting is that the debt is incurred through suffering, and not the other way around.

Just like in the "real world", when you incur a debt, you are not really borrowing money from the bank, you are lending your credit to the bank.  Your credit is listed as an asset in the bank's accounting books.  All of the papers you sign are designed to make it appear the other way, but that's not what is really happening.

The bank, in collusion with the Federal Reserve then issues you currency against your credit, and then the IRS collects taxes against your use of the same currency.  These three private entities work together with the Government (a public entity) to manipulate market conditions to ensure that inflation occurs.  If inflation does not occur, the whole house of cards comes falling down.  Important to remember in coming times.

But anyway, back to the loosh farm.

When we suffer, we are lending our energy as "loosh" to the negs.  We do not owe anything.  They owe us.

OK now I gotta run. . . more later!

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tenetnosce wrote:

See I can make comments and express my opinions, but how much of that really originated with me?  How much of it came from books or discussions I have had?  How much of it has been programmed within me?  I don't really know. 
...
How do I determine which thoughts are truly my own?  Are any of them my own?  I am inclined to say no.  Most likely I have never had an original thought in my life.  So in that sense, if we are considering "creation" as the utilization of thought-word-deed to make something original, I haven't really created anything.  I've only replicated that which has already been created.

If we assume for a minute that reality is timeless, along the lines of what Icke says, and there is no past or future but only the "now", then it's possible that nothing can be thought or learned because everything is "now", simultaneous.  So in that case nothing would be original?  Seems weird, taking time out of the equation, but it does simplify things in this way doesnt it!?

That's where the lines get blurred for me.  Let's say you and I share the common belief that "Everything is Connected."  So is that like I have a file saved on my hard drive with that information, and you have a copy of an identical file?  Or is it like the file is posted on a network drive that we share?

I don't know if I can compare a belief to a file.  Maybe more of a signal.  There's this signal out there, and you and I lock onto it like listening to a radio station.  We "subscribe" to this signal and therefore endorse it, thus possibly increasing the probable amount of others who will lock on.  Each of us may interpret the signal a bit differently, of course.  But we're locked onto the same basic carrier frequency, plus or minus a nudge.  Or, I could be talking out my ass here wink

Is there really "my" happiness and "your" happiness, or is happiness itself a state of being that we both share and participate in?

I think this can also be explained with the "signal" analogy above.  But you know, reminds me of something else I thought before, along similar lines:  I have a friend who is blue/green colorblind.  He can't see green, or it looks blue to him.  So, obviously he and I do not see the same green.  And further, I've often wondered if his entire color spectrum is shifted because of this.  If you take the green element out of any RGB value, you clearly don't have the same color.  So when I look at teal, and he looks at teal, are we seeing the same teal?  I can't see how that could be.

According to newagery, when suffering happens it is because we have a karmic liability that needs to be paid off.  A lot of the time the liability is called a "lesson".

I'm not much on some of the "newagery".  But I think Karma or something along those lines probably exists.  Mainly that once you start something into motion, it tends to stay in motion unless acted on blahblah... I do not think it's an endless loop though.  I believe each series has a starting and ending point.  Obviously there are people suffering in ways they do not deserve.  So maybe if you cause someone to suffer, you begin a chain of events - for them, and for yourself.  As montalk says "you control your response, and therein lies your freedom" - so the one you caused suffering has a choice of response.  They can end the chain right there for themselves, or let it continue.  You caused them suffering so already chose your response there.  But it begins the chain urge to do it again.  And now you have the opportunity to control your response again.  (again, potentially talking out my ass)

I believe there is another way.  In fact, I believe there are three other ways.

I'm listening eagerly!

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
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40 Reply by z3n3rg (edited by z3n3rg 2006-11-09 20:33:55)

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Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

Montalk pulled a head fake on me.  big_smile

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41 Reply by tenetnosce (edited by tenetnosce 2006-11-10 02:39:48)

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Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

Risen wrote:
tenetnosce wrote:

I believe there is another way.  In fact, I believe there are three other ways.

I'm listening eagerly!

Wow. . I had forgotten about this thread.  Sorry to leave anybody hanging! big_smile

OK, so I was talking about three alternatives to burning karma, learning lessons, etc. 

Paying off one's karmic liability constitutes redemption.  Redemption occurs when you break a contract, or agreement, and you make up for it through some performance, or action, that the damaged party accepts as redress.

Another way to deal with a contract default is to forgive the transgression.  With forgiveness, the damaged party says, yes, you broke your word, but I am going to let it pass.  Turn the other cheek.  Bear in mind that you can also forgive yourself for agreements you have broken with you.

A faster way to resolve karma is through acceptance.  With acceptance, you take full ownership of the contract, agreement, lesson, or whatever.  You reverse the polarity of the contract, and accept your past performance, or another's performance, as satisfying the terms of the contract.  It is done. 

The superhighway to karmic liberation is pardon.  However, granting of pardon is only available to one who has acknowledged sovereignty.  Once you become sovereign, the ruler of your own world (though not necessarily its Creator), you can pardon all contracts, agreements, and debts incurred at any time past, present, or future.  As if it never happened.

And now. . back to your regularly scheduled programming. big_smile

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.
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Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

Great discussion, guys. 

A thought that I had while reading through this that I felt I should share. 

Concensus reality was mentioned above.  I loved that, given that it is the phrase that I use to describe our 3d earth experience as well.

The thought that I had was that all of the information, misinformation, disinformation, New Age, anti-New Age, etc, stuff creates a greater potential for "3d visual effects" as Concensus reality becomes shaken by the greater variety of concepts that are moving around the world.  Pedophile priests and pastors, once a concept  that would be kept in the closet and well hidden are now strewn around the world.  The sheep who followed these child molesting "shepards" will be disillusioned and look elsewhere for spiritual fulfillment.  More breakup of the Concensus. More potential for 3d malleability.


Another thought that I had while writing this.  Information.   In formation.  I'll leave you all to contemplate that while I go have some food and do the same.

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43 Reply by Athenais

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Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

Hi Celephais (btw, I believe I know you from another forum *waves*)

Celephais wrote:

Another thought that I had while writing this.  Information.   In formation.  I'll leave you all to contemplate that while I go have some food and do the same.

Wow....I never noticed that before.  Very similar to "transformation" (trance formation).

This is a bit random, but I just noticed lately, Kohls has this for their advertising slogan:

Transformation Nation

For those of you not in the US, Kohls is a major dept. store chain here. 

Seems to me that the goal of the power brokers is to keep us locked into a consensus reality, locked into a tranced-out, dissociated, shared reality.  Locked In Formation.  So for me, YCYOR is a pretty radical idea in that face of that.

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Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

YCYOR is a pretty radical idea in the face of a concensus reality that wants to retain its identity.  I subscribe a bit to the external being a reflection of the internal. I see concensus reality as the macrocosm of the human ego that doesn't want to lose its identity as "something" seperate from "Source".

But there are other "radical" ideas out there. Some of the ideas put forth by quantum physicists are radical, especially to "mainstream" science. Some of the intuitive extrapolations of quantum theories put forth by various mystics, gurus, or everyday well read people ( myself included among these btw) are pretty radical, especially to some of the quantum physicists. Aliens, reptilians, hyper-dimensional entities, Ascension... all radical ideas to the majority of the world's people, who are the ones that dictate what "rules" concensus reality operates under.

So by way of qualifying that last statement, at least as far as my own opinion is concerned, I will ask and answer a question.  Is any of it, the conspiracies, the aliens, the reptilians, concensus reality, etc, "real"?  IMO, no.  None of it is "real". Concensus reality = 3rd Dimension.  3D Earth is the "default" environment we all exist in.  If we believe something contrary to concensus reality, we create a "ripple" in the concensus.  If we believe something strongly enough, we might even manage to alter a certain area around us, or the random noun our attention is on, to become "our" reality, rather than concensus reality, IF there isn't  significantly more attention on that random noun from the concensus keeping it locked in "concensus mode".

Now what I've put out there is basicly saying that your beliefs, ideas, intuitions, etc are bullshit. It's ok, so are mine. I'm just taking an opportunity to share my bullshit with the rest of you.  Its ok, IMO, for us to share our bullshit, and perhaps even convince others that our bullshit is real. Because it breaks down the concensus.  Go ahead and believe in YCYOR. Or don't.  Believe in aliens, reptilians, higher dimensions, higher selves.  Or don't.  Believe quantum physics is the science that will explain spirituality. Or don't. Every radical idea that deviates from the concensus weakens the concensus and allows us to change "reality" into something else.  Just be careful what you change it into wink

Oh and since we were playing the word game a bit ago.... Coincidence.  Co-incidents

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Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

tenetosce wrote:

For "true" YCYOR, I think we need to look to 10D, which is frankly quite outside my perception.  What I can say is this involves complete awareness, or omniscience.  Only from that level of awareness could one claim full responsibility for reality creation on all levels.

Hey tenetosce, any chance you could expand on that 10D concept as it seems to fit outside the traditional octave of densities as described by the sources that first made the idea available.  I think I may understand what you mean by 10D but it's probably slightly different.  I see the number 10 as a completion of the original cycle of 1 and 0 after going through the illusion of the numbers of 2-9 that lay between the original 1 and the resulting 10 at the end.  10 is simply a 1 and 0 and 1+0=1.  Are you saying that the manifested 1 as 10 is the "true" creator because of its inherent containment of all the illusory single digit numbers between 1 and 10?

It also doesn't account for why there are so many "teachers" here in comparison to "students",

z3n3rg wrote:

I don't see this as being accurate.  There are a billion muslims.  There are a billion catholics.  80-90% of Americans subscribe to some christian religion.  Don't know how many christians total worldwide not including catholics.  Then you have Judiasm.  Compare that to a few million wanderers.  If there were so many teachers then we would all live in 3d bliss.  It's the followers that are the reason we can't do much of anything in 3d.  They are still following the false teachings and their reality is too powerful (at the moment) for us to penetrate with any visual effects.

If you think in terms of the duality of teacher/learner or learner/teacher, the first being the active expression of teaching with passive learning and the second being the active expression of learning with passive teaching, then we are all teachers and learners, but some more than others in each case.  The "wanderers" in this realm become teachers to those with less awareness that are receptive, yet the billions of sleeping people serve as teachers for the wanderers who must be actively learning as much as possible to fully "remember" for waking up.  I think you're both right, he he.


Celephais wrote:

Every radical idea that deviates from the concensus weakens the concensus and allows us to change "reality" into something else.  Just be careful what you change it into

Indeed!


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Something to keep in mind when contemplating the YCYOR paradigm is that our personal creational ability is directly proportionally related to our free will, and our free will only increases as our awareness does (thanks to Montalk for that nugget).  The ultimate awareness attainable (IMO) is full realization of the One.  It isn't possible to achieve full realization in this realm, but it is definately possible to start that momentum going that will lead to ever-increasing awareness of self and other self, inner and outer, and all dualities as the One experiencing itself.  If we understand that we are the One experiencing seperation (within the underlying unity) at this level then we truly have created, are creating, and will create our reality. With increasing crystallization of this realization of oneness comes the ability to shed victim consciousness and truly regain our ability to alter our individual slice of the creation pie. The question is how do we want to express our creational ability in relation to the poles of STS and STO.  If we stand choiceless we will constantly experience catalyst on both ends that shoves the choice down our throats until we commit.

There is a negative reality but it is only a symbolic negative archetypal expression of the 0 in relation to the 1.  You and I (as the One) created it by having cosmic intercourse with the 0 and have the ability to choose how we raise our child (the creation, the manifested one, the little i becoming the big I) which bears our likeness.  We can give up on our evolution of awareness and continually experience the same crap and become self-described victims, or we can make the choice to take the ascending path and gather back our fragments and piece them together One by One.

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On a personal note, I've noticed that my ability to alter my own reality is increasing dramatically as of late, especially at work.  This seems to be related to my nearing constant contemplation of oneness and my part played within it.  I work for 12 hours at time, for 3 straight days a week.  This is a physical labour job that leaves me a lot of time to think and observe myself and others, so I have much opportunity of this oneness contemplation.  My intentions are being met with little effort and I seem to be setting up the most ideal conditions possible within a crappy environment such as my work is.  I don't mean to sound egotistical, but I am pretty sure I am the most aware person working there based on observation and discussions with co-workers, as I usually am in most settings except a place like Noble Realms where the most aware of the aware have congregated, quite nicely I might add.  This personal awareness level seems to override the free will of my co-workers without infringing on theirs' (as I have explicitly stipulated in my intentions/meditations).  We are assigned to different machines every day and I seem to be influencing my foreman to only place me with people I like/get along with and on machines that run all day instead of ones that stop and force me to grab a broom or pretend to look busy (worst part of non-continuous work).  I've noticed people doing things to help me out at the exact moment that I project the idea of my needing their help.  I get dismissed for smoke breaks at the same time as people I enjoy talking to.  These are just some examples of my seemingly increased influence on those with lower awareness and thus lower free will.

Something peculiar has happened though.  A woman that I started with who I was getting to be good friends with and who was one of the most conscious people there got in a fight with one of the operators and just walked out.  I didn't see her that day (though I usually saw her at least once in the morning for a smoke) and never got to say goodbye. Yesterday this guy that I had recently befriended who was another of the conscious people there and is a really nice and helpful guy was fired for still as of yet unknown circumstances.  Once again I never saw him that day and never got to say goodbye.  No chance to get a phone number or address to keep in touch.

I have commited to a personal mission of helping as many people as I can wake up while I am working there and anywhere for that matter.  I have basically narrowed down the people who are resonant and on what levels they require information of various types, whether it's conspiracy, matrix, spiritual, etc.  I've been thinking that perhaps negative hyperdimensional forces have been able to set up scenarios in which these people are methodically eliminated so that I am denied my chance to help them help themselves to wake up.  It's like they know that they can't eliminate me from that job and resulting influence over co-workers because of my particular level of free will and determination to keep on the path of serving others (in the ways that I'm able to), so they eliminate those who I have sought out (and vice-versa) to temporarily negate the potential waking of those who seek to awaken.  Once again, it may sound egotistical, but what are the chances that 2 out of about 5 or 6 people that are relatively conscious and awake that I had been attempting to help would quit or be fired within a short time period, while those I have no resonance with are left unaffected and even used as unwitting pawns in the prevention of my alarm clock like actions.  Another example is that the most aware of them all works on another shift and thus I'm unable to communicate with on a long term basis as I work when he's off and vice versa.  On one hand I am using my will and reality creation abilities to effectively help those who are receptive to the ideas I present, on the other hand there is a force diametrically oppopsed to me doing so and which seems to be finding all the right holes to f*ck my shit up as it were.  Time to get back to the YCYOR drawing board and figure out how to mend those holes before they have a chance to be ripped open and compromise the integrity of the fabric of mututally beneficial awareness increase.