1 (edited by GrapeCaoDizzle 2006-05-03 17:00:49)

Topic: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

First, let us debunk the myth of 'good' and 'evil'. Good and Evil aren't opposites. They aren't dual. They are but mere points of view. Why must 'liberals' and 'conservatives' fight one another over varied views? 'Light' and 'Dark' are but two shades of grey. We are all one-- just as the male cannot truly exist without the female.

Second, some people say that they are parasites - well, so are we.. and so is any other creature that lives on Earth. We farm other creatures for sustinace. Our bodies cannot survive without calories of some sort; without some type of organic food source. What's the difference between us and the Lizzies, in that respect? They farm us, like we farm other beings. It shouldn't come as a suprise that other beings would leech off of us like we do to the so called "lesser beings".

Now, im not saying that I would willingly allow my home to be overtaken by 'superior' alien beings.. but that the Lizards are but a reflection of present-state Humanity. They fly all over the galaxy conquering planets blah blah blah sucking up it's resources and enslaving it's inhabitance(just look at what Humans do to each other, let alone the predator wolf- they kept as pets, evolving into modern day dogs.)

So don't cry out and feel suprised when you hear that the reptiles have large stocks of Human flesh stashed away from OUR own wars and ignorance.

Defend your homes. Kill the leechers. But keep in mind that you aren't 'good' and that they aren't 'evil'-- you too, being a leech on this planet as well.

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

Regarding good and evil, these are false dichotomies while STO and STS form a genuine duality. Good and evil are judged according to subjective moral, legal, or dogmatic standards. In contrast, STO and STS are part of a duality that originates with choice - the choice of whether to pursue a path that contributes to total system imbalance or total system balance, and that is objective.

Lizards are fourth density STS beings, we are third density STS beings. That makes us the prey in the STS predator-prey dynamic. No surprise there. We eat animals because we can, not because we have some divine right to consume them. Same for the Lizards eating us. They do it because they can, not because they have the right. Therefore we would not be violating their right should we deny them ourselves as food, for that is our choice to make. And we don't have to label them as "bad" to make that choice. Rather we simply have to choose freedom over slavery.

We are 3D beings empowered with self-awareness and knowledge to choose the direction of our evolution. If you want to transcend the STS mode, you must get out of the predator-prey dynamic, and stopping being prey is a necessary part of that. The difference between 3D prey and 2D prey is freewill. Animals lacking self-determination and self-awareness operate under the law of the jungle. Humans have the potential to choose otherwise, but it is the business of 4D STS to keep them ignorant of that choice. I don't see the problem with educating people to the reality of hyperdimensional predation and empowering them with the choice to transcend it.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

3 (edited by GrapeCaoDizzle 2006-05-03 18:21:11)

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

Right....

in the end, those who choose to serve the self ultimately serve others due to the possible experiences their existences provide. There isn't any true duality, in my opinion.. but just a temporary 'buffer' zone where the 'grey' experiences itself.

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

I don't see STS as bad so much as hoodlums or petty tyrants or conjurers.  I find that having a sense of humor about them helps to deal with them more effectively.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

Nothing.  I love 'em.  If it's true that they gave me their mind, what better gift could I ask for?  They gave the very thing I needed in order take myself out of their predator-prey equation.  It would be like me teaching a cow how to knock over a fence.  Aim for the wood post, brave cows!

The distinctions of STS, parasites, etc is just that;  distinctions.  It's a tool for comparing and contrasting.  It makes it easier to see the choices at hand.  For those that wish to experience STS fully, they are there to teach.  For those that wish to experience STO fully, they are there to provide a catalyst that increases the rate of reaction that pushes those towards that choice.

It all depends on which level you wish to view the dynamics from.  Viewing from just one level doesn't cover the complete picture though.  A multi-faceted view is usually best.  But we must not forget, we are in 3d and it behooves us to view the dynamics from the bottom up vantage point as well as the top down vantage point.

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

I think there has to be a connection between the 4D lizzards and our "reptilian brian", so i've pasted a text below which i find quite interessting.

BRAIN LAYER CAKE

The human brain is in layers like a round three-layer cake, or like a three-layer baseball, or perhaps like an apple- seeds, core, and fruit.

Brain scientists call this brain model The Triune Brain - 3 brains in one. (This way of looking at the human brain introduced by Dr. Paul MacLean, director of The Laboratory of Brain Evolution and Behavior).

The most inner section, like the hard seeds of an apple, is called the reptile brain, because it looks like and functions like the brains of snakes, lizards, and reptiles. It computes only basic survival, self-defense and counter-attack. Famous Neuroscientist joke: "The reptile brain computes the four F's of behavior- fighting, fleeing, feeding and reproduction." It merely reacts with the rest of the universe- no thinking, no new ideas- just reacting with the ancient primeval programming "It is 100% competitive consciousness, and only computes 'me-me-me' types of behavior"

The next layer surrounding that is the mammal brain, like the core of an apple around the reptile brain seeds. It adds on emotions and very basic social behaviors, and allows you to function on the same level as your pet dog or cat. It allows you to do things with other individuals like wolves in a pack. The human mammal brain also contains the brain's gateway switches that control the flow of energy to higher more advanced parts of the brain.

The outermost layer of the brain is called the primate brain and frontal lobes. It makes up 5/6 of the total volume of our human brain. It computes the most complex, refined, and advanced human behaviors. It computes abstract thought, concepts of time, and planning. It computes "CICIL": Creativity, Imagination, Cooperation, Intuition, Logic. It is the part of the brain responsible for the "transcendence phenomenon" ("Eureka!!"), and for human paranormal abilities like precognition and telepathy.

Here is a way of looking how energy flows through the brain layers:

The universe is filled with all kinds of energy, and it all reaches your body and enters in various sense organs, through your eyes, through your fingers and toes, in your ears, on your tongue, through food, in air, all around you twenty-four hours a day. It first rolls around in the more primitive parts of your brain so even while you're sleeping , your heart and lungs and temperature, and things like basic body maintenance is regulated. Additionally, when you are awake, your reptile brain first receives external energy and stimulation signals via your spinal cord. (The reptile brain sits atop your spinal cord.)

When you wake up in the morning and become conscious on this material plane there is a little switch that clicks on in your reptile brain. This is called the reticular activating formation (RAF). When it is off, you are asleep or in a coma. When it's on, you wake up and you walk around absorbing incoming signals and stimulus.

Consciousness enters the reptile brain past the RAF, through LAYER ONE-, and you compute basic survival: "Eat breakfast, don't walk in front of milk truck." Then it flows and up and out to LAYER TWO- the mammal brain. Here, you then compute this basic sensory information and transform it into basic emotions and basic social responses: "Ugh, time to go to work." or alternatively "Wow! It's Saturday!"

At this point it reaches various brain gateways, filters and switches and this consciousness energy is then sent to other parts of your brain accordingly. Some of it is stored as short-term memory, some makes enough of an impression that it eventually is solidified as long term memory. Some of this brain energy is recomputed into more emotions. A trickle will get through to LAYER THREE, your frontal lobes and primate brain, usually just enough to allow you to plan lunch and read the paper. Or it can get blocked and stop.

Typically weak brain energy is like a rocket ship without enough fuel or force to reach escape velocity and achieve its mission among the stars. It is like a ball that has been thrown into the air, it reverses direction and plummets backwards- in this case back into reptile brain's "nothing new is happening" circuits. Insufficient forward brain energy movement to achieve escape from the primitive reptile brain results in negative emotions of boredom, monotony, loneliness, and meaninglessness.

HOWEVER- When increased amounts of this electrochemical energy are sent forward to your frontal lobes- when you have an 8 lane highway of neurocircuits open to your frontal lobes, the traffic jam is freed up.....!POP! Brain Bingo! Brain Escape Velocity. "Eureka! Now I get it!" FUNNNN!



Now- one reason the floodgates aren't automatically always totally open to your frontal lobes is that we have to filter out most of the information that goes to you forebrain, or we would be overwhelmed with data all the time. You naturally filter out 99.999% of the stuff surrounding you because if you didn't you wouldn't get anything done, much less get any sleep. This is why a person who takes a psychedelic drug that removes these filters is so overwhelmed by the complexity (and the astounding beauty) of the world around him. It is also why this person can't do much of anything while in this state, besides gawk at the wonder of everything.

As biological creatures we have to perform single tasks to survive in a physical world. So we filter out things in our brain that are essential to our survival.

If suddenly you woke up and you had telepathy with the entire universe and God was talking directly to you from every dust particle in your living room, you might never make it out your front door to the supermarket. People would say you were nuts.

For many it's also scary to think we are all connected, that the universe is all connected. It would force a whole rethink of nearly every single institution, government, power structure, educational institution, distribution of wealth. Completely open and unfiltered awareness is scary for reptilian thinking humans. It's an evolutionary quantum leap.

This filtering happens in various brain gateways and click switches. What happens is that just a TRICKLE of the available data in our environment and in the universe makes it to our frontal lobes for further use and computations. We block out most of it because to achieve plain survival these days, we don't have to think very much.

We block out universal information on a zillion different frequencies like a coffee filter, or like a river dam. Cultural conditioning- what we learn from society and from our parents- determines how much we filter out.

Babies are born with their click switches wide open, at least much more open than adults' are. But as infants grow, they are trained to suppress more and more of the information to conform to expectations and social restraints. We train our kid's brains to behave and conform to social norms, but at the same time , this also traps and filters creativity, imagination, and pleasure.

Schools, parents, peer groups all re-train our brain to block out the full force of brain consciousness energy. We get stuck defending ourselves, restricting unhampered thought just so we don't get clobbered. We learn to play it safe- because we are largely living in a threatening world where creativity and individuality is not encouraged- and fitting in and conforming to society is. Society encourages safe and predictable behavior and what it knows works to keep that plain old survival intact. Society does not as a rule encourage exploration or deviation from the norm. As a rule, humans teach their babies to keep the amygdala clicked backward.

As kids we are fully connected, ready to explore the universe, but as we age, it's like unplugging one spark plug wire at a time on an engine until only one wire is left connected. Putt putt.............putt.

Multiply disconnected frontal lobes times 1 human brain and you get boredom, loneliness, job frustration, romantic troubles, disease, depression, psychosis, ax murderer, kid with a gun in the cafeteria. Multiply that times 6 billion humans and you get pollution, crime, nuclear threats, war, climate change, end of the planet.

When a person learns to reverse the negative cultural conditioning and frees the plugged up, short circuited bound energy in the brain, and move it freely and forward once again into the advanced thinking frontal lobes-

Multiplied by one person you get creativity, intelligence, pleasure, happiness, satisfaction, excitement, health, longevity, and eventually telepathy, telekinesis, pre-cognition, clairvoyance, nirvana. Multiply that time 6 billion humans and you get end of war, clean environment, stabilized growth, global prosperity, and then the spaceships will start landing on the front lawn of the White House (the planet will look safe to outsiders).

Revolt against boring dead-end cultural conformity. Fearlessly go where you haven't gone before:

Think of something you have never done before. Ever.

Do something DIFFERENT that is sure to cause a Quick !POP! in your brain.

Create something new! Imagine yourself doing something different!

Cooperate and engage with somebody and surprise them! Just DO IT.

The list is endless:

Go someplace new. Look at a new kind of book. Talk to a new person.

Cook a new dish. Write a new poem. Buy a new game and play it.

Walk in a new part of town. Paint your wall a wild color.

Pencil in here: Today, I will do this completely new (for me) thing:

"I've had a traumatic youth.
My father drank.


And my mother ate."                                       

Kama

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

Great article! Reminds me of Carl Sagan's Dragons of Eden.

Thanks for that p-L.

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

8 (edited by Lemniscate 2006-05-04 08:10:36)

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

pocketable-L wrote:

BRAIN LAYER CAKE

Famous Neuroscientist joke: "The reptile brain computes the four F's of behavior- fighting, fleeing, feeding and reproduction."

This explains why I'm starving and celibate . . .

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

Should have an equilibrium, not ?
If not eat, die or got sick, what about celibate ?

Bye, Pictus

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10 (edited by SiriArc 2006-05-04 23:36:16)

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

z3n3rg wrote:

What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

Nothing.  I love 'em.  If it's true that they gave me their mind, what better gift could I ask for?

Oh ya, good times

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/siriarc/goauldhathor.jpg

Castaneda's The Active Side of Infinity:

In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver - stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.

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In days of yore, Lazaris was discussing the Positive and Negative Ego:

Referring to the Negative aspect, They said:

It‘s dumb - It does and says the some things over and over - But It‘s smarter than you.......

Note: ‘you’ as opposed to ‘YOU’.
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Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

"First, let us debunk the myth of 'good' and 'evil'. Good and Evil aren't opposites."

Where did ya get that meme??

What evil really amounts to is choices that go against life and continue the false belief that predatory reality is the only way....an obvious and illogical conclusion. Evil is all things that go against life and pretend otherwise.
It takes a willing participant to manifest an evil act. By itself its only an idea. The wrong ideas are broadcast to compliant receivers who for whatever reason are unwilling or unable to think for themselves and realize a bad idea when they think one.


"Our bodies cannot survive without calories of some sort; without some type of organic food source." ???

Another obvious falsehood.

How about Solarians, breatharians...and others yet to be discovered.
The old paradigm and its false limits is in the process of being shown up.

There are links on this forum right now that speak about not only subsisting on Solar energy but also about people that are breatharians. People are bi-locating and walking thru walls....dematerializing, and doing all manner of things that others cannot possibly believe in....yet they are doing it nontheless.


Good is everything that enhances life and does not lie about things. Good does not create divisions and false reality structures. Language falls short. Read between the lines.

StarCat

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/normanspinrad/solarian.jpg

Bye, Pictus

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13 (edited by GrapeCaoDizzle 2006-05-05 08:42:51)

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

Where did ya get that meme??

What evil really amounts to is choices that go against life and continue the false belief that predatory reality is the only way....an obvious and illogical conclusion. Evil is all things that go against life and pretend otherwise.
It takes a willing participant to manifest an evil act. By itself its only an idea. The wrong ideas are broadcast to compliant receivers who for whatever reason are unwilling or unable to think for themselves and realize a bad idea when they think one.

This seems like an attempt to keep the Good/Evil lie going. Good and Evil don't truly exist. They are nothing more than biases manifested via conditioning and/or unnesessarily drawing from the base principles of balance. Birth and Death are one in the same. Duality/Polarity are nothing more than crutch paradigms utilized by those who are unable to fathom oneness. Embrace the insanity..

When I hear of an "evil/dark being" I see nothing more than a singletary being, irregardless of what someone else labels it. His actions are of his own inclinations, which is a subjective thing.

Some might say that 'light' beings bring about balance. This is wrong. Balance is not the quelling of the ego or STO and all of that other stuff. He who is truly balanced embodies both light and darkness equally.

When one sells his soul to the 'light' he creates imbalance.. as he's neglected the 'darkness' within himself. The 'darkness' cannot shine within a 'light' being, thus he maintains the distortion of polarity.

Another obvious falsehood.

How about Solarians, breatharians...and others yet to be discovered.
The old paradigm and its false limits is in the process of being shown up.

There are links on this forum right now that speak about not only subsisting on Solar energy but also about people that are breatharians. People are bi-locating and walking thru walls....dematerializing, and doing all manner of things that others cannot possibly believe in....yet they are doing it nontheless.

Good is everything that enhances life and does not lie about things. Good does not create divisions and false reality structures. Language falls short. Read between the lines.

My argument wasn't initially centered around alternative means of survival pre se, but to present some parallels between Humans and the Lizards.

14 (edited by T-Ren 2006-05-05 18:17:19)

Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

Okay, I'll jump on the hamster wheel.

Good and Evil don't truly exist.

Tell this to the kid(or adult) that is kidnapped, beaten, raped, and killed or saved before being killed. Do you think they had something evil or wrong happen to them?[edited portion -Perhaps more importantly do THEY think they had something evil or wrong done to them? end edit]

Or the person that is told they have weeks to live only to find out at a check-up that there is not trace of the illness. Do you think they feel blessed/lucky like something "good" happened to them?

Good and evil may not be the best or highest level, most accurate descriptors they are however a tool (as z3n-may I call you that - stated) to evaluate a situation or a choice. they may not work with "less severe or dramatic" situations the smaller, more extreme you get they stand-up though.

Good/evil(actions), STS/STO etc, really just stem from our hearts, out of who we are. They speak to the intent. To the heart of the person. Either You decide OR in this world someone else will...the choice is yours, you decide and act accordingly and be responsible for the results.

They are nothing more than biases manifested via conditioning and/or unnesessarily drawing from the base principles of balance.

So really you agree that they exist you just don't like it.  A lot of religions/philosophies talk about the concept generalized as "don't take things personally" events just are, neither good or bad, achieve this then you move on to a "higher" level of distinction. Good/ bad pretty much cease to exist.

He who is truly balanced embodies both light and darkness equally.

I disagree, because then you vascillate between the two components.

He who is truly balanced embodies both light and darkness equally.

I suppose, but what is that person then good/ bad? Light/ dark?

OR have they just accepted who/what they are and surrendered to that aspect.

Or have they accepted who/ what they are and decided there has to be something else and chose that?

Think about all the thought/effort/energy that has to go into an "evil" act(by the way do you think the person knows what they are doing is wrong? I think so because it is the reaction - whether from the victim or in their body - they are looking for that motivates them, which inherently means they know the other person won't like it.)

Meanwhile good/kind/loving opportunites can practically fall into your lap whether you recognize them or not. It's usually pretty easy because it is right there in front of you BUT you need to choose to do it.

My argument wasn't initially centered around alternative means of survival pre se, but to present some parallels between Humans and the Lizards.

Then it would have been better to open with that instead.

Peace,
Teddy

"It means the Matrix can't tell you who you are" - Trinity

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Re: What's so 'bad' about the Lizards?

Tell this to the kid(or adult) that is kidnapped, beaten, raped, and killed or saved before being killed. Do you think they had something evil or wrong happen to them?[edited portion -Perhaps more importantly do THEY think they had something evil or wrong done to them? end edit]

Or the person that is told they have weeks to live only to find out at a check-up that there is not trace of the illness. Do you think they feel blessed/lucky like something "good" happened to them?

I honestly don't think these hypothetical examples apply here. If good/evil is subjective, then how may a faction be accurately defined? Views differ, but the truth is still there.

Good and evil may not be the best or highest level, most accurate descriptors they are however a tool (as z3n-may I call you that - stated) to evaluate a situation or a choice. they may not work with "less severe or dramatic" situations the smaller, more extreme you get they stand-up though.

Using your model respectively - can we then conclude that a singaltary act and/or action will define any and all acts and/or actions in the near future, of the select being? That's ludicrus. For example: I enjoy pleasuring myself. I am satisfied with my superiority. I serve the self. But, I also recieve the same joy from helping others. I like to help others. I want them to be happy and healthy.
Am I STO or STS?

So if I choose to step on someone for my own benefit today and help out a homeless person, take him in and shelter him tommorow, it doesn't really matter if I'm STO or STS oriented, as my actions cannot truly define what I am.


This is but a poor example of the folly that is duality/polarity. While you're out trying to classify me with percentages(70% this 30% that), it will never change who I am. I am balanced(in the process of, at least): Both light and dark, but at the same time neither. I am in the process of transmuting both light and dark into a new spectrum: Grey.

Perhaps this is a futile attempt to remain balanced in such limited physical forms? Perhaps..

Good/evil(actions), STS/STO etc, really just stem from our hearts, out of who we are. They speak to the intent. To the heart of the person. Either You decide OR in this world someone else will...the choice is yours, you decide and act accordingly and be responsible for the results.
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I disagree. Actions cannot possibly define an individual. It's like saying that if I choose to molest a child and violate his/her freewill, that single act would make me STS oriented.

So really you agree that they exist you just don't like it.  A lot of religions/philosophies talk about the concept generalized as "don't take things personally" events just are, neither good or bad, achieve this then you move on to a "higher" level of distinction. Good/ bad pretty much cease to exist.

No I did not say that Good/Evil exist. Sure, one can commit an act that would violate an individuals freewill, but what if an individual chooses that his/her freewill be violated? Would the being who complied with this request be 'evil' or 'STS', or would they be 'STO' and 'good'.. or just something else entirely?.. seeing as the former individual used his own freewill to make a conscieous decsion to have his/her freewill violated. Perhaps this is the excepection? Perhaps this is an impossible question?

If you don't want your freewill violated, then do something about it. Inventing some false faction to blame your own weaknesses on is simply a crutch. I respect the brave beings who impose upon my freewill, as they directly point out the flaws within my own disiplines. We could destroy them with mere thought, and yet they 'love' us enough to approach and impose themselves upon us, thereby pointing out our own flaws. Of course, that's the mission of the Jinns anyways...

I disagree, because then you vascillate between the two components.

I suppose, but what is that person then good/ bad? Light/ dark?

OR have they just accepted who/what they are and surrendered to that aspect.

Not necessarily. The darkness and the light are polar opposities. If combined equally(balanced), they transmute into something different; something more; something.. else. Some call this the All; the source.. whatever. Each of us has this potential, you simply need to use the tools given to you(polarity/duality) to remember this. Only a fool would be concerned with aligning himself with his own tools; failing to balance himself out and remember his own, truth nature. You must remember that the light and the dark are nothing more than YOU reflecting upon yourself. You are the 'Grey'. You aren't a light being, or a dark oriented being. You ARE!

Then it would have been better to open with that instead.

I thought that this was covered, but oh well. I simply have to make myself clearer next time smile