• Registered: 2005-11-01

Re: troubles

Thank you Magical_Mongoose. That is high praise. I hope my opinion will be proven worthy of it.

Tho i am uncertain if i agree with you about the soul being invulnurable. I am not sure if that is so in any sense. I have yet to find a reason why the human soul would be invulnurable. Beyond the occasional occult referances. When i have pondered about it all it does appear to me that a soul, any soul, can be harmed or killed or destroyed. However, can that soul escape that destruction at any point is a interesting question. Because the power of free will ofcourse makes it so that it is theoretically possible to escape from anything right until the moment you actually die. That also, implies that it requires yoru consent on some level for your death to happen. And that is where the splintered soul comes into question, if there is any part of you that is hesitant in wanting to get away, if there is something that has no hesitation in desiring to kill you then you will eventaully be killed.

If you look at it from another point of view ( i talk bout this a bit in the book i posted here). If there was no way one could ever die in the soul level. Then all actions would lose meanings as your existance as such would never be threathened. Sure you could be in the illusion that you can be killed. Now, if there is no way to ever kill a soul then there is no way to ever save a soul either. Sad as it is, humans define ourselfs by the polarity of possibilities, live or die.

So if there then is no death on any level. Then if we are aware of this then surely higher levels are as well. And if there is no death then by extension there can be no harm. All harm and pain you percieve is derived from your body telling you that it is in risk of perishing.  So if there is no harm as all the damage is momentary at best and there is no time then why would some higher force try to help us? Why would someone stop you from exhaling if logically that would be followed by inhaling. Now if you do take into account the possibility of death then it gets all the more interesting. As then harm becomes real and while it is all an illusion, while we are all charachters in some universes computer game and non of us in a concrete sense have ever existed. The only thing that changes is that illusions can die as a part of the illusion.

I see no reason why a god that wants to figure itself out would leave out such an important part as forever losing something. Is that not the most powerful of emotions. To gaze upon a picture of something lost. A memory of what could have been. I fail to understand why a god would block that out simply because death is.. scary?

To me, after all this pondering, there is nothing less annoying than a world with absolutely no possibility of death. So either there has to be the illusion of death, and if there is such and we have already broken it then it is not a very good illusion. And that leads me to believe that the illusion is in there being no death. And the other possiblity is, ofcourse, that there is death. Death simply being the end of this particular existance. My energy will not vanish as it will be consumed by something else but me as a individuated entity will vanish.

If i can never harm and then by extension never cure anything, then all creation is void. If one paints with white alone one will get a blank canvas.

Althou i do belive that there are places where death is not possible. That again depends on the desire you have to live. So by extension it ofcourse requires your will, in a way, to die, but you have a trillion different wills To manipulate or to kill requires the killer to match their will with yours and get you to walk the path they desire. If you hold your own regardless and truly hold to your own path you can never die.

As i said, i have yet to make up my mind about this. So it is very possible there is no death smile

  • Registered: 2006-05-12

Re: troubles

Those are some interesting comments.

I am not sure that I understand them completely, but I will try to respond in depth to them at a latter date, just wanted to let you know that I read them.

searching for freedom
  • From: A place forgotten
  • Registered: 2006-05-15

Re: troubles

Yes, your consent is needed for yourself to perish from this earthly existance, yet it isn't usually made on the consious level (excepting cases of suicide). It's made by yourself prior to your incarnation. You may ask "Why would a person want to go out like that?", but from the perspective we have as spirits in Heaven, death is insignificant. It simply is the finale to that learning experience, so we may be careless in how this grand finale occurs.
You raise an interesting question: If our earthly existance isn't real, then why would higher forces try to help us? Because they know that we consider this existance as entirely real, and are willing to show us the true nature of our reality: That it is an illusion that we have decided to take part in for the sake of learning and experience.
I have come to realize this first-hand by "people" (either spirits from The Other Side or STO aliens) vanishing completely from sight, though it only happens when you're not looking directly at them. Never have I seen a person dissapear while I'm looking at them, but instead you'll see them, go around a some bushes or trees, and when you come to the other side, they're completely gone. They're trying to show you the impermanence of this world and how this world is an illusion, though it is easy for you to be frightened as a result of this.

"Don't eat any wooden nickels."

Magical_Mongoose's Website

  • Registered: 2005-11-01

Re: troubles

There we are in agreeance. That this world is an illusion and that it is a very plain and simple illusion at that. However. Where we differ is about higher levels. It is true that in this level the free will works as you said and as i said. But the question in my mind is why would there possibly be no "final death" can the dead not die too. And i mean really die. If there is no death then in essence we are trapped in a prison that has only one way out. And that is to go back and reach unison with the one.

The way i see it. There has to be the possibility of some kind of final death as well. Simply because i choose for there to be and if there truly is free will then it has to be possible. And if there isnt then free will and by extension, god, is evil as it denies me the right to choose one option because it might harm myself. It is akin to limiting free speech. If someone gets to say to you "that speech is not free because you harm yourself" then there is no free speech. So unless i have the option of deciding to truly die and by extension be in risk in my life then there is no free will.

I was, in the past, very adamant about there being no final death and that all would be well. But as i advanced on my path it began to be clear that while that is very much possible to create. It is an experience that lacks focus. To not ever be afraid of anything. I would certainly try it and use it to relax but its the thrill of existance that keeps us coming back to existance.

Anyway,

Cloudkeen, thank you for letting me know. I look forward to more conversation

  • From: A place forgotten
  • Registered: 2006-05-15

Re: troubles

Definitely, feel what you want to feel. Be yourself. Sometimes fear saves our lives in more ways we can possibly imagine, and for those who enjoy experience in an end in and of itself, the looming nature of possible death is an interesting experience. I think we all seek experiences like skiing, diving, even going joy-riding in your car at high speeds for that very reason. It gives an adrenaline rush, and makes life in a sense, "worth living". But that's my perspective; I'm sure there's many people who cannot leave their houses without fear of death, such as in Israel-Palestine, yet they chose, on either a consious or higher level, to live there for that very reason. The idea that one can be martyred for what they believe in is highly seductive, and that even can apply to even the more obscure circumstances that anyone can relate to.
For example, a 50-year old man going through a mid-life crisis decides to buy a motorcycle, and just loves driving it around for the hell of it. It makes him feel free and liberated, and exactly what he wants to do, despite the fact the looming presence of death that surrounds him . He then gets thrown off a cliff in a horrible freak accident involving a truck spilling its load of bananas on the highway. But he died for what he believed in, and that was the adrenaline rush which is inseperable from the fear of death.
So fear, in conclusion, can be both positive and negative. For some people, it is liberating. For others, it is paralyzing. For most however, it can take the form of irrational fear, such as fear of speaking out, raising a significant question, or even dressing differently.
In direct response to Aki, experience for the sake of experience, while it may provide a temporary sense of joy, is rather purposeless in and of itself. It is not an end, but rather a means to an end, which is spiritual evolution.

"Don't eat any wooden nickels."

Magical_Mongoose's Website

  • Registered: 2006-05-12

Re: troubles

After re-reading both your comments, I find myself at a lack for words.

It seems to me that my concentration and reading comprehension skills are less now (especially from the medicines I take).

I think I get the point about not making statements such as "I'll keep fighting until I die".

One might just bring this upon oneself eventually.  I sort of understand about not giving them (TPTB) ammunition to continue attacking you (and limit your reactions to their attacks).

I do not know what happens after death.  I would hope our soul/spirit goes to a more benevolent place to review its actions in its previous incarnation.  It then would possibly stay in the spirit realm or angel realm until it decides to re-incarnate for more learning or if it has reached a certain level of understanding and experience it might possibly remain in the heavenly spheres.

That's all I can think of for now, Your replies leave me at a loss for words. Sorry I couldn't add more.

searching for freedom
  • Registered: 2005-11-01

Re: troubles

I believe that at the moment it is very possible that what we discussed is beyond your ability to intake, due to partially the spiritual attachment and partly due to the medication and other issues. But if my faith in my words is as true as i hope it is, then what atleast i said, should open up eventually and help you understand something.

Best of luck to you.

  • Registered: 2005-02-08

Re: troubles

I also came under severe "attention" by HD-STS, who ran me through all sorts of havoc. The best advice I got came from someone who was diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, and in one of his more lucid moments, he told me that the important thing to remember is that 95%-99% of what you hear has absolutely NOTHING to do with you.

Since then, I've realized that most of my thoughts of mental instability were mental implants passed to me by adoptive parents, who had their own reasons for wanting me to believe that I was crazy. Nowdays, I filter all new information through my intuition filter, and that sorts out nearly everything. I still get the voices from time to time, but these days they are far to predictable to bother me anymore.

Good luck!

-3G