Common Logical Fallacies & Tactics used on Message Boards (Page 2 of 3)

Or is the Rapture the Shift/Ascension renamed?

This hints at a paradox that makes my brain go squishy.

On the one had, yes, all we know is now.  This moment, this life, is all there is.  We don't know any different.

On the other hand, we do know different, because these events of the past were not happening to somebody else, they were happening to us.  Possible past life memories aside, you definitely know that you have meet certain people in your life that are there for a purpose, that seem to be connected to a story much larger than your life, and somehow are intimately personal.

How do we explain that one?!

Indeed.  So are we the ones who have been programmed, or we the ones doing the programming?  Or both??

Definitely yes.  I don't think too many people will argue that one.

Yet also, I can remember reading stuff like:

"by 1998 we will all be living in this swirling mass of light and love where all of our thoughts and desired are instantly manifested."

Um. . OK Pleiadians, it's 2006, so what's up with that?  OK I'll admit that there seems to be a reduction, or a compression, of time between my intent and manifestation.  Sometimes it works better than others, and sometimes it would appear not to work at all.  But I dunno, is that just because I am gaining more experience, or is something larger at work?

Were the Pleiadians just yanking our chain?  Are we "behind schedule"?  Are we already in 4D yet behaving as if we are still in 3D?

Lately I tend toward the last viewpoint because it makes the most sense to me.  Making this transition, whatever you want to call it, universally involves, at a very deep level, the awareness that the transition has already occurred.

I think that there definitely is an element of "time speeding up" that occurs as a result of the natural aging process.  I can remember my parents telling me as a kid that time would go by faster as I grew older.  And it does.

Simultaneously, I think that there is something else going on which is causing time to speed up faster than we normally experience.  There is an acceleration going on.  A new dimension of movement that was not noticeable before.

Perhaps it can be measured.  The belief that the speed of time is constant is an assumption which has largely been disproven.  Time is a variable with many factors.  I think one of them has to do with [b]action density[b], which is a measure of how many actions take place during a given amount of time.  Think of how many more actions are taken in the world per second today as compared a hundred or a thousand years ago.  It is orders of magnitude in difference!

Then there also is this function of consciousness which can affect the perception of time.  There are countless documentations of evidence suggesting that people can perceive large amounts of time passing in a few moments (such as in near-death experiences), as well as perceiving time to slow down or even stop (such as in meditative practice).

Something I like to point out about the whole Mayan Calendar / 2012 prophecy is that there is a common translation of the term as the "End of the World" when a more correct translation is the "End of Time".

Well then you are one of the most intelligent fools I have ever talked to.

I think this is at least a two-fold situation.  First people throughout the ages have often believed they were in a time of change.  Prior to 1666, people thought that year would bring great change to the world.  Particularly because the numbers in the date; "666".  So 1666 came about and what happened?  The Great Fire of London, The Great Plauge, along side a lot of upheaval and change throughout Europe.  A lot of people believed that 1666 would signify the End of Time, etc.  Obviously that didn't happen.  But maybe some sort of “Shift"  did occur back then.  It was a time when science really started to replace religion and alchemy.  Look at the people that were around in that time period; Issac Newton, Leibniz, Robert Hooke all contributing toward the scientific revolution.  Then there were people like John Locke who had huge influence upon the way social philosophy developed.

In modern times the date people have settled on is 2012, so maybe something will happen - maybe it won't.  But then look at some of the craziness that surrounded the approach to 2000.  Nothing really happened.  At least nothing which people were expecting.

What I think we are seeing are "trigger" events, like 9/11, the London Bombings, the Tsunami, New Orleans, all of which are slowly pushing toward or at least contributing to a change or "shift" in consciousness.  Most of these time periods tend to mirror each other.  The 20th centaury seems to have had a huge share of these occurrences, one following the other...each one causing social reform, leading to a change in consciousness / awareness.

It's pretty easy to see many of the more subtle points that are changing around us year on year.  Deciding if they "mean" anything or are leading toward something is a very different matter.  My thoughts are that these changes and triggers are leading toward great change...just not necessarily in the manner many people seem to believe.

Ask any kid and they will tell you that a day is a very, very long time.  Heck even 5 minutes is an eternity for them.  Time is of course subjective as you pointed out.  We experience it different in childhood to adulthood.

That isn't to say time isn't speeding up...but how would you "prove" that sort of thing?  Like with many New Age theories, it isn't provable.  But the danger here is only relying upon what can be proven.  How do you prove your personal experiences?  How do you prove to another person that you have thoughts and a thinking voice in your head?  How do you prove that you can lucid dream, or that you have seen ghosts?

We are talking about two-different realms aren't we?  The physical everyday realm which everyone experiences - in which physical proof confirms things.  Then there is the non-physical world which only more "aware" people tend to experience.  Only personal awareness and experience can be your proof here, and it can only prove things to yourself.

The problem with this is that anyone can make up any mumbo-jumbo and claim to have personal experience which proves it.

So when you ask how do you know it isn't a bunch of hooey...it depends on whether it is something you want to put your "belief" in, or something which you feel you can gain an "awareness" of.  The two aren't mutually exclusive, and "belief" has a way of falling through the cracks in the floor.

George Noory told a story on Coast to Coast AM a while back about a famous psychic (can't remember her name) who predicted a big change, the end of the world.  I think this was back in the '80s.

The psychic never renegged on her prediction and warned people to ready themselves.  Of course they didn't.

Then the day came and...the psychic died.  Her world ended.  Apparently what she had predicted was the end of her life, but sensed it as the end of all life.

Adding another to my list: 

24.  Quoting/Extracting something and responding with something that doesn't match up to the quote.  The cousin to the "taking something out of context" fallacy.  This one is minor and is based more on either misunderstanding what was said, reading comprehension issues, or just flat out not taking the time to fully read what was said.   You'll see this most often with people who tend to rush and skim over posts, people who see what they want to see versus what's actually there, or when language is a barrier.   Can be frustrating as it completely derails and sidetracks a discussion.  The discussion then becomes about rectifying the miscommunication, which usually further leads to more miscommunication and frustration.  Talk about frustrating! 

Pictus!!!  I wasn't talking about you!    Aw, now I feel bad.  Actually, #24 was inspired by my misunderstanding with Bhang over in the Alex Jones on CNN thread.  http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 127#p36127

You're fine Pictus!  No worries! 

The irony though......#24, about misunderstandings...causes a misunderstanding!  ahhh!!    haha

Now, I will be aware of how to look at others. 

I'm looking less and less.

NR is so COOL.