Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

As I understand it, something will not qualify as 'bad' unless it simply does not serve the purpose for which it was implemented. Now the pupose for a 4D shape-shifting reptilian race's existence might, I would imagine, have something to do with survival but also survival without unity with Source. So, in a sense, to be regressive. Why? Maybe that is their nature - maybe it is not. Of course if their goal is to live in unity with their divine and eternal source then, well what makes them so bad would be their failure to do so for want of their regressive nature itself. Create a farm-world and use others' energies instead of using your own connection to infinity to achieve the same ends.

I am as is Void.

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

Grape,

Those were not hypothetical situations, one occurred within my family, one was seen in the ER. I used them because no matter what your race, economic position, philosophy, religion sex etc, there are somethings that truly can be described as evil, wrong, and an abomination, and there are somethings that can be described as good.

Sure most of the time terms are used in way more obviously subjective ways, I'm not disputing that. That's part of why a very common reply from me is "well, it depends".

T-Ren wrote:

Good/evil(actions), ...They speak to the intent.

I made these plural because I realize one expression is not who/ what you are, we are all in a process of growth or change.

You won't find me judging anybody,  besides when you deal with intent the best person to decide STS vs STO is that person, so really they are subjective too, as previously stated they are tools not absolutes.  That still does not negate their use, esp. since we still live in a 3D world where billions of people accept and use the terms.

T-Ren wrote:

Either You decide OR in this world someone else will...the choice is yours, you decide and act accordingly and be responsible for the results.

No matter how much you disagree, it just doesn't pay to get riled up.

If combined equally(balanced), they transmute into something different; something more; something.. else.

You must remember that the light and the dark are nothing more than YOU reflecting upon yourself. You are the 'Grey'. You aren't a light being, or a dark oriented being. You ARE!

Without a consistent movement one way or another you do vascillate between the two. Without consistency how can people come to trust/depend on you?
A person that moves more towards light, does not automatically mean they are "neglecting" the darkness within them, they are moving beyond that and allowing that portion of them to rise above it's nature. They see it, they acknowledge it and ask "what is a better..."
Likewise a person moving towards the darkness does not necessarily "neglect" the light within them, they just refuse to respond to it there by solidifying their nature. They see it, they acknowledge it and say, "I'm going to do this anyway."

My thoughts, my $0.2.

Peace,
Teddy

"It means the Matrix can't tell you who you are" - Trinity

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

GrapeCaoDizzle wrote:

I disagree. Actions cannot possibly define an individual. It's like saying that if I choose to molest a child and violate his/her freewill, that single act would make me STS oriented.

Actions are reflections from what you truly are.

Bye, Pictus

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Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

T-Ren wrote:

(as z3n-may I call you that - stated)

Of course.   = )

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

I wanted to remark, in the instance of a child being beaten against its will, that this is the perfect example to illustrate that perhaps, there is'nt such a thing as free will. Reading some books about mind control will inform you, that there are evil people, with evil intent, that do evil things to victims who are pure and innocent. Those victims, in no way could have chosen such a dire circumstance. Their death only illustrates that absolute presence of evil, here in our world, destroying people. I cannot say if, in this destruction of these innocent people, if something is done for their souls, some positive repercussion. None of that is known, all that is reported, is that Satanic acts do happen, frequently, and that children are always missing.

I believe an argument discussing STS or STO is moot, for a few reasons which I will explain. If you are someone who is prone to doing evil things, like molesting and terrorizing others against their will, then you are an evil being. If that is not your intent, and if you do not wish to harm any, than you are not evil at all, (and perhaps evil has tried to stick its foot on you).

We as consciousness, that is aware in a physical body, has to be service to self. We have to pay attention to the body's physical demands. We cannot state, that we would be STO, and then deny ourselves of something proper like food, clothing or shelter? Everyone is seeking these basic needs, whether they have them or not. This search is not about STS, just about being aware that the body needs certain comforts in order to survive. In regard to STO, I believe that we, as aware, truthful, kind and sincere people, we are naturally STO oriented.

I honestly, want to see to see evil eradicated. I would love to live in a world without evil, I think it would be much more pleasant! I think that this is an assertion, that other truth seekers may share with me. We would love to see the world change, because we naturally are intending the best for others in their circumstances. This could be called STO thinking, though instead I would state that this is a natural inclination perhaps, of some inner truth that we have discovered. I have often felt unsatisfied with STO, because I could never help enough, and it was important to realize that all human consciousness is trapped in the physical body on Earth, and this trap results in an immediate desire for STO, just for survival. The contradiction between such a limited viewpoint is apparent.

Either one is choosing to align themselves with evil, or one is naturally drawn to the truth.

In one side note, I will reveal that I have often contemplated suicide, from this evil and deceptive world. I am currently not considering this at the very moment, because I would sincerely like to see a change in my life time. Maybe it will not happen, though I know that by choosing to live, I am allowing myself both more good and bad experiences, I also have made this decision because I realize that I do not know if there will be further entrapment after death. 

If you are a truth seeker, than you may be naturally drawn to share truths with others. With the STO extremes, it is encouraged that others do operate outside of themselves, and help others. This is not something that typically happens, most people in need are not given the help necessary. So, I do not believe that others can create such a dichotomy, as service to self, and service to others, when those in need are not given the help necessary. If they were, than there would be such a thing as those, operate of service to others. However, we as consciousness, trapped in our bodies, can only sustain the life force we have. We can also only choose our outward actions towards others, either with a sincere heart, or with malicious intent. I have never aligned myself with evil, and I know that is not something I will ever need to do.

I have read about the material stating, how there should be a balance, between light and dark. I think this may have been written with the intent to guise darkness from its evil state. True beings do not need to have any evil influence, true beings are tortured by evil unjustly, and they can only wish for something as fair as BALANCE.

Peace, Tracy



GrapeCaoDizzle wrote:

Tell this to the kid(or adult) that is kidnapped, beaten, raped, and killed or saved before being killed. Do you think they had something evil or wrong happen to them?[edited portion -Perhaps more importantly do THEY think they had something evil or wrong done to them? end edit]

I disagree. Actions cannot possibly define an individual. It's like saying that if I choose to molest a child and violate his/her freewill, that single act would make me STS oriented.

No I did not say that Good/Evil exist. Sure, one can commit an act that would violate an individuals freewill, but what if an individual chooses that his/her freewill be violated? Would the being who complied with this request be 'evil' or 'STS', or would they be 'STO' and 'good'.. or just something else entirely?.. seeing as the former individual used his own freewill to make a conscieous decsion to have his/her freewill violated. Perhaps this is the excepection? Perhaps this is an impossible question?

If you don't want your freewill violated, then do something about it. Inventing some false faction to blame your own weaknesses on is simply a crutch.

21 (edited by Risen 2006-05-10 00:33:05)

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

Thr33tim3, good post.  I find myself in agreement with most of what you said, but this part:

thr33tim3 wrote:

I wanted to remark, in the instance of a child being beaten against its will, that this is the perfect example to illustrate that perhaps, there is'nt such a thing as free will. Reading some books about mind control will inform you, that there are evil people, with evil intent, that do evil things to victims who are pure and innocent. Those victims, in no way could have chosen such a dire circumstance. Their death only illustrates that absolute presence of evil, here in our world, destroying people. I cannot say if, in this destruction of these innocent people, if something is done for their souls, some positive repercussion. None of that is known, all that is reported, is that Satanic acts do happen, frequently, and that children are always missing.

In thise case I'm not so sure the child doesn't have free-will.  But it isn't old/big enough really do anything about it, and possibly not old enough to know even know it has freewill for the most part.  But you are correct that there are always victims, and certainly all of those victims don't choose to be one.  I'm in agreement that there is an absolute presence of evil, and I shrug off the recent postings (not yours) about light=dark etc.

As for STS/STO I can see where one might call it moot, but I think it's useful for discussing events + beings that aren't purely good or evil.  For instance where a normally "good" person commits a selfish act.  Does it make the person "evil"?  I think no, not necessarily.  But perhaps indicates a slight inclination to STS.

[edit]And yes, we all have basic needs and do what we can to fulfill those, therefore we are all somewhat "STS".  But I don't think that's what the term is meant to refer to.  Of course I didn't "coin" it, so I can't say for sure![/edit]

[another edit]
I also differ from Montalk slightly in that I don't think good + evil are false dichotomies.  I tend to think of good + evil along the same lines of light + darkness.  So a "good" person to me is about equal to a person of light, etc. Yes, I think there are "relative" good/evil, subjective to one's beliefs.  But I also believe in absolutes in thise case.

I do agree that STS/STO still serves a good purpose for discussions.
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/me hides in the corner again.

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
- - - - -[ Yellow Cake - Ministry - Rio Grande Blood (2006)