Pot Smoking and Other Spiritual Hazards (Page 1 of 6)

Hear hear!

There are a great many beliefs in the mass consciousness around the human body's "frailty", mankind's ineptitude, our "mere" and "small" power to determine our lives for ourselves... I guess it makes sense to those who believe in the less-ness of the human form to also cling tightly to the idea that everything else that makes us who we are is also barely hanging onto a tentative thread of integrity, vitality or inherent power.

My own sense of body and spirit is that it is by far more robust, self-healing and tenacious than anything else we find in nature. What's fragile, it seems, is the human mind. You know... the one that takes on these false beliefs and fervently lives by - or should I say fears - them as truth.

Much of the "bad behavior", "bad substance", "bad person" stuff must have its roots in religion and of course the supplanted predator mind, it seems to me. As I read through your post what popped in is that all of what you objected to in it seems to stem from - archetypally, symbolically, perhaps - the insidious and covert fingers of "original sin" energies. It grabs even the most free thinkers of the population, sadly.

It has simply never been about punishment/reward, right/wrong, good/bad... but it's a tough nut to crack for most human minds (and hyperdimensional ones, I'd wager), it seems. Do/go/try what/where you're drawn, there is nothing outside a divine life. That... is... the... point.

You will naturally move away from what's not for you and stick with what is, provided - and it's a huge proviso, apparently - you face life with the awareness that it's yours. You're here exploring. You have the inherent right and power to make choices, change your mind, detour, accelerate or whatever you deem appropriate for you.

Sometimes it helps to heed the words of one who has been where you're just embarking. But in this world... more and more I tend to feel you're better off gathering your own experiences and determining what's what for yourself. There are so many sticky beliefs and false causes for caution in so many... we're not that frail, folks. We're not that dumb, either. If we allow ourselves, we know what we know for ourselves, and we often choose it without realizing it. Support your choices.

Sovereign be, tenetnosce!

(huh... would you look at that? Wasn't planning my own rant, honest! LOL!)

You have to remember that Stuart's talking about your etheric body being damaged by pot.   And until you can "see" this etheric body you can't say either way, if it does you good or not.    When and if you raise yourself to be able to see this etheric body, THEN you'll be able to decide from a more informed point-of-view.

I know plenty of people that disagree with Stu, not on just this subject but a few other ones of his too, and all those people are not taking into account that they do not see this etheric body.

Ok, I'm done.   I got this strange feeling that everything I just said is going to be completely ignored.   

If you want to smoke pot, smoke it!    Have fun, enjoy life... get high and laugh.... (you see I made you feel better already!).

I think you make a good point, and I'm certainly not going to ignore it.

My response is, actually, yes, I can see etheric bodies, but I don't practice much because I haven't found it to be a particulary useful skill.

Secondly, whether or not I can see my etheric body, I can feel my etheric body.  I know what people are referring to.  I can feel it all the time.  Yes, drugs change it's form.  Yes, you can become more vulnerable to negs.  But that is all nullified by awareness. 

Oops!  My energy feels off!  Why don't I take a moment to ground and clear myself. 

I know that I'm gonna get a little tipsy tonight, so I am going to be extra vigilant for negative greetings and I am going to watch my words carefully. 

Drunkeness can be a meditation, just like any other experience.

Hi tenetnosce,

My feeling is that if you are sensitive enough to see, feel, or be aware of the health of the etheric body and can manage it on your own, that's pretty neat and amazing to me.   So if you're sure that really in a position of control like that, do what you like! 

Personally, I'm not quite there myself, and my own gut instinct is that I need to stay away from pot and certain other drugs for now.   And if other people who also are not able to see the etheric or whatever-other bodies may be involved ask whether they should smoke pot, I would think unless they really feel a need to do it for some reason, chances are they're better off without it.  But that's just based on practical considerations: my own research indicates that there IS such a thing as an etheric and it CAN be damaged.   So why chance it?     

This is NOT to say it's "unspiritual" or any of that nonsense.   Anyone who presumes to cast judgement on someone ELSE'S spiritual progress is probably pretty far off the path themselves!  Spirituality is about your relationship to the divine ... period.  No one else's business.

Whether or not to smoke pot is a practical and physical decision.  The only potential spiritual problem I can see with it is that if you know or have good reason to believe that you are damaging yourself and do it anyway, well maybe that's no good.  But again, that's between you and the divine, and not for anyone else on Earth to comment on.

Amen brother.  Well just look at the logic there and even a blind person could realize its just because that crap is being pushed as yet another religion.  Same back-asswards dogma, different day.  Their logic has all the consistency and solidity of jello, the trademark of any religion.

It ain't the damn pot.  It's when a fool smokes it who doesn't have their **** together.

My belief is that they are vulnerable to begin with.  Any substance like pot/mushrooms opens you up to things you don't normally perceive.  I was once told, the first time I tried LSD, that it's simply going to amplify whatever I'm feeling to begin with.  So thats a perfect example here, can be used with any "drug" really.  If someone is already vulnerable to these sorts of things, of course it'll just amplify that tendency when you do the drug.

Just like some little chicky who goes to a bar, gets sloshed and gets date-raped.  Do I feel sorry for her?  Yeah, sorta.  But don't blame it on the liquor.  If she ever had a drink before, she knew what the possibilities and consequences were.  And if she's ever met a person before, she knows what the possibilities are there too.  So I say either she's a complete fool for putting herself in that position in the first place, or deep down she really wanted to be victimized...

And I don't care what the damn psychologists say.  Thats the way it is.

It ain't the pot.  It ain't the liquor.  It ain't the crack.  ITS YOU.

PS: Montalk that wasnt to debate you.  I'm actually agreeing with you, just taking it a step further.  Those people are more vulnerable on the drugs, as you said.  But it isnt the drugs, is the main point I'm making.

PPS:  The fact that they are heavy drug users indicates to me a huge, gaping hole in their etheric to begin with ;-)

wonderful insights as always everyone

Could you explain what you mean by a 'vector' of attack in this context please. Do you mean that by being less in touch with themselves at that moment, another entity is able to manipulate them into acting in some way that causes a disruption in the energy of the room and has a negative impact on other people present.

The reason i ask, is having been a heavy pot smoker for the last few years i have become increasingly what could be termed as 'paranoid' around others when i smoke. I use the term paranoid with a pinch of bud as it feels more like some higher power somehow shifts the conversation very subtlely to point out my insecurity's. I know that i should stop smoking for a while etc, but what i have been trying to work out is exactly what could be happening metephysicaly. Are my insecurity's going through somesort of mirrored amplicifation(sic) or is there other forces at work.

Thanks for any ideas.

I think too many have just read from some Guru that pot does damages a persons aura and leaves them vulnerable to outside entities and just repeat the meme without any true knowledge. Of course sometimes that may well be case but as others have said its all about the person not the drug.
When i get drunk i get funny, others get violent, that violence was already in the person the alcohol did not create it. Maybe the demons are already inside us so you wont escape them by not smoking pot.
I have noticed  that many of the people who warn against pot are into channeling or major false beliefs and such which IMO is potentially far more dangerous than pot, you can still be in control when you are stoned.
When you smoke pot you are still you, its where you go and what you do with the experience which is fundamental.

Not smoked it for a few years now but i can say i have not been possesed and my aura feels strong.