Topic: More on abductions

Nearly every alien abduction account I've read involves sleep paralysis. So I searched the Cass channelings for references to sleep paralysis and I found just one transcipt that implies that etheric abductions are done during sleep paralysis. Or that during sleep paralysis one can become aware of an etheric abduction. Obviously not all etheric abductions are done during sleep paralysis, and not all cases of sleep paralysis are abductions. So how are we to 'know' what is an abduction and what is simply sleep paralysis hallucination? I guess I'm just trying to figure out the connection between abductions and paralysis.

I get sleep paralysis pretty often so it's no big deal. I even find it interesting and entertaining most of the time. However there was only one occasion that I can clearly label as a possible abduction attempt. I was dreaming that I was sitting smoking a cigarette when all of a sudden there was an intense malevolent presence in the room. It was so intense that in my dream I fell backwards out of my chair onto the floor. At that point the 'dream' ended but I was paralyzed and found myself fighting off these shadow figures that were trying to grab me. Now, I consider myself very experienced with sleep paralysis and that was the only time I felt a distinct presence of another entity along with the hallucinations. This actually happened a couple years ago during my time of 'awakening' so it may indeed have been an abduction attempt.

Now, here are my observations:
1. Physical abductions are very rare.
2. Nearly all abduction accounts involve sleep paralysis.
3. During sleep paralysis, one can be aware of an etheric abduction attempt.
4. All abduction accounts that involve sleep paralysis involve symptoms associated with separation of physical and etheric body, such as electrical buzzing and pressure on one's body.

Many many years ago, before it was known what sleep paralysis was, many people described being frozen and wrestling with figures that they thought were demons or witches. They described being choked and unable to breathe, which is the pressure on the body I just mentioned above. So I see two possibilities: Either Western culture has replaced demons with aliens and they are simply hallucinations, or our culture is more aware of the alien presence and thus they conclude that the entities they encounter during sleep paralysis are aliens.

What I'm really trying to do here, is fit the etheric abduction into a reliable profile so that maybe we can be aware of it if it happens again. There are some very paranoid people who think simply because they have sleep paralysis they are being abducted. There are others who think it is all simply hallucination 100% of the time. I think the 'gray' area in between is where you'll find the truth. From my own experience I believe the distinct 'presence' of another entity is part of it. Any other observations?

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seeker wrote:

So how are we to 'know' what is an abduction and what is simply sleep paralysis hallucination?

I think a persons mental (emotional stability) and physical (balanced blood chemical levels) health is one major indicator.  Hallucinations are "perceptions of objects with no reality usu. arising from disorder of the nervous system or in response to drugs (as LSD)" (dictionary definition), and the end product of the hallucination could be an autonomic nervous system reaction, the paralysis... and this type of interaction will happen to a person asleep or not, but then again so can abductions happen while not asleep...  there certainly are first person accounts of abductions happening while awake. The only way a person has any clue that something has gone wrong is because they've "lost time", therefore they also have been paralyzed, though not by an unhealthy nervous system. In the case of the healthy person what appears as an hallucination, something not of this world, is something not of this world, yet still real.  Sticky-wicket isn't it? 

Is hallucination the proper word choice in referring to abductions?   I'm certainly not picking on you here seeker, and also not inferring that you're unhealthy because you are "very experienced with sleep paralysis", but the words hallucination and paranoia refer to unhealthy mental and physical states of being.  Ironically, almost every time I think I've been abducted since I've "awoken" I first think I'm just being paranoid, and then later find out I wasn't being paranoid at all.  I think a paranoid reaction to abduction would be not allowing oneself to sleep because "tonight could be the night I get abducted again".  Have I thought about staying awake all night before?  You bet I have.  Have I ever?  No.  It wouldn't likely make a difference anyway.

A number of years ago (I think I mentioned this elsewhere), thinking I was verging on lunacy, I rather worriedly marched myself off to a shrink to find out for sure just how healthy I was.  The blood chem tests came back normal and the shrink told me that given my history I was really coping rather well... could she explain definitively, as a doctor, what was happening with me?  No.  Does that make it a hallucination?

So just what we do call those dark shadowy figures seen attacking us?  What do we call the process that resembles hallucination even though it doesn't emanate from ones physiology?  The only thing I've ever been able to call it is a "knowing", maybe that is the only way we can 'know' as you write in your question.  And the only way we do know is through experience and/or the sharing of knowledge... you've posed a very good question, and for a very good reason.


seeker wrote:

I guess I'm just trying to figure out the connection between abductions and paralysis.


In the explanation of your dream you commented--


seeker wrote:

At that point the 'dream' ended but I was paralyzed and found myself fighting off these shadow figures that were trying to grab me.


So even during the paralyzation you were actively fighting off the "shadow figures", can you imagine the bopping in the nose you'd be giving them if you weren't paralyzed?  And seeker, if you weren't paralyzed?, my money would be on YOU winning, and just as I "know" this... so do the abductors.  As a dear friend tells me "they're just big bullies".  They HAVE TO paralyze in order to abduct, at least with aware folk they have to.

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3 (edited by montalk 2004-07-07 13:09:52)

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Good question, Seeker. Here's my take on the issue of sleep paralysis and abductions:

Sleep paralysis by itself involves waking up while your physical and etheric bodies are still in their deep-sleep state, meaning slightly separated and therefore more loosely connected than when fully awake. This is a state of trance, a pre-condition for astral projection and seeing with your etheric eyes through closed eyelids. I've done this a few times, holding my etheric arms in front of my physical eyes and being able to see right through them, as well as seeing through my etheric eyes at the room around me even though my physical eyelids were closed.

Now, regarding abductions, it's very difficult - if not impossible - for an etheric abduction to happen while you are fully up and about your daily activities. They can't just yank your etheric body and soul from your physical body while both are tightly held together. So sleep would be necessary for this. If they want to take you while awake, they have to knock you out and paralyze you first.

During sleep, the physical body automatically enters paralysis to decouple from the etheric body and thus give it (and the assemblage point) more freedom, and also to prevent the physical body from acting out dreams which could be dangerous (sleepwalking happening when that safety mechanism fails). What we call "sleep paralysis" would be mentally waking up during one of these times instead of submerged in a dream state. So then our physical body is paralyzed, our etheric body is loose, and we have access to etheric vision.

So the question is, why do we wake up into a state of sleep paralysis? For some people, this might happen naturally. But think about it - if a soul abduction were about to occur, what if the alarm bells go off and you get shaken out of your dream stupor, right into your etheric self and are thus able to perceive and interact with your abductors? Or perceive the attempted soul abduction process itself?

My guess on how to tell plain sleep paralysis from a soul abduction would be this: once you mentally wake up, what then happens? If nothing happens, you feel a little scared but that's about it, then perhaps it's nothing significant.  But if you then perceive malevolent beings around you, any sort of sucking or spinning motions, something tugging at you, then that's probably an attempted soul abduction.  Most people sleep right through it, their etheric bodies getting vacuumed or gently drifted to 4D for some tweaking. From what I've heard and read, you can fight these things off if you're lucky enough to wake up while it's beginning.

As for physical abductions, they would have to paralyze you too. Maybe using the same process that leads to natural sleep paralysis. The C's described the process as "electronic wave diversion" which sounds to me like temporarily cutting the line between volitional signals from the brain and body.

Paranoid hallucination may be involved if things are purely psychological, but often sleep paralysis includes real sensations and possible physiological after effects - maybe animals act strange thereafter, or you still sense something even after coming out of sleep paralysis. If someone were schizo, then maybe I'd question his perceptions. But sleep paralysis happens mostly to sane and stable people.

Since the etheric realm interpenetrating our physical plane if rich with critters, I'd say that most accounts of people wrestling with beings while under sleep paralysis is probably real fights with real intelligences. But not all of them are aliens, perhaps some are discarnate entities, succubi, demonic forms, etc... It's the alien ones that try to pull you out, however. The others just latch on, suffocate, scare, etc... to feed on your fear.

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4 (edited by Auendove 2004-07-07 14:50:00)

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Hi ya montalk!

You write--

The C's described the process as "electronic wave diversion" which sounds to me like temporarily cutting the line between volitional signals from the brain and body.

Can you expound on this, especially about the "volitional signals from the brain and body"?  How does this work?  Do you think maybe the cornflower blue markings, what the C's described as EM bursts to deflect abduction/attack, are a physical manifestation of an attempted physical abduction?

I'm asking that last question because of the similarity between "electronic wave diversion" and EM "electro-magnetic" energy bursts.

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Hi seeker (and all),

I almost wasn't going to post this, but then I decided to....and with pictures.  woohoo!   Starting in 2002, going well into 2003, I was experiencing a LOT of what could be called "etheric abductions."   Growing up, I'd never heard of such a thing, as all UFO / alien material focuses on the physical.   I didn't even know such a thing was possible, and I didn't believe it the first few times I heard about it, it was just beyond my scope of reality.  But after learning about it, and comparing my experiences to what the symptoms are supposed to be.....most of which are included in seeker's post......I realize now that this is very real, and it's probably what was / is happening to me.

Rather than rehashing what's already been talked about here, I just wanted to post some pics of markings that appeared on my arm on separate occasions after *failed*  etheric abduction attempts, and talk about what specifically happened during these encounters.   I hope this can be helpful to whoever reads it.   

I have many pics in my log book, all dated and orgranized with explanations, for the various phenomenon I've experienced.   I have many like the photos I'm posting here, ie, purplish circles on my arms, but only these two photos / occasions match up with what I know for a fact to be etheric abduction attempts.   Other times I discovered purplish circles I woke up with them, sooooo....I can't directly correlate them to an etheric abduction.............although the fact that I went to bed with a spot free arm but woke with a mark(s) says it all.   But still, for technicalities sake, I will only post photos of the two marks I know to be directly connected to etheric abduction attempts.

Photo 1:  February 15,2003:   When I went to go to bed this night, something didn't feel right with me.  Had a slightly fearful feeling, although I did my best to squelch it down.   Fell asleep, but "awoke" like an hour later, laying on my stomache, my head faced to the left, with the sounds of wind whipping around, and me spinning clockwise, around and around and around.  Everything was getting faster and faster, the spinning, the wind, all the while as I laid there, paralyzed, and unable to snap out of it.   The wind got so crazy that I had the sensation of my hair blowing all over the place, and I was actually getting sick from all the spinning.   It finally culminated with me screaming out in my mind "NOOOOOOOOOO!"  which actually had this bizarre, echo effect happening on top of the wind.   Finally I yanked myself free from the spinning and wind, or, "unparalyzed myself".  I "turned" and looked over my left shoulder and was started to see the image of.......a deer?  I thought.   No....I realized it looked more like a giraffe.  A big giraffe face, starting right at me, in my face.   !?!?!   I mentally jumped, startled.   Now, when I say "turned" and "jumped", I didn't do it physically.   I was like I wasn't fully in my body, because I didn't feel the covers or the bed.   So I think I was out of my body, seeing the image in the astral or something, although despite being outside of my body I had the ability for clear headed, rational thought, was very alert.   Then I was back in my body again, and could feel the covers and bed.   The kicker is, when I slipped back into my body, I didn't know where I was for a second or two.   Total disorientation.   I didn't recognize my surroundings.   It took me a couple of seconds to fully fit back in, remember where I was, WHO I was, and what was happening.  My heart was racing and my nerves were standing on end and even now, I could STILL hear the remnants of the wind whooshing noise around me, despite being wide awake and back in my body.   It was whooshing over my bed, this way and that.   I actually had to pull the covers over my head to drown out the wind noise, like AHHH!  SHUT UP!!!   I need to get back to sleep!!! 

This mark was on my arm afterwards.

http://64.177.61.22/astralmark1.jpg

Photo 2:  March 27, 2003:   I had laid down for a nap at around 2 in the afternoon and again, something tried to yank me out of my body.   I began rapidly spining in circles, with wind blowing around and a slight tugging going on.   I kept yanking myself out of it, or, detaching myself from whatever was doing this, then try to fall back to sleep again, only to have it repeat.  It happened like 7 times in a row.  One of the times I let it go on for a bit, to see how long the spinning and wind would go for.  I was curious, and tried to see where it would lead.   Was I finally consciously witnessing an abduction?  Was I finally going to see something that that I might be able to remember later??   But then........I heard something funny, not sure WHAT I was hearing, some kind of audio, some sort of presense, voice, noise, something, I can't describe it, there's no way to explain what this noise was.  I'd never heard something like this before, whatever it was, and I became immediately alarmed and panicked when I heard it, and yelled out "NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!!!!" over and over.   It didn't sound like a distinctive human voice.   It didn't sound like anything I've ever heard.   And I know that the second I heard it, I panicked.   That's when I sat up in bed and scrapped the idea of trying to have a nap.    When I sat up I realized my whole body was tingling, like electricity, but I felt it mostly concentrated in my arms, this burning tingly energy feel.    Within an hour afterwards I noticed this mark on my left arm.   

http://64.177.61.22/astralmark2.jpg
During this time period in 2003 I had a lot of weird stuff happening like this.   I began to have problems "staying in my body" whenever I'd lay down to rest, probably as a result of being yanked out of my body so often to such an extent that there was now a "loose fit.".   If I was laying on my back, the second I'd start to nod off, I'd feel myself slip up out of my body and be hovering just above it.  So I'd have to keep turning onto my side, curled up in the fetal position, just to stay in my own body and not drift out.  I'd also find myself periodically waking in the middle of the night completely disoriented, not knowing where I was or even WHO I was.   It would take a few seconds to become oriented again.   This is not something I'd ever experienced before, even when traveling and sleeping in strange places.   Waking up with no recollection of who I am and a feeling of disorientation was not the norm for me.   I later learned that this is a symptom of one's "assemblage point" being knocked out of whack.  Probably as a result of too many etheric abductions.   

Eventually it all seemed to subside.   No longer get the purple circles, or have the spining wind sensations, or wake up disoriented, or have problems "staying in my body" when in a relaxed state.   Hope it stays this way.

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Auendove--

Just to clarify, I was only referring to hallucinations in the context of sleep paralysis, as in hypnopompic visions. I don't think hallucinations are a characteristic of abductions otherwise, although I suppose cover memories may be applied to the abductee to hide the event from their consciousness. I was stating however that during the particular occurance I described, the hallucinations felt 'real.'

Auendove wrote:

can you imagine the bopping in the nose you'd be giving them if you weren't paralyzed?

Well like Montalk said the etheric body is still 'in operation' during sleep paralysis and only the physical body is paralyzed. So I really was fighting these guys off (there were 2 of them in my field of vision) with my etheric arms. After about 10 seconds of struggle I woke up fully, very disoriented, and feeling as though I had just come from another realm. Abduction attempt? All signs point to yes!

As for paranoia, I am probably one of the least paranoid people you'll ever talk to. Since paranoia is a form of fear, I try never to give into it. I never worry if I'm abducted or not, because aside from knowledge and awareness, there's nothing I can do about it. So 99% of the time it never even crosses my mind. All I can do is become aware of any programming 4D forces are doing to me and try to undo it. I also don't worry about Matrix 'agents.' I've never witnessed anyone following me or staring at me for strange reasons, but if they ever want to, they can do it for however long they feel like! That may sound strange, but if it doesn't limit my free will, then I don't really care who's doing what.

Anyway, back on topic. I can also sometimes 'feel' when my dreams may be a cover for an abduction. I have noticed some dreams in particular where the dreams themselves are very vivid and my body (in the dream) feels very sluggish and heavy. I have considered that these may be the effects of being in a 4D realm, while being kept in the dream state as the goons are tinkering with me. These types of dreams are very distinct and are very uncomfortable experiences. It just feels 'icky,' which makes me think these may be covers for soul abductions. I haven't found any method to avoiding these yet, but they've only happened 2 or 3 times so far.

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Seeker!  We just posted our posts at the same exact time!  big_smile

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Haha I know... well not exactly the same time but close. Freaky.

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Get a load of this--


Alien abduction claims explained

Sleep paralysis, false memories involved

By William J. Cromie
Harvard News Office


Many of the people who believe they have been abducted by aliens are bombarding Susan Clancy with hate e-mails and phone calls. The Harvard researcher, who has spent five years listening to the stories of some 50 abductees, has described her (and their) experiences in a new book to be published in October.

Clancy, 36, likes most of these people. "They are definitely not crazy," she says. But they do have "a tendency to fantasize and to hold unusual beliefs and ideas. They believe not only in alien abductions, but also in things like UFOs, ESP, astrology, tarot, channeling, auras, and crystal therapy. They also have in common a rash of disturbing experiences for which they are seeking an explanation. For them, alien abduction is the best fit."

As you might guess, the people behind all that hate mail and the phone calls don't buy that. They were there, she wasn't, they insist.

In her book, "Abducted: How People Come to Believe They Were Kidnapped by Aliens," to be published by the Harvard University Press, Clancy describes a typical reaction. "Can you believe the nerve of that girl (Clancy)," one abductee says. "She comes to me, like, 'Oh, I believe you've been abducted! Let me interview you to learn more.... Oh, what really happened [she says] is sleep paralysis.' Riiight! How the - - does she know? Did it happen to her? There was something in the room that night! I was spinning. I blacked out ... it was terrifying.... I wasn't sleeping. I was taken. I was violated, ripped apart - literally, figuratively, metaphorically, whatever you want to call it. Does she know what that's like?"


Paralyzing dreams

Abduction stories are strikingly similar. Victims wake up and find themselves paralyzed, unable to move or cry out for help. They see flashing lights and hear buzzing sounds. Electric sensations zing through their bodies, which may rise up in levitation. Aliens with wrap-around eyes, gray or green skin, lacking hair or noses, approach. The abductee's heart pounds violently. There's lots of probing in the alien ship. Instruments are inserted in their noses, navels, or other orifices. It's painful. Sometimes sexual intercourse occurs.

Then it's over, after seconds or minutes. The intruders vanish. Victims are back in their own beds and can move again.

Clancy, Richard McNally, a professor of psychology at Harvard, and other researchers tie such horrifying happenings to sleep paralysis, a condition where the usual separation between sleep and wakefulness gets out of synchronization.

When you dream, you are paralyzed. It's a natural adaptation to prevent people from lashing out, jumping out of bed, walking into doors or windows, and otherwise injuring themselves. But it's possible to wake up while still paralyzed.

"We can find ourselves hallucinating sights, sounds, and bodily sensations," Clancy says. "They seem real but they're actually the product of our imagination." One researcher describes it as "dreaming with your eyes wide open."

Bizarre effects aside, sleep paralysis is as normal as hiccups. It's not a sign of mental illness. About 25 percent of people around the world have experienced it, and about 5 percent get the whole show of sight, sound, tactile hallucinations, and abduction.

Some of these people become completely absorbed by what happened and seek an explanation of it. That can lead them into a grab bag of different techniques well known to those with a rich fantasy life and a distaste for scientific explanations.

Such techniques include hypnosis, guided imagery, regression, and relaxation therapies. "These all work in roughly the same way," Clancy comments. "The therapist lulls the abductee into a suggestive state, in which normal reality constraints are relaxed, and then asks the person to vividly image things that might have happened." Or might not have happened.

Hypnosis, she says, "is a bad way to refresh your memories. Not only that, it renders you susceptible to creating memories of things that never happened, things that were suggested to you or that you just imagined. If you (or your therapist) have pre-existing beliefs or expectations, you're liable to recall experiences that fit with these beliefs, rather than events that actually happened."


False memories

Clancy knows all about false memories; they got her into studying abductees in the first place. When she arrived at Harvard to work on a Ph.D. in 1996, she was fascinated by the political, legal, and social impacts of people who suddenly recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse. Using standard laboratory tests, she found that women who reported recovering such memories were more likely to remember things that never happened than women who always remembered such abuse.

That result, however, does not prove whether or not the woman with recovered memories had actually been sexually abused. Clancy then got the idea that she could get a better scientific grip on false memories by studying people who recovered memories of events that could not, in her mind, have possibly happened, i.e., being abducted by aliens.

"Boy, was I naïve," she says in retrospect. "You can't disprove alien abductions. All you can do is show that evidence is insufficient to justify the belief, and try to understand why people have those beliefs."

On the way to doing this, she, McNally, and their colleagues made some tantalizing discoveries. Measurements of sweating, heart rate, and brain waves showed that those claiming to be abductees show the same symptoms of post-traumatic stress syndrome as combat veterans. The researchers did not, however, conclude that the abductees had experienced combat-type trauma. Rather, they believe, it is the emotional significance of a memory, whether it is true or not, that causes sweaty hands and rapid heartbeats.

Earlier this year, Clancy and McNally reported on another study that found those who recalled childhood sexual abuse or abduction by aliens experience higher rates of sleep paralysis than those who do not make such claims. Strikingly, the first group also scored high on underlying traits of fantasy proneness, paranormal interests and experiences, and inability to relate socially to others.

Add to this mixture a recurring interest in aliens expressed in books, in movies, and on television, as well as true discoveries of more than 150 planets orbiting other stars in our galaxy. Overwhelmed by this hurricane of sleep paralysis, false memories, and fantasy, some people seek explanations and succor in ghosts, reincarnations, and multiple personalities. Others find that alien abductions provide answers and peace of mind, says Clancy.

"It probably doesn't matter much to the abductees whether they are right or wrong," she comments. "They simply feel better because of what they believe."

Clancy is finished with space abduction studies. She now works in Central America, teaching, continuing research on trauma and memories, and writing a book on recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse. You can bet that book will bring another high wave of hate mail.

"They simply feel better because of what they believe"... ????  Reeeeally? roll

This researcher should've spoken to more than 50 abductees... thinking/knowing I've been abducted has NEVER made me feel better about anything.

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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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10 (edited by lyra 2005-10-26 14:14:23)

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Personally, I don't think people should waste their time writing her hate mails and getting all riled up and offended.   If someone knows 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are being abducted, (whether it be by aliens, military, or whatever) then they don't have to defend anything.   Because that's what it really boils down to when you pick it apart....these people are getting all upset because they feel defensive about their predicament.   This woman puts out a book saying "Your abductions are just natural sleep paralysis, false memories, or real sexual abuse transposed onto 'aliens'..."  and the abductees can't handle someone saying that.   They want support and validation.  They have a position to defend.   This woman contradicting alien abductions in general as a whole gets taken as a individual personal attack by the abductees who feel they personally are being dismissed.   "I know this is real!!  How dare you say otherwise!  (waaa!)  I'm not a liar!  I'm not crazy!   I'm not seeking attention!!"   I can understand that, we all do that in regards to some subject that pushes our personal buttons or riles up our ego.   

But if you know you're an abductee, and are up to your ears in personal proof, then it doesn't matter what anybody else believes or thinks they "know."  Especially a total stranger.   Know your own truth and be secure in that.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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11 (edited by Haven 2005-10-26 16:42:06)

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I think abductions occur on an etheric level.  I've certainly had my own experiences, but nothing I can 100% say that aliens are involved.  I think it may be a step into the spirit world.  I have come to associate sleep paralysis with stepping into the borders of this realm.  A couple other things that lead me to this conclusion is that I know that, when drifting off to sleep, strange thought processes start making sense to me, and during this type of thinking, I've seen a horse head and a snake, both seemingly very real, manifesting in reality before me, but I knew they were not real because I shook myself awake and checked to make for certain.  What we're experiencing has to deal with spiritual realities, I think.

Not to mention the belief that our minds can influence reality, manifesting marks, objects, or probes, etc.  Has this been delved into?

"They simply feel better because of what they believe"... ????  Reeeeally?

This researcher should've spoken to more than 50 abductees... thinking/knowing I've been abducted has NEVER made me feel better about anything.

Auendove, I can sort of see where this woman's thinking is coming from.  I don't know if everyone that has abductions is fantasy prone, but, whenever I see the abductions being claimed by somebody that is more dramatic than is common, I realize that artistic license has probably been taken with the truth.  Also, the feeling that you belong to a very select group, or having something real to explain bad feelings or experiences, even if it is undesirably, is comforting, in a way.  In this way, we solidify our problems, even if it's mere projection, and are more able to work with these feelings, or at least have a point of reference.  The thing is, people start latching onto the outward realities and neglect the inner realities.  It becomes a distraction to what is important.  (Maybe aliens, or your fears or whatever, do this sort of thing to distract you from a truth you are approaching?)

I thought I should clarify about the whole abduction being positive angle.  By select few, I mean that there is a feeling of being special, in some regard.  These people that have been abducted know a truth that is secret and not widely known.  They have been selected by these demi-god like beings for some purpose.  These beings are proof of another life, a different realm, that most can't or don't perceive.  They have a seperation from other people, a feeling of difference.  The abductions are proof why they are different.  There isn't really any shame associated with abductions, either, that I know of, other than most people don't understand and would consider you a kook.  Contrast with sexual abuse, where it's not something to excitedly talk about with other people who have been abused, to a group of people that have been abducted.  You don't really want to talk about abuse in the same way as one wants to talk about abductions.  If your uncle was abducting you and doing all these things that the aliens are doing to you, you wouldn't be talking about it near as much.

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Received this email from my mom today. She's not fantasy prone, nor is her dog Perry.

Hey, I had a very strenge phenominal experience last night (early this morning).

At 3 am Perry suddenly jumped out of my bed and was very unsettled. He rushed to the hallway between bed rooms and woke me up. He did not bark but it seems like he saw something outside the bedroom. I sat up on my bed and asked him what is it. For a few minutes 2-3(?) he came rushing to my bed and was so scared that he went straight under the covers and stayed there. I sat on the bed looking around with my eyes and saw nothing, so i went back to sleep. At that time it was 3.05 am or so. I felt sort of restless, then I had this weird dream..........I dreamt about this young man, good looking young man, wearing black suit and white shirt, but he felt like Satan and was seducing me into moving in to this house with the kids. The room was sort of small and the eviroment was very uncomfortable and creepy. He then locked us in the room and we sensed that he was going to torture us or kill us, we were panicking and we were trying to find a way to escape but we can't, there was no way out. Then i was in this bathroom, small, and there was this lady who inserted a needle in my mouth like trying to pry my mouth open. It did not hurt. I just don't understand what is going on. Then i felt something choking me and my throat was filled with mucus. I was gagging and making noises and choking, I can hear myself snoring or some sort, loud!! Then I woke up and the time was 3.55am i was puzzled because it seems like I was missing time. I then had a terrible headache and my whole body was feeling so restless and my lower back was very painful. Prior to that dream I was ok. So I tossed and turn and went back to sleep with a terrible headache, backache and mucus-throat that I tried to clear by coughing, but nothing.

This morning, I sat on the kitchen table and asked S___ to give me a little massge because my neck and upper back was hurting. I thought it must be stress tension, so I pulled my hair up and S___ asked "what happen to your neck mommy?"... I said "what happened?", she said "you got this big red mark on your center upper neck by the hair line." I was shocked. Then A___ and  M___ looked at it and they were shocked. It was a size like a quater in the center of my upper neck and some small red mark size like penny around it. Around the quarter size red mark you can see some hair was removed, it was like a bald white spot surrounding the red mark, looks like a hickie. I then realised that maybe something did happened last night at 3 am.

I am still feeling uncomfortable, my neck and my lower back and my head is hurting. A strange kind of headache. But my lower back hurts bad and I have not had a neckache for a very long time.

Who knows... sounds like a possible abduction to me - part etheric, part physical, with either a screen memory or dream-memory of the actual event.

Last night was kinda strange for me as well...the cat was going bonkers, and when I went out onto the patio at 3AM to take the garbage out, I saw something quickly dash away into the woods, making a rustling sound identical to that creature I once encountered in Florida who pressed itself up against my front door. From what little I saw last night, it was too large to be a rodent, yet sounded too light and quickfooted to be a deer. It didn't have the vibes of an animal, which creeped me out...I ran back inside to grab the spotlight to shine into the woods, but saw and heard nothing.

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Sorry to hear about your mom's suffering montalk.  It is great she can share her experience with you . . . and you understand. 

NR has opened the dimensions of communication between so many souls.

The Archangel Michael can offer protection.  Sending a prayer for your mom's pain.

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Montalk,

I saw a strange fast moving light on the horizon late last night, probably around 1AM.  I do not think it was a shooting star as they usually burn out quickly, this one seemed to move at a extremely high but constant rate of speed and was visible to me for maybe 5-7 seconds.    Also, I received an e-mail today from another member of this forum who lives somewhat close to me, and this individual reported also having had a "sighting" last night.  I'm not yet sure of the details on that one.

I just started re-reading Turner's "Taken" and one of the first case studies involved an abductee female who had experienced an E.T. "pulling" which caused serious back problems.  I forget if it was the same case, but the 3:00AM - 3:30 AM window was also mentioned early on in the book.  It does sound like your mom may have had some sort of abduction.  I'm sorry for her suffering; thankfully she's fortunate enough to have some knowledgable people to talk to about it.

What was the creature you once saw in Florida?  A business client of mine grew up in the Pensacola / Gulf Breeze area and once saw what he is dead certain was a miniature Tyrannasaurus Rex dinosaur in the back yard of his childhood home.

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Ron and morningsun, Thanks for the thoughts, I will relay them to my mom. She will be okay, we talk and anything strange or potentially manipulative happening in her life gets discussed. Back in the early 80s she would wake up with large dark purple bruises on her thighs with puncture marks in the middle. I also recall occasions when a dark brown liquid would leak from her navel, which I read about in David Jacobs' book "Secret Life".

The creature I saw in Florida was a four foot tall pink creature that peered in through the frosted glass slats of my front door. I saw it pressed against the glass, a face at doorknob height and a hand, both pinkish in color but indistinct due to the frosting. This happened at 4:45 AM while I was wide awake. Heard it dashing about the private courtyard in front, rustling like leaves in the wind, the sound coming closer. It looked in for maybe 30 seconds until I commanded it to take a hike. It was pitch dark out there, and no chance of it being someone screwing around. My distinct impression is that it was a gray, a very creepy 'wrong' vibe, but it was pink not gray in color. Just recently I learned that Credo Mutwa says that grays are known as "pinky pinky" by his people because beneath their suits/masks they are pink in color. Haha, nothing like a nude gray running around outside.

The 3:00-3:30AM window sounds right for your standard abductions to begin, returns by 4:30-5:30. I am usually still up by then. This probably changes by an hour with daylights savings being on or off.

I also noticed for the past year or two that for us at least, neg/alien phenomena tend to happen a day or two prior to a new moon. Perhaps if the new moon increases portal activity or thins the veils, it would also increase UFO sightings...will have to check what research has been done on moon phases and UFO sightings, might relate to what you saw, morningsun.

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