Discerning accurate information (Page 1 of 2)

What do you see it significantly changing into?

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Yup!   Absolutely.   I've gone around and around sometimes with myself trying to debate whether some of these topics are in fact, valid, or are just disinformation bunk, (or even wishful thinking.)   I could see some evidence for their validity, but in many cases, not absolute proof.   So basically, I was taking some stuff on faith based on a small bit of indirect evidence.

This leads to my system of categorizing information, which I've mentioned here back at the start of this forum a few months ago, but I'll post here again really quick.  Basically, there are 4 categories that I can put all new information in:

4.  Information which I know to be absolute bunk / lies / disinformation, because my personal experiences have shown me contrary.

3.  Information which I can't say is true or not true, because my personal experiences haven't shown me either way.   In this case, I put the info. on the "back burner".  I don't dismiss it, because maybe sometime down the line I'll come across something or experience something which will finally prove it to be true.   In the meantime though, I just put it aside.   

2.  Information which I have indirect proof for.  (Example:   MILAB abductions.)   I'm pretty positive it's true, and have gathered enough indirect evidence to prove, but, it's still not 100% provable as of yet.

1.  Information which I know to be the truth..............................at least, for now, anyway.      

David Icke's reptilians is a good example to use here, because when I first came across that on his website, I laughed out loud and immediately dismissed it as crackpot.  I'd never seen any, so therefore, it was bunk.

Well, that's bad logic as I now realize.   I mean, REALLY bad logic.  I perused the rest of Icke's site and as much as I wanted to dismiss the guy as a total loon, I couldn't.   Everything he said made sense..............well, except for the reptilians part.   So the rest of his site kept me hooked, and going back for more.   So he moved up from a #4 status to #3.    I began to realize though very quickly that there was a lot of indirect evidence for reptilians, I mean, just take a look at the back of the (U.S.) one dollar bill, with the all seeing eye, surrounded by scaly reptilian skin, as well as all the references to lizard people and reptialians in ancient myths, art, folklore, literature and even the Bible.    In addition, I've since talked to several people who claim to have seen them, or who have close family members who have.    So, now it's moved up to the #2 status, where it remains as of this moment, until I actually get to see one for myself.   

I think it's a good system.   It'll help keep a person from being completely overwhelmed by all the new information coming at them when they get involved in researching these types of topics.

Christine- Yes, I think that it is appropriate to think of this forum as a lever for positive change and it is quite possible that such change has already occurred and will continue to occur.

Lyra- Nice system!  I like it.  Seems very practical.

As far as upcoming changes, I could take a more conservative approach and base it upon solid evidence, but I think it may be more fun to take a leap and make the assumption that the C's transciripts, the Ra material from the 1980s, the more resent Ra material from David Wilcock, and to a lesser extent the intuitive predictions of Sean David Morton all have some validity to them.  I will start more on the negative side of things and then switch to the positive.

If those sources are accurate, then I can see a scenario like the following: I do think it is highly possible that there will be multi-city terrorist attacks in the US before the November election.  This will lead to fear and anger and sadness and greater crackdown on society.

The price of oil is currently around $40 a barrel and the price trend will be upward.  This will make a lot of things more expensive and will lead to increased inflation and economic dislocation.  In the fall of 2005, we may see the beginning of a big stock market collapse which may be a loss of 50% over a year.  This collapse will be engineered by STS forces.  This will contribute to general economic decline, particularly in the US.

While that is going on, terrorist attacks will continue.  There will be a cry to "control the terrorists" and we may well see a return of the US draft.  Also, if the attacks continue, there will be legislators who want to do away with cash, and all transactions will occur via debit/credit cards.  These could be the plastic cards that we are used to and there will also be the possibility of having the card information implanted into your body (not recommended). 

While all this is happening, rapid climate change may be occurring.  We may see the increase in massive storms, potentially leading to "Super Storms".  Ice and snow may cover large areas of land and a recently released movie may not appear so far-fetched after all. (The C's specifically refer to this rapid climate change scenario).

When things are looking really bad, a really unprecedented thing may occur: governments will introduce us to human-looking aliens who have powers that boggle the mind (access to 4d).  They will be presented as saviors, and perhaps one will be put forth as the second coming of Jesus Christ.

The lockdown on society continues, possibly aided by HAARP array mind control/influence technologies.  This leads to the ultimate planned takeover where 36 million Nephalim ride the comets that come with the 4-d wave that intersects the Earth in approximately 2012. 

On the positive side, everything that happens, which appears subjectively good or bad, is related to the fact that the Earth is ready to move to 4-d, which is part of a natural growth cycle.  Gaia, of which we are currently a part, has learned many lessons and she is ready.  The transition will occur and it is really a wonderful thing, almost so wonderful that it is beyond imagining.  Some of the people who are ready to live on a 4-d Earth will go there directly from 3-d.  Others will go to from 3-d to 5-d and then to 4-d (they will die first and then come back).

I think that the 3-d people who are not ready for 4-d will go to 5-d and then come back to a 3-d planet.  That 3-d planet could be Earth or another planet.  I think that there is a good chance that it will be 3-d Earth, but in a time period that we view as the past.

As the 4-d wave approaches, the potential for 4-d powers will increase.  These include telepathy, clairvoyance, variable physicality, time travel, space travel, etc.  We may be visited by many entities that are drawn to this event.  We will be surprised and amazed when we realize that some of these entities are us!  (And they are not all good entities.)

As the frequency of the planet shifts, many people and institutions will fall.  People and institutions will be revealed for what they are and there are going to be a lot of shocked people.  Also, there will continue to be the intentional distraction of media celebrities who "fall from the pedestal".  I think that such events are designed to distract us from more important issues.

The role of people who have some sense of what is happening may be to remain sane and balanced and "hold the vibration."  This will increase the potential for a smooth transition.  While the broad picture may be known, there is a huge number of pathways that events could take, and that is why we volunteered to be here in such a tumultuous time.  Some of us may have "come from the future"  convinced that we would be able to "wake up" from consensus trance reality, wake up others in the process, and ease the pain of our mother Gaia as she gives birth to a new era.

You've pretty much summed it all up.

In regards to those who remain on 3D-earth-past, this refers back to how 4D STS trap their sheep in time-cycles.

In regards to the Nephalim, I don't think those who shift to 4D will ever get to see them lyra. They are coming for the beginning of the next phase of 4D domination on 3D earth. We'll (that's assuming a lot) be phasing out as their waking up from their naps on Nephalim Cruiser 1, 2, and 3. Or perhaps we 'will' see them. I want the latter case to happen because I hiddenly want to see if I can smack one of them down with a rock like "David and Goliath". (right between the eyes)

Thanks for the replies.

When we get to the 2012/4d transition point I think that we are in a highly speculative area.  Based on what the C's said, I think that the 36 million Nephalim may be arriving, but I don't think it is something to worry about. 

I think that the possibility exists for a peaceful transition to 4d, but given where we are now, I think that possibility is quite remote.

The C's say that the Nephalim are 3-d entities.  I understand that from a regular perspective the following sounds like a very dire possibility, but I think it is quite possible that when the 4d wave hits, much of life in 3d will be destroyed.  In fact, much  may be destroyed before the wave even hits.

I don't think that 4d STS will rule 3d Earth after the wave hits because there may not be much left to rule.  At least at that immediate time point.  I have heard of a 4d clean-up crew which cleans up all the 3d toxic stuff so that life can flourish again.

I think that most of the action will be on the 4d Earth. 

I have heard of a scenario where most of the people who emerge into 4d will get to live in a wonderful realm of love and light and all that.  However, the 4-d Reptilians and Orion STS will be there as well.  Therefore, some of the 4d STO entities are tasked with protecting the rest from overt attack by 4d STS forces.  It may be like an ongoing "light battle".  I have even heard of the possibility that some people may be drawn to video games now in order to prepare for these light battles. 

Now I'm sure we can easily come up with a bunch of negatives about video games, but I just wanted to throw in that useful possibility.  Halo anyone? (That's an X-box game).

Hmm, we had this discussion before. I gave this insight about such "battles", but ermolai came into the conversation and reminded me of the separation between vibrations.

In frank terms, 4D STO and 4D STS do not interact. In 3rd density you have the interactions between STO and STS. Why? Because this is the density of "self-awareness", where you are given the short-cycle route of "choosing" what polarity you pick. Once you choose and step-up to the higher density (harvest), you are separated from the other polarity for the rest of your learning curve. Moreover, STO doesn't battle. STO doesn't do anything but go with the natural flow. If life were a game of chess, life would ONLY be STS. STO don't play games. The preparation for 4D battle via "video-games" sounds romantic, but that's about it bro.

STO candidates don't prepare for battles against externalities. They find peace within the inner-battles. They establish organization of their higher-faculties to regulate the lower ones. Most people have their emotional and intellectual centers at the top: These are lower-centers! Candidates feed the STO-dog and starve the STS-dog. They wipe out all desires (which manifest obsessions) and maintain healthy preferences.

The primary point of it all is, you can't battle STS. When you battle STS, you empower it by giving it attention. Instead you know of its presence, you validate its importance in the forumula of equillibrium, and then you say 'ciao' and go skip around the lake with Bambi and Pinnoccio.

wandering1,

Not to insist that my point is the absolute correct one, but I think you are missing the point.

Your information, your knowledge, your conclusions are primarily directed by the assistance of the C and RA transcripts. So you should take note to this point because it is an important one for your development.

STO and STS do not interact above 3D density in the manner that you are contemplating. There is no "If you don't turn to our side, we will destroy you". Even at the point, 309,000 years ago, when humanity fell from "Eden/Grace" (ie. The Fall of Lucifer), we "obliged" to switch our polarities. You cannot force between polarities as the law of "Free-Will" would be abridged if one could do so. From my knowledge this Universal law is set at 5th Density, so 4D STS must play under the same rules.

You say that they are "very good points" but then you go on to say how you can "see STS trying to battle STO" and of your curiosity towards how "STO" will "respond". I think this ties in with humanities addiction towards the romantic belief of "Good vs Evil". This was a really hard concept for me to grasp, but more importantly ACCEPT, and I had much trouble on casschat because it took a while for the clarity of the C-transcripts to settle, and for the blinding effect of such knowledge to allow me to actually LEARN. STS battles with STS. This is so because of the pyramidal power-structure which is their energy-feeding-environment. STO play with STO, which is within a circular power-structure. The circle does NOT interact with the pyramid! They do not cross.

An STO being doesn't walk down the street "whistling" koombaya and see a STS being across the road staring at it while whipping his servants and slaves. 4th Density is the separation of polarities.

RA says that the "choice" made in 3rd Density (polarity) is the "axle" in which the WHEEL turns.