Topic: The Matrix is a DIFFERENT THING to different people

Different people are at different stages in their spiritual developement. The differences in these stages are so big that you could compare some people to being like microbes, insects, birds, men/women, etc. (spiritually speaking).

I quote from the book "Seth Speaks":

"A tree is something far different to a microbe, a bird, an insect, and a man who stands beneath it. I am not saying that the tree only appears to be different. It is different. You perceive reality through one set of specialized senses. This does not mean that its reality exists in that form in any more basic way than it exists in the form perceived by the microbe, insect, or bird. You cannot perceive the quite valid reality of that tree in any context but your own. This applies to anything within the physical system that you know."

I believe that we can apply this to humans as well. Different people who are at different stages in their spiritual developement will see the elite's system of control (a.k.a. the matrix) as being a different thing. Someone who is at a microbe-level of spiritual growth can never be told there's a matrix (just like the microbe can never be told that it's on a "tree"). When you extropolate this out to the bird, the insect, the man, etc. you can really understand what's going on this world and why most people don't want to fight the matrix (they're the microbes, insects and birds, metaphorically speaking).

Now I know why I can't "wake up" certain people to the matrix and the elite's plan. They are not seeing the same matrix that I am! It is an entirely different thing to them than it is to me. I'm sure that we've all experienced this and it's a huge part of the puzzle for me in understanding what's going on.

What do you think?

2 (edited by Pictus 2006-05-01 08:49:20)

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Very good point, I agree.
I was always very intrigued by why most of people did not
see things that was so clear under their noses… hehehehehehe

Most people only thinks in sex, food and money, may not be exactly in this order lol

Bye, Pictus

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Pictus wrote:

Most people only thinks in sex, food and money, may not be exactly in this order lol

You know.. two nights ago my "friends" came over for no reason (obviously a subconscious reason).  Anywho.. that night this one friend that always enjoys going agaisn't ANY opinion that I have - without any logical application of his brain - attempted to drain my energy, although I didn't bite once again.  Regardless, him and the other guy said "What movie should we go see, a scary movie with 18 year old boobs, or V for Vendetta?  I guess I won't learn anything from either movies eh Kalu?"

So he was talking to me.. and I didn't even say anything!  Mostly because I was speechless... like what am I suppose to say to that?  It's like he knows I "believe" in other things.. and wants me to waste energy in talking about it to him, so he can then shut me down and feel superior.  I just don't get it!  And it's makes me sleepy.

During this whole experience I heard numerous things spoken like "Sex sells", "Isn't that the best girl-on-girl video?" among other things.

About different spiritual levels.. well, who is able to classify different people at different levels?  Maybe some people are content "in the Matrix" (if it does exist).  But if I go on to say "Well they are trapped, ignorant and I am aware and free" well.. that's very egotistical and such a display of ignorance in myself.  So I am wondering how we can classify each other at different "spiritual levels"?

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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NaturalMystic wrote:

So I am wondering how we can classify each other at different "spiritual levels"?

Part of it would be acknowledging that there is no absolute determination, but neither is the determination a purely subjective thing. In other words, it might be relative since your being awake only counts when it's relative to someone who cannot see all that you can see, while at the same time you are still asleep relative to someone who sees and understands more about "all of this" than even yourself.

By neither puffing yourself up and putting others down, nor denying your own power and awareness, you simultaneously remain humble by knowing there are smarter and wiser beings than yourself while at the same time making use of your gifts to help others rise to greater awareness.

As for the whole subjectivity thing, relative means it depends on where you are, subjective means it depends on what you wish it to be. If an interpretation of the Matrix is relative, it would be because the person is at a level experiencing a set of obstacles, deceptions, and manipulations that differ from someone of a different level. If an interpretation of the Matrix is subjective, then it would be because one shapes the concept to fit wishful thinking and soothe insecurities instead of basing it on observation, knowledge, and discernment.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Natural Mystic wrote:

You know.. two nights ago my "friends" came over for no reason (obviously a subconscious reason).  Anywho.. that night this one friend that always enjoys going agaisn't ANY opinion that I have - without any logical application of his brain - attempted to drain my energy, although I didn't bite once again.

And why did you allow this? What part of you is allowing/drawing these people to you?

Sometimes rejection is the best learning method. Some people "learn" by which people/methods accept them, and which ones don't. They go throughout life treating it like a maze. Sometimes all we're called to be is a wall, so they are forced to make a choice.

Once I made a conscious decision within myself as to how I was going to be (pursuing the spirit, not the flesh), those types of people were no longer "entertained". Others came around who were less decisive in their pursuit of the flesh. They wanted a reason to change, because they felt a reason inside and wanted some type of confirmation that there was something else to their existance. The previous types never even bothered with me any more.

Like my mom said, "When you grow up you will have very few friends, but many acquaintances."

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)

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Lemniscate wrote:

And why did you allow this? What part of you is allowing/drawing these people to you?

Sometimes rejection is the best learning method. Some people "learn" by which people/methods accept them, and which ones don't. They go throughout life treating it like a maze. Sometimes all we're called to be is a wall, so they are forced to make a choice.

Thanks for bringing this up.  Wasn't even viewing the situation from this perspective. 

I guess maybe there is still a part of me that wants to share my experiences with those my age - although why so closed minded?  Hmmm, or maybe they are showing me a part of myself that is still closed minded when it comes to interactions my own age.  That sounds better.

So it is indeed a learning experience!  Most likely attracting the polar opposite within myself so it can be released.  Most of this build up is most likely from negative high school experiences.  That would explain why I attract my old high school friends that just happen to be all about sex and booze. 

It actually happened again today!  Synchronosity at its finest!  smile  I was outside playing hockey with a bunch of kids when "somehow" a person (that I occasionally hung out with in high school - that wasn't too friendly to me either lol) came by in his car.  Asked me if I was 19 yet, then asked me if I had gone to the bar, of which I replied "No", then proceeded to say that we should go to the bar.

Twice in two days!  And both times I was at home...

Thanks for that question Lemniscate smile It put the situation in perspective.

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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Within that differentness there will be another camp that perceives something that might be called pure principle.
Language falls short. There will not be any excessive focus or obsession towards any aspect of the situation at hand but rather, these people will tend to understand each other on non-verbal levels and will have been operating in a transcendent fashion...before, now and later. Its about not letting one's attention get trapped by anything, place, idea, way of being, knowing etc. A refusal to engage in limiting ways of thinking. Much of what is being put out there so to speak is designed to limit creative thought and corral it into narrow potential expressions. This is especially true with language based definitions. The Toltecs have said that belief systems are a description of the dream.
Alot of discussion about things can involve alot of dancing with things which goes in circles.

StarCat

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Natural Mystic wrote:

[It actually happened again today!  Synchronosity at its finest!  smile  I was outside playing hockey with a bunch of kids when "somehow" a person (that I occasionally hung out with in high school - that wasn't too friendly to me either lol) came by in his car.  Asked me if I was 19 yet, then asked me if I had gone to the bar, of which I replied "No", then proceeded to say that we should go to the bar.

Twice in two days!  And both times I was at home...

Sounds like the universe has your number, and is trying to get hold of you . . .

You're more than welcome to any help I can be. If you ever need your handwriting analyzed . . . I know this has helped many people in the past.

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)

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Lemniscate wrote:

You're more than welcome to any help I can be. If you ever need your handwriting analyzed . . . I know this has helped many people in the past.

Hey you can do that?  Well what if I said I had girls had writting? LoL, and its very neat... I don't have a scanner so I cant show you.  Funny that you meantion hand writting.  I was at work two days ago and these two girls were like "You have nice hand writting for a guy.  I think thats even better than mine" LoL.. then I told them I've heard it all before.. 'cause I actually have all throughout school.

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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Natural Mystic  wrote:

You know.. two nights ago my "friends" came over for no reason (obviously a subconscious reason).  Anywho.. that night this one friend that always enjoys going agaisn't ANY opinion that I have - without any logical application of his brain - attempted to drain my energy, although I didn't bite once again.  Regardless, him and the other guy said "What movie should we go see, a scary movie with 18 year old boobs, or V for Vendetta?  I guess I won't learn anything from either movies eh Kalu?"

So he was talking to me.. and I didn't even say anything!  Mostly because I was speechless... like what am I suppose to say to that?  It's like he knows I "believe" in other things.. and wants me to waste energy in talking about it to him, so he can then shut me down and feel superior.  I just don't get it!  And it's makes me sleepy.

This sounds familiar to me. 
I've tried to make some of my friends open their eyes even a litlle bit, but they always STOP when things get really interessting (according to me of course). wink

Lemniscate wrote:

Sometimes rejection is the best learning method. Some people "learn" by which people/methods accept them, and which ones don't. They go throughout life treating it like a maze. Sometimes all we're called to be is a wall, so they are forced to make a choice.

Thats a good suggestion. I found myself going along with some peoples BS talk too much.
Somtimes i "give" people a smile or a grin because if i don't they will feel rejected. I know it sounds stupid but it is.

Pictus wrote:

Most people only thinks in sex, food and money, may not be exactly in this order

I wonder if people are really only interessted in this... it seems that way yes, but i think a lot of people are consciously or unconsciously yearning for something else. But they seem very afraid of something "new" or an unfamiliar perspective.

"I've had a traumatic youth.
My father drank.


And my mother ate."                                       

Kama

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pocketable-L wrote:

i think a lot of people are consciously or unconsciously yearning for something else.

Yes.  Yes.  Yes.

Something sacred.  Something spiritual.  Something to lift them up from the mundane of life.


pocketable-L wrote:

But they seem very afraid of something "new" or an unfamiliar perspective.

Yes.  Very afraid.  I have seen this.  Some are more open than others.

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pocketable-L wrote:

I wonder if people are really only interessted in this... it seems that way yes, but i think a lot of people are consciously or unconsciously yearning for something else. But they seem very afraid of something "new" or an unfamiliar perspective.

One of the hardest things to do in our society is to remain quiet. It seems that every conversation we're in renders a response of some sort. People tend to get very "uncomfy" if there happens to be a lull in the conversation.

It took me years of practice to be able to resist this "programming". People at first thought I was weird, and maybe even "retarded". But I was led to practice this at the risk of losing my societal reputation, and ego. I had no idea at the time where this was leading . . . only that I should do what I was led to do.

Years later, total strangers come up to me and start a conversation . . . not about everyday life, but about things that they are genuinely interested in. Spiritual matters, self improvement, family squabbles to which they see no end. They feel a draw to me . . . they don't see me as the "everyday guy" from whom they can only solicit small talk.

I think the most powerful thing you could do is to remain silent. Once you are still within yourself, they will seek you out. They will sense this stillness . . . be drawn to it. And will inevitably start with a seemingly innocuous question . . .

Risk looking "silly". Risk being different. For it is that difference which they seek.

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)

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Natural Mystic wrote:
Lemniscate wrote:

You're more than welcome to any help I can be. If you ever need your handwriting analyzed . . . I know this has helped many people in the past.

Hey you can do that?  Well what if I said I had girls had writting? LoL, and its very neat... I don't have a scanner so I cant show you.  Funny that you meantion hand writting.  I was at work two days ago and these two girls were like "You have nice hand writting for a guy.  I think thats even better than mine" LoL.. then I told them I've heard it all before.. 'cause I actually have all throughout school.

Actually, if you have a digital camera you can take a picture of your handwriting, download it onto your computer, then send the image to me.

I have been accused of having a "girls" handwriting as well. I think it's the artist coming out in me, tearing off her bra, then burning it...

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)

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Wken you feel that you are talking and no one is listening, you are only seeing the surface of people. Our realization of the matrix is seen as very strange by those who find comfort in the familiar view of reality. Our job is to keep talking to people about this stuff because talking about it puts it in their subconscious. When enough people talk about it, people will begin to get interested it.
Years ago, people thought Tarot readings were a fraud, and only wierd people played with them. Then over time Tarot became accepted by a large number of people. This is not a great example, but you get the idea.
To those who can hear what you are saying, you are planting a seed. It matters not who harvests that seed, It is important for someone to plant it.

So, keep talking and keep learning and keep becoming more aware. Who knows where it will lead?

Hope this helps
WizardT

15 (edited by Hourthirteen 2006-05-03 19:12:31)

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What a great thread this has been...and it just made me feel so good to read these posts...everyone has been so kind, so allowing, so tolerant...so PEACE-FILLED...so deep and beautiful.

Thank you, for this experience. I felt so much encouragment from everyone's words.

Peace,
Summer