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Re: What are you gonna miss the most . . . ?

PleiadianHealer wrote:
z3n3rg wrote:

But I'm looking forward to having a vessel that is capable of directly viewing that instead of it simply being imagination.

Awakening the third-eye will get you there.   I hope you do some research in that area, I look into it constantly myself.   Also, I plan to do a post on the first steps to awaken a person's clairvoyance.

That is exactly where the very specific free-will imposition comes into play.  Due to it's ongoing nature, however, I'm unable to comment further on it.

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Re: What are you gonna miss the most . . . ?

Nothing.

This reality is a mere shadow compared to what's coming next.

Things I'm looking forward to? Becoming a forest fire, or a bolt of lightning, the ocean where it meets the shore, or a cloud on a sunny day... And that's just the beginning.

The truth is that there is no way to "translate" ascention. The paradox is that the closer you become to explaining it, the further you are from truly translating it.

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GibbleTronic wrote:

The truth is that there is no way to "translate" ascention. The paradox is that the closer you become to explaining it, the further you are from truly translating it.

I like that. Might I modify it slightly? Hope you don't mind...

The truth is that there is no way to "translate" ascension. The paradox is that the closer you become to explaining it, the further you are from truly experiencing it.

Cool

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)

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Hourthirteen wrote:

I'd like to hear some ideas on just what 'ascension' is supposed to be like. You've all made this sound very interesting to me, but how are we supposed to know when we've 'arrived' in a new dimension? I really and truly am curious.
Peace,
Summer

You see the life in a kind word.

The earth beneath becomes your soul.

You comprehend the leaf which is attached to the tree, and when it falls to the ground as well.

You perceive the wind without feeling it.

The sky becomes your spectacles for the great beyond.

A star talks to you . . . and you understand.

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)

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I think all your replies are wonderful. They not only endear me to the awesome blessings which are given to us in this realm, but make me look forward to the coming one as well.

I was "picking" on z3n3rg a little because he hit a sore spot . . . something with which I've had a problem. But I've come to learn that "that which is taken away is not nearly as wonderful as that which replaces it". Thanks for reminding me.

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)

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Lemniscate wrote:

Just thought I'd throw this one out there . . .

When we "ascend", go to a higher dimension, or whatever, what things belonging to this plane of existence are you going to miss the most?

...Well, I'm unsure if ascending to a dimension higher than the Earth plane means you'll have to "leave" Earth.  In fact, if you accept that in fourth-density that time and space are easily, personally traversable, then you could come back to Earth any "time" you want perhaps.

How you interact with it (the Earth) I suppose is another matter, though.  But maybe it's still as real as it is now.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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It would be a cruel Shift that rips people away from their reality before they are ready to leave. That idea of the ascension never made sense to me. But if the Shift is more about having outgrown 3D reality, then there would be nothing to miss because one will have matured beyond attachment to illusory desires. I know people who would be absolutely miserable if they were forced to give up the perks of 3D, while others are so "over" this realm that 4D would be more suitable for them. In a freewill universe, the Shift would have to respect this. No sense leaving behind what you aren't ready to leave behind.

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These are the good old days! Things can only get better!

"The universe is on fire with wonder, beauty, and ecstasy." - From the Undines to Humanity

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The C's had alot to say on this topic, but I can't remember the exact quotes.   I do remember when they were questioned for details the C's would always say "wait and see".    They did mention that there will sort of conduits that will act as portals which in turn will help some to get there.   I can't go any further than this since I can't remember any more.

There's also a book out by Lyn Grabhorn, it's called "Earth 2: are you ready?", and SOME of what's in this book is probably true but not all of it.   I highly recommend it to those wishing to get a better idea of where we're going.    Between the C's and what Lyn has to say will probably fill in alot of gaps.

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I don't think we will miss anything at all. It will be so much better, and we might have enhanced senses, only we can look at/smell/experience whatever we want.
We will be able to have the best of both worlds, but we will experience things with less attachment, we will know that we are creating it, the nature of it, and we will
not be subject to illusions of imprisonment by our senses. However, we will never be able to go back to our naive state of blind belief in what we see. I don't think I will miss that ignorant state which causes such pain in the end, though.

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Outside the gates, YOU will look back as the concentration camp burns from Existence.

And ALL that YOU Love will at last be FREE

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Lemniscate wrote:

I was "picking" on z3n3rg a little because he hit a sore spot

Ah, see how you are.  tongue

I haven't thought about those things in awhile actually.  Your question brought them back to the front of my mind though.  At this point, if I was to win the lottery or something those would be the last things on my mind.  The mass majority of any money would be spent on buying out the seekers' physical freedom so they can concentrate on what's trully important for them.  That's been a stated goal of mine for many years now.  I've been surprised at the sheer amount of 'coincidences' that come forth to ensure I don't get near that goal. 

As far as what it would be like the Operation Terra stuff has what might be a good preview.  I got my issues with the overall message of the OT material but descriptions of 4d kind of rang true.  Let's see what others think.  I'll go grab some quotes...

Today we would like to take you on a guided tour of Terra, so that you will have some idea of your destination and will then be able to relate better to the changes you are experiencing as you transform yourselves into those beings you will express as in the Terran landscape. We begin our tour from space, where we see Terra gleaming as a perfect blue pearl in the "sky" [of space]. She inspires love just to look at her. She gleams with an "un-Earthly" light, as she is now glorified beyond your ability to imagine. To physical eyes, she would appear as a blue-white star, but to those eyes that can see at the finer levels of reality, she is radiant and welcoming to all those who operate on the frequencies of Love.

Extraordinary light streams from her, for at this stage she does not reflect light (as in her present state), but radiates it. (You will all be very radiant, too!) We hear a sound. It is exquisite--the "music of the spheres." It is the sound that every planet makes when it is totally harmonized with its place in the cosmos. To your present state of mind, it would sound truly "heavenly." When you are there, you will "live heaven"; your moment-to-moment experience will be that you are in "heaven," as it can be glimpsed through the shadows of your present state of awareness.

Drawing in closer now, we are struck by the fact that everything on the surface of the planet--its trees, animals, birds, fish in the oceans, but also the trees and flowers, even the air itself--is radiant with beauty, peace, and harmony. It is the crowning of Earth's own exploration of her theme of "seeking harmony in diversity." Every atom of this reality is in full consciousness, is fully aware of every other atom in that reality and consciously cooperating with the whole. It is like many voices merged into one glorious song.

To grasp an inkling of how pervasive this level of cooperation is, suppose that at some future moment, you would experience the desire for a piece of fruit from some particular tree that you will pass. That tree would put forth a blossom and form that fruit in such a way that it will be at its moment of perfect ripeness just as you pass by and put up your hand for it. Actually, a measure of the same thing happens to you now, but there is so much "static" on the line, so to speak, that you are not aware of it. Everything always is and has been coordinated perfectly, but we digress. On Terra, all IS the expression of unobstructed perfection. Everything is raised and glorified to its most exalted physical expression.

This is a physical world, or at least it is experienced that way. You will do the same types of things that you do now, but you will do them in a perfected way. You will still eat, make love, sleep, meditate, have pursuits that please you, but you will not be restricted by the constraints of an economic system that seeks only to take from you. In the perfected level of cooperation that exists on Terra, all parts support all the other parts. There is no poverty, disease, or dying in the sense that you now experience. When you eat a piece of fruit, it merges with you and becomes you, so it has not died; it has only changed form.

You will all be immortal beings. You will simply change form also, but you will do it without needing to "die and be reborn." You will be able to transition from one adult form to another. There will be children born on Terra. There will be families. But the children being born will be the projections of those souls whose third-density vehicles were shed and who "qualify" for fourth-density existence. Once they are "born" into fourth density, they need never "die" again. They will simply move on to other realms of experience and service. The rate of reproduction on Terra is precisely balanced with the harmony of the whole. Not one leaf, fruit, or child comes into that world that is not in keeping with the harmony of the whole. There is no excess; there is no lack. As expressed in your tale of Goldilocks [and the Three Bears], it will be "just right."

As we said in our last message, you will operate from an inner knowing of what is "right." Terra will function as one giant organism, with each of the forms that exist on her functioning perfectly as part of that organism, just as the cells in a perfectly healthy body carry out their roles in harmony with the whole. Some things will seem like they are simply higher versions, more perfected versions, of things you are already familiar with. People will still make love, for example, but no child will be conceived until it is the perfect moment for that to occur. You will be totally free to explore your sexual expression without fear of unwanted consequences. There is no death or disease on Terra, no need for protection from unwanted conditions. Everything proceeds in harmony with the whole. You are totally free to create whatever you wish, but you will only want to create in harmony with the whole.

Terra will be the garden spot of the galaxy, a living "school" in which the various cultures of the galaxy will be able to experience living in harmony with others who are very different from themselves. There will be distinct communities of every type of being that qualifies for Terran life. Each community will have its own ways, its own cultural predilections. One will be able to tour these different "villages" and experience the different cultural flavors that exist in the galaxy, and see how they can all relate to one another in harmony and peace.

Terra is the crown jewel of the galaxy, at least that portion of it that is functioning as fourth-density positive. There is a vibrational "barrier" at these higher levels that prevents any being or lifeform from entering the Terran space if that lifeform is not "qualified" by its own energy to do so. That is why you will not see disease-producing organisms there. They are the stuff of lower frequencies and are of the negative polarity expression, which has to do with entropy and death. Those who choose the negative polarity will have an abundance of death and disease, but they will have their own version of Earth to explore. Terra is not available to them.

So what will you do with yourselves? For one thing, you will travel a great deal. You will travel from one community to another, and to different spots in the galaxy that serve your further exploration and experience of life. You see, Terra will not have drama anymore. It will be very "tame," compared to your present experience. There will not be any mountains, as mountains occur only when there is tension and collision between the crustal plates. The present Earth has such monuments to the strains she has been put under, but on Terra, all of these will be smoothed out. The surface will be even and sculpted into the most beautiful gardens. Even the atmosphere will be in harmony. There will only be gentle rains--no thunderstorms. You may want to travel to other places to experience some of the excitement that such dramatic displays provide. You will be totally free to find whatever pleases you to experience, both on the planet and off of it.

http://www.operationterra.com/Messages/tour5_.html

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z3n3rg wrote:

[The mass majority of any money would be spent on buying out the seekers' physical freedom so they can concentrate on what's trully important for them.  That's been a stated goal of mine for many years now.  I've been surprised at the sheer amount of 'coincidences' that come forth to ensure I don't get near that goal.

Hmmmm . . . coincidence, or design? Though a noble idea, I've had the same thing occurring. But when I start feeling frustrated as a result, the answer I get back is "crutch". And I know I've had to learn to back off from people lives in the past because of just that . . . I was becoming a crutch in their growing process.

I know a lot of people (including me) who have come out much better and stronger for having less. I guess that's the proverbial question: at what point do you step in and assist, facilitate their growth, and at what point do you step back and allow them to experience? I'm still learning...

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)

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Lemniscate wrote:
z3n3rg wrote:

[The mass majority of any money would be spent on buying out the seekers' physical freedom so they can concentrate on what's trully important for them.  That's been a stated goal of mine for many years now.  I've been surprised at the sheer amount of 'coincidences' that come forth to ensure I don't get near that goal.

Hmmmm . . . coincidence, or design? Though a noble idea, I've had the same thing occurring. But when I start feeling frustrated as a result, the answer I get back is "crutch". And I know I've had to learn to back off from people lives in the past because of just that . . . I was becoming a crutch in their growing process.

I know a lot of people (including me) who have come out much better and stronger for having less. I guess that's the proverbial question: at what point do you step in and assist, facilitate their growth, and at what point do you step back and allow them to experience? I'm still learning...

I've read over what you said several times now and come up with a different response each time.  I have to assume that by "crutch" you are specifically referring to the lessons provided by a job, provided by a lack of time, or provided by a lack of 3d energy (money).  I just erased my last response and will add some other thoughts here.  Maybe we can hammer something out.

It certainly seems like these coincidences are directly caused by negative influences.  Of course, negative influences are our catalyst for growth.  But the point here is a bit sticky in my mind.  If they don't want us to facilitate people like Tom so he can concentrate fully on the work he's doing for others, then is that a sign that the direction is something that would actually help or can we say it would in fact be a crutch for Tom.  (Sorry Tom, you are the closest example)

Is there a point where buying out someone's freedom not a crutch to that person?  I can only really answer that for myself.  I would be in a much better position to accelerate my learning if I wasn't always stuck with either a lack of time or lack of money.  But I cannot say the same for another.

Does this mean that I should seek to be of service to others in only advancing my own understanding and sharing when asked?

But alas, it does look like I'll never get that opportunity anyway.  So maybe it's all a moot point and I should just "give up" so-to-speak and just give knowledge/understanding when asked and forget about the rest.  I just have a difficult time reconciling that because I get the feeling there are many seekers out there that haven't the ability to get access to what I've been able to.  And back and forth it goes.  What's the lesson here for me I wonder?

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Here is a classic one from the Ra Material, previously mentioned:

Questioner: Thank you. Is it possible for you to give a short description of
the conditions in the fourth density?

Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider as we speak that there are not words
for positively describing fourth density. We can only explain what is not
and approximate what is. Beyond fourth density our ability grows more
limited until we become without words.

That which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. It is not
of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. It is not of
disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not
within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.

Approximations of positive statements: it is a plane of type of bipedal
vehicle which is much denser and more full of life; it is a plane wherein one
is aware of the thought of other-selves; it is a plane wherein one is aware of
vibrations of other-selves; it is a plane of compassion and understanding of
the sorrows of third density; it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light; it
is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although
automatically harmonized by group consensus.

[...]

The fourth-density is one of revealed information. Selves are
not hidden to self or other-selves. The imbalances or distortions which are
of a destructive nature show, therefore, in more obvious ways, the vehicle of
the mind/body/spirit complex thus acting as a teaching resource for self
revelation. These illnesses such as cancer are correspondingly very amenable
to self-healing once the mechanism of the destructive influence has been
grasped by the individual.

[...]

The fourth-density, as we have said, abounds in compassion.
This compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. It is the
salvation of third-density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of
the entity.

[...]

Questioner: Is it necessary to eat food in fourth density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Questioner: The mechanism of, shall we say, social catalyst due to a
necessity for feeding the body then is active in fourth-density. Is this
correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The fourth-density being desires to serve and
the preparation of foodstuffs is extremely simple due to increased
communion between entity and living foodstuff. Therefore, this is not a
significant catalyst but rather a simple precondition of the space/time
experience. The catalyst involved is the necessity for the ingestion of
foodstuffs. This is not considered to be of importance by fourth-density
entities and it, therefore, aids in the teach/learning of patience.

Questioner: Could you expand a little bit on how that aids in the
teach/learning of patience?

Ra: I am Ra. To stop the functioning of service-to-others long enough to
ingest foodstuffs is to invoke patience.

[...]

Questioner: You stated previously that fifth-density entities bear a
resemblance to those of us in third density on planet Earth but fourth
density does not. Could you describe the fourth-density entities and tell me
why they do not resemble us?

Ra: I am Ra. The description must be bated under the Law of Confusion.
The cause for a variety of so-called physical vehicles is the remaining variety
of heritages from second-density physical vehicular forms. The process of
what you call physical evolution continues to hold sway into fourth density.
Only when the ways of wisdom have begun to refine the power of what you
may loosely call thought is the form of the physical complex manifestation
more nearly under the direction of the consciousness.

[...]

The necessity for graduation to fourth density is an ability to use, welcome,
and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the one infinite Creator. In
your own terms at your space/time nexus this ability may be measured by
your previously stated percentages of service.

Prior to the veiling process the measurement would be that of an entity
walking up a set of your stairs, each of which was imbued with a certain
quality of light. The stair upon which an entity stopped would be either
third-density light or fourth-density light. Between the two stairs lies the
threshold. To cross that threshold is difficult. There is resistance at the edge,
shall we say, of each density. The faculty of faith or will needs to be
understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which
seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do
their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.