31 (edited by z3n3rg 2006-04-17 04:16:50)

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Here's the link I always use.  http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

And for Thomas specifically.  http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html

Here's the best interpretations I currently have for this particular verse.

The dead are not alive, and the living will not die.  During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive.

¤ The physical realm is what is meant by "dead".  1d through 4d.
¤ The spirit realm is what is living.  5d through 7d.
¤ The dead are not alive. = The physical is not the spiritual.
¤ The living will not die. = The spiritual is eternal.
¤ When you ate what is dead you made it come alive. = When you incarnated in the physical (ate what is dead) you infused it with spirit.  Your vibration is felt by all that you come into contact with.

When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?

¤ When you are light what will you do? = When the physical realm is gone what will you do?  How attached are you to the physical?
¤ On the day when you were one, you became two. = You found yourself naked in spirit and choose to come into the physical to experience it.
¤ But when you become two, what will you do? = When you are in the physical what will you do?  Will you live from the spirit?  Will you shine for all to see?  Or will you become what is dead?  Will you take the physical as all there is and forget your home?

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty.

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But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty.

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A: Life is religion.

Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the "past." People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the "Future."
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33 (edited by visavis 2006-04-17 10:15:14)

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pocketable-L wrote:

".... Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower..."

Let me step away for a minute and look at this with fresh eyes.  Up to "and the upper like the lower", it sounds like the author is talking about 'coalescing' your concsiousness in truth, and living with a good dose of connection to and communiction with your Higher Self.

pocketable-L wrote:

", and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter (the kingdom)."

Crazy idea:  Starting with "and when you make male and female into one..." it sounds like a cloning gray-type agenda.  Does it not?  Think about it objectively.  I'm sorry if the Gospel of Thomas is too sacrosanct to be interepreted this way, but there is some plausibility to it.  There are forces at work removing the sexuality from human beings.  There are more boys with undescended testes these days that you can shake a stick at.  Male impotence (caused by physical and cultural problems) is at an all-time high and is increasing all the time.  Lesbianism is uber-glorified and worshiped.  So, we can see this is happening.  So, clearly, our natural sexuality is being removed from us.  But I ask, is it paving a way for "entering the kingdom?"  Or, is it the result of manipulation and things gone awry?

When you ate what is dead you made it come alive. = When you incarnated in the physical (ate what is dead) you infused it with spirit.  Your vibration is felt by all that you come into contact with.

This makes sense.  I admit I was looking for a more esoteric sort of meaning.

They will become merely a dream in the "past."

Oh, ok.  So, souled humans which are infinite and go on learning for life after life... because they operated in fear in one lifetime and did not live life in a way to fully interact with God, they "become merely a dream in the 'past'."  Their "worlds will cease", plural, inferring multiple realms of existence.  So, essentially they lose their beingness in the present; they lose their soul.  That's what's being inferred.  Sorry, maybe I'm too dim to understand it, but I just don't buy it.

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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So, clearly, our natural sexuality is being removed from us.  But I ask, is it paving a way for "entering the kingdom?"  Or, is it the result of manipulation and things gone awry?

Jesus spoke about 5d, which was the level his learning was at.  The soul is neither male nor female.  His words have nothing to do with agendas being played out on humanity on the 3d level.


They will become merely a dream in the "past."

Oh, ok.  So, souled humans which are infinite and go on learning for life after life... because they operated in fear in one lifetime and did not live life in a way to fully interact with God, they "become merely a dream in the 'past'."  Their "worlds will cease", plural, inferring multiple realms of existence.  So, essentially they lose their beingness in the present; they lose their soul.  That's what's being inferred.  Sorry, maybe I'm too dim to understand it, but I just don't buy it.

¤ Those who are asleep
¤ Those of little faith
¤ Overcome life
¤ Ignore life
¤ Shut out life

It doesn't mention one life-time.  "One life-time" is a fear-based religious interpretation perpetuated on mankind to keep control.

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visavis wrote:

Sorry, maybe I'm too dim to understand it, but I just don't buy it.

Too dim ? I think you understand a lot more than i did ...

pocketable-L wrote:

", and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter (the kingdom)."

visavis wrote:

Crazy idea:  Starting with "and when you make male and female into one..." it sounds like a cloning gray-type agenda.  Does it not?  Think about it objectively.  I'm sorry if the Gospel of Thomas is too sacrosanct to be interepreted this way, but there is some plausibility to it.  There are forces at work removing the sexuality from human beings.  There are more boys with undescended testes these days that you can shake a stick at.  Male impotence (caused by physical and cultural problems) is at an all-time high and is increasing all the time.  Lesbianism is uber-glorified and worshiped.  So, we can see this is happening.  So, clearly, our natural sexuality is being removed from us.  But I ask, is it paving a way for "entering the kingdom?"  Or, is it the result of manipulation and things gone awry?.

If this is the scenario that Jesus had in mind, we're on the right track !



With male-female thing, maybe he meant more the masculine and the feminine ... ?

This does remind me i shouldn't quote things i don't understand big_smile

"I've had a traumatic youth.
My father drank.


And my mother ate."                                       

Kama

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z3n and pocketable,

It's food for thought for me.  I respect your points of view.  More insight is needed by me, I feel, before I can comment further. 

Pocketable - I'm glad you quoted that.  It's fun to quote things we don't understand, especially if our intent is to ponder...

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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I used to do Qigong and got pretty far into it, then the Master had the class do some exercises I didn't like, for example imagining the faces of important historical figures and manipulating them as if they were under my control.  Whether that idea seemed like slavery, idol-worship or whatever, I didn't like it, and soon the Master was saying good-bye to me.  But I had some interesting experiences there, like going a week without food -- only water and not much of that -- and not feeling a bit hungry after the first day.  That was more than 10 years ago.

In the past couple of years, I've noticed that I have a spot slightly behind the top of my skull, that stays open and seems a bit soft, like an opening in the skull.  I feel energy flow thru there, which I first felt when doing Qigong.  But now there's a "wound" there in the skin that never quite heals and sometimes it re-opens a bit, sometimes it heals up a bit.

Lately I've found that I can access the third eye -- I guess that's what it is -- if I lie in bed and really relax my eyes and have a really non-anticipatory attitude (just observing).  Sometimes I get an interesting movie there.  I've seen the matrix, I've seen little green men, odd three-dimensional shapes.  If I'm being attacked or for whatever reason feel anxious, I see yellow around me.  If I can calm down, I start to see better colors like green or blue, then start to see some interesting patterns, maybe then a "movie" i.e. get to watch something interesting.  If I can get into this state, I can always fall asleep easily, so it's become my usual bedtime ritual.

Think I'll see a "movie" tonight! big_smile

But some people say the third eye can see auras.  I see another world (or worlds?), with generally only creatures that one doesn't meet in 3D, but I have never seen auras.

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There is an article that can be found in the archives on www.redicecreations.com pertaining to a study whereby Fluoride is found to accumulate within/around the pineal gland making it 'hard' and unhealthy.